🇧🇷 Oscar

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

World class players nowdays cost 40mio+

Just to mention, Ozil cost 10 or 15mio and look how fantastic player he turned to be. He was not world class and yet after two years he is. He came to Real nothing else but very fine prospect and Mou gave him chance in first team. I think getting Oscar for 25 is something similar, yes we will pay more for him, but no top prospect would cost less (Hazard, Neymar, Lucas, Muniain, Gotze,...). If we play him enough with possibly RW regular place, he has all potential to turn like Ozil. And all that in our club. We were buying world class players in Torres, Sheva,...no one gave us what Lamps or Drogba gave. Talent and lots of chances is enough to player like Oscar becomes class.

Ozil was not nothing. He was a terrific player in Germany when Real Madrid bought him. Not only that, but he had a fantastic performance at the World Cup. He was the opposite of a prospect type of player. And even then, Real Madrid spent much less on him than we spent on Oscar.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

Oscar's a risk though, for that price. Okay he might not have the big glamours name that Neymar, Lucas & co have but that will probably work to his advantage. He'll still have to justify that price-tag but the pressure will be less. The only problem I see is that the rotation of Hazard, Mata, Marin & Oscar might have a negative effect instead of the desired one (to keep everyone fresh). All those players, bar Marin, prefer to play central behind the striker but they'll have to rotate among wings.

At least we know that Oscar only has the one position, so it's highly unlikely that RdM will use him out-wide. But that could cause problems for Hazard especially.

From all the videos I seen for him, it shows he could adapt a deep lying playmaker role.

Of course videos should not be the best barometer to judge, but giving that he is 20, I say he has the potential to play that role.

But I think they are looking for players that can interchange, like Barcelona and Spain do frequently.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

From all the videos I seen for him, it shows he could adapt a deep lying playmaker role.

Of course videos should not be the best barometer to judge, but giving that he is 20, I say he has the potential to play that role.

But I think they are looking for players that can interchange, like Barcelona and Spain do frequently.

Hmm, perhaps. But from the light reading I've done on him (and it has been very light) it seems his main position is AM, or in the attacking playmaker role. We don't want to have another case of Mikel where we repress that attacking talent to the extent we did with Mikel.

The Nigerian is an exception though because he's actually turned into a very good DM and it's different because Oscar could still keep that attacking instinct. But I think the inexperience will show a lot in the conversion and that might hinder his progression? I was reading a good editorial on Ganso's decline on ESPN and he suffered the same faults:

In a role that very few players master, his inexperience was glaring and his confidence in tatters. By September, injury struck again and Ganso arrived at the Club World Cup in Japan short of fitness once more. Santos may have cruised past Kashiwa Reysol, but Barcelona would not be so kind. The final was a savage lesson to the Brazilian side, Neymar included, but it was Ganso who found his faults laid bare for all to see by the relentless pressure of the Blaugrana defence.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature/_/id/1123701/sao-paulo's-ganso-the-fallen-star?cc=5739

In fairness though, Ganso's had major injuries to cause such faults, but the inexperience to play in those roles would be an issue.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Oscar's a risk though, for that price. Okay he might not have the big glamours name that Neymar, Lucas & co have but that will probably work to his advantage. He'll still have to justify that price-tag but the pressure will be less. The only problem I see is that the rotation of Hazard, Mata, Marin & Oscar might have a negative effect instead of the desired one (to keep everyone fresh). All those players, bar Marin, prefer to play central behind the striker but they'll have to rotate among wings.

At least we know that Oscar only has the one position, so it's highly unlikely that RdM will use him out-wide. But that could cause problems for Hazard especially.

It's a risk for sure, but a risk worth taking!

So excited over this kid. Possibilities are endless. Mata, Hazard and Oscar all interchanging in the "3" of the 4-2-3-1, or maybe developing as our deep-lying playmaker.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It's a risk for sure, but a risk worth taking!

So excited over this kid. Possibilities are endless. Mata, Hazard and Oscar all interchanging in the "3" of the 4-2-3-1, or maybe developing as our deep-lying playmaker.

Definitely agree with that KV. The interchanging will be a tactic that will confuse a lot of opposition, especially against the bottom sides. It's a matter of if they all gel though, that will be key. Di Matteo's personal nature will play a big part in that though.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

It's a risk for sure, but a risk worth taking!

So excited over this kid. Possibilities are endless. Mata, Hazard and Oscar all interchanging in the "3" of the 4-2-3-1, or maybe developing as our deep-lying playmaker.

Pretty much this.

Close the book on that and don't discuss more on where he would fit!

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

here we gooooo this is espn, they are right about 97% of the time

Chelsea agree fee for Oscar

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1123838/chelsea-agree-fee-for-internacional's-oscar?cc=5901

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Who? Barcelona aside, what other team has a world class forward line for considerably less money?

First of all, the problem is that we spent 125M and it isn't a world-class forward line.

Still, here goes...

Chelsea-Torres, Hazard, Oscar, Mata-120-125M

Bayern- Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mueller-80-85M

City- Silva, Nasri, Milner, Aguero-110M

ManU- Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia-90M

Juventus-Vidal, Pirlo, Marchisio, Pepe, Vucinic, Matri-40-45M (I made it the front 6)

Real Madrid-Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria, Benzema-130-135M

[FormerRussianSpy 163]

Bayern- Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mueller-80-85M - they won nothing last year

ManU- Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia-90M - won nothing last year

City survived a massive choke with pure luck and Juve (for all we know) could have cheated their win

Chelsea-Torres, Kalou, Mata, Ramires 95-100M - won the FA cup and CL

First point, why the fuck does anyone care how much it costs? It's Roman's wallet, not ours.

