🇧🇷 Oscar

[Oscar 441]

If the pogba transfer if true, Juventus will have a ton of money to reinvest in players.

So far, dybala and Manzudic are both good transfers in... It allows dybala to play off of manzudic and for morata to play supersub...

Both Pirlo and Tevez are gone, Pereyra was a loanee and Pogba might be sold.... Leaving 3 starting spots opened next season for juventus...

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Madness

Lucas Ornaghi, cousin of Chelsea midfielder Oscar was found dead earlier today, close to Santa Bárbara d' Oeste in the interior of Sāo Paulo state.

The 19-year-old had been reported missing to police yesterday afternoon after failing to arrive at work in the morning. Police say the cause of death may have been a motorcycle accident, but have not yet ruled out homicide. Today would have been Lucas’s 20th birthday.

On his official Facebook profile, Oscar lamented his loss: ‘The whole family cannot believe it. We are very sad, but we know that you are in a better place and we know that your loved ones are with you. I love you cousin and today was your day, congratulations on your 20 years!!’

[didierforever 7,349]

First of all, comparing JT with Oscar when it comes to minutes spent on the pitch is erroneous.

fair enough

Oscar has the second most demanding job on the pitch beside Matic. Oscar is the one who presses primarily, tracks back, and is part of the attack, be it counter or build-up. Meanwhile, JT is the most protected player on the pitch. He has Azpi tucked in beside him at all time to ensure that he is never isolated, he has Matic in front of him, and Courtois behind him, a keeper that covers an immense amount of ground. For more than 70% of those minuts, JT is just idling by, watching the game. While Oscar is busting his ass.

not even close. cesc does as much work. iva and azpi do as much work. willian is definitely the person who does the most defending and covering considering iva;s position. as i said, fair point about JT but oscar is a 21-24 year old during this period. JT was 31-34. that has to count for something too. and its not just about JT. in the last 2 years oscar has averaged way less minutes than both willian and hazard, and i am pretty sure matic, iva would too.

The only player to compare with Oscar in terms of output is Matic, but we all know Matic is a beast, a one of a kind DM with a massive engine, but even he, a monster, was drained and on dead legs as the season came to a close. What chance does Oscar have?

We play a system that demands so much of outfield players. There is a reason JT is still out there, and he himself admitted that it wouldn't be so if it weren't for the amount of work the midfielders put into the game.

sorry, but not buying it. willian does more work.

We need a viable backup to Oscar. Cesc and Willian are not it. Jose pretty much ran the team into the ground in trying to win the EPL as early as possible. Some players like Oscar fell first, then Cesc, and then lastly Matic. But they all fell. It's unsustainable the demands, and we need viable backups. Turan is one for Oscar, and I hope we get one for Matic and Cesc, someone that can partner either when the other is rested.

time and again willian has shown himself to be not just a good replacement but a better player than oscar. his form from jan-may is proof to that. he has been absolutely wonderful many times when played through the center.

[RhesusReus 219]

fair enough

not even close. cesc does as much work. iva and azpi do as much work. willian is definitely the person who does the most defending and covering considering iva;s position. as i said, fair point about JT but oscar is a 21-24 year old during this period. JT was 31-34. that has to count for something too. and its not just about JT. in the last 2 years oscar has averaged way less minutes than both willian and hazard, and i am pretty sure matic, iva would too.

sorry, but not buying it. willian does more work.

time and again willian has shown himself to be not just a good replacement but a better player than oscar. his form from jan-may is proof to that. he has been absolutely wonderful many times when played through the center.

First of all, Willian is not a better player than Oscar. Putting in a defensive shift and the odd goal doesn't make him better. If we are to compare them as #10's, which is the main point, Willian is far inferior. If you watched Sky Sports broadcasts you would have picked up on Gary Neville's analysis in game against Liescter and Crystal Palace about how Willian is ineffective inside, in tight areas, and is only really effective when he can make runs from deep midfield down the channels.

