🇧🇷 Oscar

[Korea 734]

Exhibit A

Oscar can never please him...

Its a lose lose situation.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Define "good". He is absolutely average! He hasn't had a world-class performance or something near since that second half vs Croatia.

What is good for you? Messi esque?

Oscar does the most work among any other #10 in the world, count that into his performance. While James and others have free role, Oscar has important role in defence. So far, 3 games, 2 assists and goal. Averages over 5 tackles per game, 3 dribbles, but yet no one seems to notice that.

Thats average? Wtf? People expect from Chelsea players to score 5 goals every game or they are not good enough, while having knee jerk reactions on James, Origi,...its funny, what you dont have is always more appealing right?

And please, he was poor in second half of season, but he was very good in world cup so far.

And he is our player, at least support him. I guess once season starts and Oscar puts fine performances, you will among few others jumping on his bandwagon and praise him, telling everyone you always knew he was great. Hilarious!

[haranr 485]

What is good for you? Messi esque?

Oscar does the most work among any other #10 in the world, count that into his performance. While James and others have free role, Oscar has important role in defence. So far, 3 games, 2 assists and goal. Averages over 5 tackles per game, 3 dribbles, but yet no one seems to notice that.

Thats average? Wtf? People expect from Chelsea players to score 5 goals every game or they are not good enough, while having knee jerk reactions on James, Origi,...its funny, what you dont have is always more appealing right?

And please, he was poor in second half of season, but he was very good in world cup so far.

And he is our player, at least support him. I guess once season starts and Oscar puts fine performances, you will among few others jumping on his bandwagon and praise him, telling everyone you always knew he was great. Hilarious!

FUCK DEFENSE! HE IS NOT NEARR A WORLD-CLASS LEVEL PEROFRMANCE. HE IS OVERRATED! SELL!

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

FUCK DEFENSE! HE IS NOT NEARR A WORLD-CLASS LEVEL PEROFRMANCE. HE IS OVERRATED! SELL!

Just ban this fucking idiot.

[haranr 485]

Just ban this fucking idiot.

HAHA

DU AR.

[lionsden 4,689]

Exhibit A

Oscar can never please him...

Its a lose lose situation.

I ask again what talent? Your definition of talent must be different from mine.

I suppose talent has levels as some will argue anyone that makes it as a professional footballer is talented. even Heskey is talented based on that criteria.

My own definition however is having high aptitude or skill that is above average ability (average in this case refers to the average footballer) and be able to do those things at a proficient level be it passing, shooting,control,set pieces,heading,vision,dribbling etc. I can't apologise for having high standard

[Barbara 15,149]

Just ban this fucking idiot.

He seems to have free reign to spout shit everywhere he wants...

He worships Hazard - the only Chelsea good player in his eyes - and then spouts shit about nearly everyone else according to his mood. And then he calls himself a supporter... I don't know what's his notion of the word support as he's predicting Oscar to flop harder because Luiz isn't here anymore. Brilliant example of support, don't you think?

We shouldn't ban people only for being disrespectful towards others... lack of common sense should also be a motive. He's annoying, writes some of the most stupid comments in this forum and seems to fill bushman shoes just fine. No one should have to read such poor posts so often from the same person.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

FUCK DEFENSE! HE IS NOT NEARR A WORLD-CLASS LEVEL PEROFRMANCE. HE IS OVERRATED! SELL!

[Daniel1980 1,425]

FUCK DEFENSE! HE IS NOT NEARR A WORLD-CLASS LEVEL PEROFRMANCE. HE IS OVERRATED! SELL!

He may not be a WC player (at least not yet), but he's a good player nonetheless. I like that he's quite versatile and can be used on many positions. Not every player has to be world-class to be useful. His work rate is good. There are much worse players in the team that I would like to see gone before Oscar.

And defense is important. Though of course it isn't the most desired attribute of #10.

[iseah100 5,612]

We've seen flashes of what Oscar can do. I think he's more of a number 8 than 10 though. He's extremely versatile can play on the wings too. We should keep him another year to see if he is more consistent. If we get a crazy offer like we did for Luiz in January, depending on how he performed and who is available we could sell. Until then, patience people, patience.