Second, how do you quantify a forward line as "world-class"? That's simply a subjective interpretation. How could you be unhappy with a surplus of creative players. Sure, we don't have to play all 4 (Torres, Mata, Hazard, Oscar) at once -- I doubt RDM would do that anyway -- but that doesn't mean that if they do, it will be a front-line that pales in comparison to the overrated and underachieving sides like last year's United and Barca.

Football matches are won on the pitch, not on paper mate.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Torres costs us a lot , in everything.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

First of all, the problem is that we spent 125M and it isn't a world-class forward line.

Still, here goes...

Chelsea-Torres, Hazard, Oscar, Mata-120-125M

Bayern- Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mueller-80-85M

City- Silva, Nasri, Milner, Aguero-110M

ManU- Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia-90M

Juventus-Vidal, Pirlo, Marchisio, Pepe, Vucinic, Matri-40-45M (I made it the front 6)

Real Madrid-Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria, Benzema-130-135M

They don't even have the chance to play together yet and you already reckon they are not world-class?

and why you put Milner there instead of Balotelli or Dzeko or Tevez?

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Oscar's a risk though, for that price. Okay he might not have the big glamours name that Neymar, Lucas & co have but that will probably work to his advantage. He'll still have to justify that price-tag but the pressure will be less. The only problem I see is that the rotation of Hazard, Mata, Marin & Oscar might have a negative effect instead of the desired one (to keep everyone fresh). All those players, bar Marin, prefer to play central behind the striker but they'll have to rotate among wings.

At least we know that Oscar only has the one position, so it's highly unlikely that RdM will use him out-wide. But that could cause problems for Hazard especially.

Oscar isn't a #10, he might be able to play it, but I don't think his future is there. Even for Brazil he wore the #10 jersey but played nothing like a #10 but more like a centre-mid, which is where his future is so he wont be rotating with Mata & Hazard. And, Marin's best position is LW not in the hole. He also can play in the hole but it's not his best position either.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Oscar isn't a #10, he might be able to play it, but I don't think his future is there. Even for Brazil he wore the #10 jersey but played nothing like a #10 but more like a centre-mid, which is where his future is so he wont be rotating with Mata & Hazard. And, Marin's best position is LW not in the hole. He also can play in the hole but it's not his best position either.

Ah okay. Thanks for clarifying

[bababoom 4,478]

It's highly possible we could change him into a deep lying play maker, as i stated earlier lucas used to be a CAM, but now he's a DM. Anderson used to be a CAM, RW but now he's a CM.

I don't want to jump to conclusion because we haven't even signed him yet, but it's a possibility.

[Kojo 4,676]

Spurs are going uphill somehow...

[BlueSanti 290]

First of all, the problem is that we spent 125M and it isn't a world-class forward line.

Still, here goes...

Chelsea-Torres, Hazard, Oscar, Mata-120-125M

Bayern- Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mueller-80-85M

City- Silva, Nasri, Milner, Aguero-110M

ManU- Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia-90M

Juventus-Vidal, Pirlo, Marchisio, Pepe, Vucinic, Matri-40-45M (I made it the front 6)

Real Madrid-Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria, Benzema-130-135M

Only Real Madrid have a truly world-class forward line and only Bayern can competet with us. Gomez is just a proper forward, nothing extraordinary. Nasri is wanker that is useless when things are not going in good way, Milner is just a bullshit to be mentioned in world-class attack, not to mentioning that he wont ever play with Nasri together in longer time periods. Nani is overvalued and Kagawa hasn't yet proven anything in PL. Juventus player aren't really world-class, apart from Pirlo and Marchisio, they just really fit together.

And us? Well Torres is huge doubt I agree in that and we all know he has been huge flop, but that can and we should belive turn out. Mata allready proven he is extraordinary player, well he is beast, maybe best PL player next year. Hazard? OK he is unproven bud he was really asthonishing in Ligue 1 and is highly rated in the football world. Oscar unproven in Englang, though small players like Mata, Zola and Ramires were unproven and yet they are (were) world-class.

I would just be gratefull if you gave us some time. Youngest most competitive attack in the world that would be and yet you dare to say they do not and won't achieve world-class level.

Not to mention that Oscar's positioning in that attack of yours is just riddiculous.

[Sheva. 5,373]

First of all, the problem is that we spent 125M and it isn't a world-class forward line.

Still, here goes...

Chelsea-Torres, Hazard, Oscar, Mata-120-125M

Bayern- Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mueller-80-85M

City- Silva, Nasri, Milner, Aguero-110M

ManU- Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia-90M

Juventus-Vidal, Pirlo, Marchisio, Pepe, Vucinic, Matri-40-45M (I made it the front 6)

Real Madrid-Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria, Benzema-130-135M

For city, add Tevez, Dzeko and Balotelli. And you think Juve's front 6 is world class?!

And for us, we have 3 very young and talented players in there, players that will only keep improving.

[Shane 2,275]

First of all, the problem is that we spent 125M and it isn't a world-class forward line.

Still, here goes...

Chelsea-Torres, Hazard, Oscar, Mata-120-125M

Bayern- Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mueller-80-85M

City- Silva, Nasri, Milner, Aguero-110M

ManU- Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia-90M

Juventus-Vidal, Pirlo, Marchisio, Pepe, Vucinic, Matri-40-45M (I made it the front 6)

Real Madrid-Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria, Benzema-130-135M

Milner never plays on the wing for city. Also, 3 of the 4 you stated for us are under the age of 22, a huge plus.

[Henrique 9,133]

Spurs are going uphill somehow...

Who the fuck is Kojo?

[Spike 12,049]

Who the fuck is Kojo?

Sloth.