🇧🇷 Oscar

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

Lol, I remember saying that he's heading towards a Mikel sort of development and that he's stagnated probably around half a year ago and got slaughtered on here. Looks like I was right though.

Honest question to you Skipper (as one of the more experienced forum members), is he good enough to be our #10 or should the club cut its losses and sell him for a reasonable price?

[Special Juan 28,141]

What people need to realise about this lad was explained a few pages back by another member. Jack of all trades and master of none.

[King11Didier 916]

And when you think we kept this guy instead of Mata... Yeah, The Special one things. What a clown.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,076]

Honest question to you Skipper (as one of the more experienced forum members), is he good enough to be our #10 or should the club cut its losses and sell him for a reasonable price?

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[OhForAGreavsie 6,076]

Lol, I remember saying that he's heading towards a Mikel sort of development and that he's stagnated probably around half a year ago and got slaughtered on here. Looks like I was right though.

Hello Skipper,

Hope you are well.

To be fair you deserved some criticism for that assessment. Oscar did not stagnate, he maintained his trajectory. That is to say he was never good enough and was never going to be. When I said so almost three years ago I was offered the usual excuse; he's young, and an unusual one; he's tired. I could not accept either. If a player isn't talented enough then simply getting older is never going to cure that and the tiredness claim has been well and truly exposed for the myth it always was.

The big change concerning Oscar is nothing to do with him. It is that people are no longer ready to accept the excuses and are now judging him on what he does rather than on what they hope he'll do in the future. The player himself is the same as he ever was.

If you'll forgive a further, slightly critical observation; people often complain that a player hasn't developed because it allows then to blame him for the shortcomings rather than themselves for having overestimated him in the first place.

[Jase 43,479]

Oscar has become something like McEachran. I mean just look at his Twitter posts. Seems to be producing more off the pitch than on it!

[Peace. 4,352]

Oscar has become something like McEachran. I mean just look at his Twitter posts. Seems to be producing more off the pitch than on it!

I have kind of taken you to the word and have checked his social media pages. And I have come across this picture.

'Oscar, a man floating around like a boy'.

That's exactly what he is : a 25 years-old grown man floating around the pitch like an innocent boy floats in the park on a sunday afternoon while kicking the ball with his school friends. He is a young rich man who's living the 'dream'; living the cool life. He has no ambition, no will, no fire—a passenger that is. Oscar Passenger dos Santos Emboaba Jùnior.

P.S. on a side note that explains why he disappears in the second half of the season (and now in the first..). He is not enough passionate—he is just a naive rich kid that wants to kick the ball around. The professional football's constraints quickly wear him mentally which leads him to lose interest and eventually to disppear.

[didierforever 7,349]

Lol, I remember saying that he's heading towards a Mikel sort of development and that he's stagnated probably around half a year ago and got slaughtered on here. Looks like I was right though.

have been saying this about oscar (and cesc) for an year.

and no one has got more abuse than me regarding this 2 shit players.

but hardly a thing to be proud of. just sad that its turned out this way.

[Beepu 1,714]

Not sure what's more annoying. People who are proud of being right regarding Oscar or Oscar's actual stagnation. He showed so much promise and he did look like he was going to become special. But he's 24, stagnating and hardly improving.

I think he'd still be good as a squad player here especially if we can't attract quality players next summer. Otherwise I'd just cash in on him.

Really a sad development for Oscar, such a likeable fella too.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Lol, I remember saying that he's heading towards a Mikel sort of development and that he's stagnated probably around half a year ago and got slaughtered on here. Looks like I was right though.

Alright nobody likes a gloating bastard

[The Skipper 20,609]

Hello Skipper,

Hope you are well.

To be fair you deserved some criticism for that assessment. Oscar did not stagnate, he maintained his trajectory. That is to say he was never good enough and was never going to be. When I said so almost three years ago I was offered the usual excuse; he's young, and an unusual one; he's tired. I could not accept either. If a player isn't talented enough then simply getting older is never going to cure that and the tiredness claim has been well and truly exposed for the myth it always was.

The big change concerning Oscar is nothing to do with him. It is that people are no longer ready to accept the excuses and are now judging him on what he does rather than on what they hope he'll do in the future. The player himself is the same as he ever was.