In this system, Oscar is the superior #10.

As for work rate. Willian puts in a shift, but it's not comparable to the pressing Oscar provides. Just watch the Arsenal game at home and you will see time and time again Oscar clearing the ball on the edge of our penalty box.

Running up and down, like Willian, is different from pressing in the center of the field, where you have to continuously change direction. Lateral movement and changing direction wears you down like no one's business.

[bluesman2610 1,417]

Damn that has gotta be tough on the lad, about his cousin , It seems that he and his cousin were close . Hopefully the results of the investigation can come quickly so his family can have closure

[didierforever 7,349]

First of all, Willian is not a better player than Oscar. Putting in a defensive shift and the odd goal doesn't make him better. If we are to compare them as #10's, which is the main point, Willian is far inferior. If you watched Sky Sports broadcasts you would have picked up on Gary Neville's analysis in game against Liescter and Crystal Palace about how Willian is ineffective inside, in tight areas, and is only really effective when he can make runs from deep midfield down the channels.

In this system, Oscar is the superior #10.

As for work rate. Willian puts in a shift, but it's not comparable to the pressing Oscar provides. Just watch the Arsenal game at home and you will see time and time again Oscar clearing the ball on the edge of our penalty box.

Running up and down, like Willian, is different from pressing in the center of the field, where you have to continuously change direction. Lateral movement and changing direction wears you down like no one's business.

i thought oscar's USP in our system was his "defensive workrate" not his goals. if his goals are his best point then they too are not that impressive to be honest.

you are talking about willian's ineffectiveness in tight areas when comparing to oscar? really?

i am sorry, but i simply cant believe oscar in the superior #10 after what i have seen for the past season.

arsenal home game was probably the best game of the season for oscar. in that case, go on and watch willian's workrate, speed, acceleration, countering attacking prowess when chelsea played city at etihad in 13-14 season. the job he did on yaya. he was simply brilliiant that night. but we are not talking about the best games here. in general, you see willian covering for iva. you see willian closing down opposing wingers/fullbacks while iva is standing far off with his hands behind his back.

fair enough. that is true. but dont know how much of it is only on oscar. oscar is not the only midfielder that presses. infact how many times have we seen willian making an insane sprint when the defenders pass the ball back to the opposing GK (it not only shows willian's pressing but also the fact that he is there there abouts in position with oscar, which makes your lateral movement point void).

people often bring up oscar "importance" to the system. how he provides "balance". it is so weird that some of our best and most balanced performances have been made with oscar not in the team (stoke away this season and city away last season). infact most of the attributes -pace, acceleration, dribbling, defensive workrate along with defensive prowess (kane goal for spurs and many more such moments), point to willian. oscar is miles ahead in terms of the final product and the finish, but for overall play willian is a better player.

[The Skipper 20,609]

As a number 10 Willian is superior/at least on par with Oscar on everything bar finishing/killer instinct in the final third IMO. That simple.

[Oscar 441]

As a number 10 Willian is superior/at least on par with Oscar on everything bar finishing/killer instinct in the final third IMO. That simple.

Willian is by far a better dribbler than Oscar.

Oscar has better goals in him than Willian.

WIllian has better physical than Oscar in almost everything; strength, speed, agility, etc

Oscar is tactically a better player as a n10 than willian.

However, Oscar presses a lot better than Willian, even though Willian is faster, has better stamina and stronger...

I think Willian is a lot better than what has been seen in a chelsea jersey, but I think at their best, Oscar is still better.

[Oscar 441]

I hope Jose keeps the 4 brazilians on the team. Without them, the team would be exposed so badly with their lack of speed/atleticism.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Since Oscar disscussion is in every other damn topic, this one should disscuss all the general talk about everything. It would make perfect TC sense.

[iseah100 5,612]

Madness

Lucas Ornaghi, cousin of Chelsea midfielder Oscar was found dead earlier today, close to Santa Bárbara d' Oeste in the interior of Sāo Paulo state.