[lionsden 4,689]

He may not be a WC player (at least not yet), but he's a good player nonetheless. I like that he's quite versatile and can be used on many positions. Not every player has to be world-class to be useful. His work rate is good. There are much worse players in the team that I would like to see gone before Oscar.

And defense is important. Though of course it isn't the most desired attribute of #10.

Does he play at a proficiently high level in any of those positions though. technically any player can be versatile as long as their performance level isn't the criteria used to judge their versatility.

[iseah100 5,612]

Does he play at a proficiently high level in any of those positions though. technically any player can be versatile as long as their performance level isn't the criteria used to judge their versatility.

Jack of all trades, master of none.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Does he play at a proficiently high level in any of those positions though. technically any player can be versatile as long as their performance level isn't the criteria used to judge their versatility.

True. But he's good enough. Not great, but certainly not terrible. You're right that ideally, Oscar should be great at something to stand out. Perhaps someday he will be. It's true that he doesn't have attributes of a traditional #10, but it doesn't mean he must be sold as soon as possible. Though maybe he will be sold. We don't really know Jose's plans. It's widely assumed that Fabregas was bought to be #8, but it may not be true. Perhaps Jose wants to bench Oscar/play him on the wing/play him as a CM/or sell him. Until the end of the transfer window, we can only speculate.

Until then, Oscar is still a Chelsea player and by far not the worst one.

[didierforever 7,349]

Simply not true. Oscar was average in the last 2 matches....

Wow. I write why I think he was good. And the reply is "not true. He was bad."

Ok dude.

[nono 791]

In most of our supporters mind a player is either World Class or useless. There is no middle ground. Some of it is frustration from wanting a player to reach levels that are not within their capability. Oscar is not world class, he is still a very good player though and is only 22 ! He has a lot of time to improve.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Jack of all trades, master of none.

But in all honesty, there is nothing wrong with having versatile players. I thought it used to be a bonus for any team?

[robsblubot 3,595]

Jose values the defensive play of his attacking mids like no other head coach.

After all he was the one who chose to sell his most creative CAM, Mata, to keep his hard working CAM, Oscar.

Oscar is going nowhere as long as he is committed to what Jose wants.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

But in all honesty, there is nothing wrong with having versatile players. I thought it used to be a bonus for any team?

Well Kalou could play left/right and ST, doesn't stop him from being bad though and for a CAM-the main creative force in a team like our that is not enough.

Jose values the defensive play of his attacking mids like no other head coach.

After all he was the one who chose to sell his most creative CAM, Mata, to keep his hard working CAM, Oscar.

Oscar is going nowhere as long as he is committed to what Jose wants.

Your last sentence summed it up. No one is doubting Oscar or his ability but rather the fact that can he keeps up with Jose's demands? Being burnout for nearly 5 months despite being only 22 is not a good sign. If he produces another season like that Jose won't have that no matter how good or potentially good he could be.

[Special Juan 28,141]

If people have a problem with a poster then contact a member of the team and do not abuse that said person. Keep the topic on track and let a member of the team deal with it.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Well Kalou could play left/right and ST, doesn't stop him from being bad though and for a CAM-the main creative force in a team like our that is not enough.

Your last sentence summed it up. No one is doubting Oscar or his ability but rather the fact that can he keeps up with Jose's demands? Being burnout for nearly 5 months despite being only 22 is not a good sign. If he produces another season like that Jose won't have that no matter how good or potentially good he could be.

There are 3 aspects to take into consideration:

1) He was burned out because of lack of any vacation in a while which may have led to;

2) nagging injuries which clearly prevented him from doing the things he did before

3) CBF

The first two are self-explanatory, but the 3rd one is controversial; some will diss him for that (lack of commitment to Chelsea), but CBF plays hard ball normally, and I reckon they might have gone overboard considering the home soil and Brazil social situation: "give the people its circus." A minor slight from Ramires kept him away from the team for months and almost cost him his WC spot. I just noticed that it happen to most if not all Brazil players.

4) he's 22... Jose words: only "ready players" don't need to improve; the 29-year-old who get in the starting XI and play as if they've been there forever.

Both Oscar and Hazard need to improve, in different ways, but they both do. We either show some patience with our own wonderkids, or we are never going to have truly great players on the squad. Good luck buying Messi...