If you'll forgive a further, slightly critical observation; people often complain that a player hasn't developed because it allows then to blame him for the shortcomings rather than themselves for having overestimated him in the first place.

Hi Jimmy, (I'm going to call you that because it's easier than spelling out your username if you don't mind?)

I'm doing good. Hope you are as well.

First and foremost, I actually almost fully agree with you. The main premise of my argument back then was also that Oscar has peaked already, and that the potential that people were seeing in him was an illusion. I also never thought that his tiredness was the issue either, in fact it was one of the many counter arguments that came up that I amongst others dispelled quickly (and I have never really bought into it as an excuse either before that).

I also agree that people decided to think of Oscar as the player Oscar could be in the future rather than judge him for what he really is, which is natural after the (somewhat false) promise he showed early but for me, early last season after his initial good form I quickly understood that this is Oscar, he'll never get much if any better at all. What frustrated me was exactly what you were saying - it became acceptable - his poor form - because people thought it was his youth, tiredness etc. that were behind his inconsistent performances.

When I came to the realisation of your point, that most of us miscalculated Oscar's potential - I became very critical of his performances because the Fake-Oscar-Potential-Tinted glasses came off. I've never said he's a bad player however. My argument was that he isn't good enough to be our main number 10. There'd be a place in the squad rotation for him possibly but any further than that? Not for me.

This went on until after the summer transfer window was open, and a lot of people were very certain that this would be his season but I knew already that we've seen the best in Oscar, so started campaigning for a new number 10 (campaign Isco), or the Oscar to Juve for Pogba deal I was also a very big advocate of. Still you'd get criticised for even suggesting the above.

My post earlier was tongue in cheek really, just a reminder to the people that were getting attacked personally for giving up on Oscar - even if you did so respectfully - that we were right.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Honest question to you Skipper (as one of the more experienced forum members), is he good enough to be our #10 or should the club cut its losses and sell him for a reasonable price?

I've honestly been one of the biggest campaigners over the summer, and the last year or so, that we should cash in on Oscar and get in a proper #10 or midfielder, that would add a consistent threat going forward with world class ability, or just improve our XI in general, because Oscar isn't and never will be world class. His market value is very high as well so we should definitely cash in and use that cash to get in a player up there on the cusp of world class or world class already, that obviously suits the team's needs.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Alright nobody likes a gloating bastard

have been saying this about oscar (and cesc) for an year.

and no one has got more abuse than me regarding this 2 shit players.

but hardly a thing to be proud of. just sad that its turned out this way.

Believe me, I'm not proud or happy about being right about it. As DF said, it is sad that it has turned out this way! Just a reminder to the people that abused people i.e. myself and DF about it.

[Spike 12,049]

Lol, I remember saying that he's heading towards a Mikel sort of development and that he's stagnated probably around half a year ago and got slaughtered on here. Looks like I was right though.

I wish you were wrong and I'm sure you do too. :blue scalf:

[stroey 2,525]

Trusted again by Mourinho, even in the most important game of his Chelsea career.

Come on Oscar, surprise us, have the game of your life please!

[didierforever 7,349]

i think iva shared those naked pics of jose with oscar. no other reason why he should be starting this one.

oh well, another HT sub coming through.

[stroey 2,525]

i think iva shared those naked pics of jose with oscar. no other reason why he should be starting this one.

oh well, another HT sub coming through.

Haha I always thought ''Oscar must be his secret son with another wife.''

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Had a good game but he's still missing that sharpness on the ball and taking that extra second to make his decisions. On the other hand, that move with Willian was probably the best piece of football we've played all season. Deserved to go in.

[Special Juan 28,141]

^

What Choulo said....We need more from him but he's still not the solution for me.

[Jase 43,479]

Wish he would stop fucking about whenever he's in the penalty area. Too many times he tries to backheel the ball, do his fancy tricks when he really should be decisive in creating chances and scoring goals. And speaking of scoring goals, he also really needs to go for power and placement (like Lampard) with his shots rather than focusing too much on technique. Could score lots of goals if he just stop trying to be so intricate and precise with everything.