The 19-year-old had been reported missing to police yesterday afternoon after failing to arrive at work in the morning. Police say the cause of death may have been a motorcycle accident, but have not yet ruled out homicide. Today would have been Lucas’s 20th birthday.

On his official Facebook profile, Oscar lamented his loss: ‘The whole family cannot believe it. We are very sad, but we know that you are in a better place and we know that your loved ones are with you. I love you cousin and today was your day, congratulations on your 20 years!!’

That is awful.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

As a number 10 Willian is superior/at least on par with Oscar on everything bar finishing/killer instinct in the final third IMO. That simple.

Technical ability on the ball is not even close. Oscar is one of the best in the league in that department. Oscar is also superior in footballing intelligence.

[Styles 9,790]

Technical ability on the ball is not even close. Oscar is one of the best in the league in that department. Oscar is also superior in footballing intelligence.

Oscar is capable of doing good or even great things with the ball occasionally but his normal output is the issue. He messes up so often that the things he's capable of doing do not compensate for his usual level in my opinion.

[Styles 9,790]

As a number 10 Willian is superior/at least on par with Oscar on everything bar finishing/killer instinct in the final third IMO. That simple.

Willian's basic level of technique is much higher in my opinion.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Oscar is capable of doing good or even great things with the ball occasionally but his normal output is the issue. He messes up so often that the things he's capable of doing do not compensate for his usual level in my opinion.

Judge him on the next season, now he's had a pre season, if he tails off again there will be no excuses.

[Special Juan 28,141]

He needs to have a season of epic proportions for me, and I don't think he has it in him. Not only that but if we do add someone like Sterling then the front 4 select themselves.

[yuvala 2,167]

Really hope he can surprise us all next season.

He's capable of very good things.

Don't really know what it is that makes him play so bad sometimes..

[kellzfresh 7,229]

When someone doesn't have much dribbling or speed in attack, they tend to have more vision like Mata, silva, KdB. Oscar needs to develop this part of his game. He doesn't give enough through passes or vertical passes to me, too many sideway passes that don't lead to chances created.

I was willing to give him time because midfielders tend to develop later in their careers, but hopefully it happens this season for him.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Selling him would be a tragic mistake, unless we get an extraordinary offer (50m+). People need to realize here we don't need to sell Oscar to be able to afford a top replacement. Even if Oscar is not going to start every game, the effect he has on the depth of our team + he is pretty talented to say the least makes it worth keeping him.

That being said, taking in the fact this is the first season he doesn't get worked like a dog prior to and actually has a proper pre-season, if he doesn't manage to perform well and consistently, he should be sold. However, I'm very optimistic he can really evolve this season and improve massively consistent wise.

Let's believe the pre-season will prevent Oscar to be completely drained out by the second half of the season and we will get to see him at top form consistently throughout the year. Like someone said few pages ago, watching Oscar on form is basically Football Porn.

[didierforever 7,349]

I also think you're missing the point.

Going on vacation and having 3-4 weeks totally outside of football, then coming for preseason frech physically and mentally have no price, you haven't experienced professionnal football so I can understand, neither did I, but this is quite basic, all of us have been thinking these for a few years now and when Mourinho suddenly comes in 2015 and suggests that, i guess we can assume that the theory is pretty solid.

Otherwise, if he had known it's a lost cause just as you think, he would've sold him to Juve and probably got something out of the deal since one of Pogba/Vidal looks bound to leaving, why would he persist with a guy who just won't have a full season at the highest level.

I remember in his first season with us, he had played the Olympic Games, he was the player with the most games played accross Europe by the end of the season 2012/2013, then he went to the Confed Cup playing as a regular, then he played a full season with us, then the world Cup came, then he played without rotations for months again.

Now excuse me, but I have seen no one accross Europe do that in the last 3-4 years, also, comparing Willian and Oscar is irrelevant, since the former looks to have a better stamina generally, wasn't a regular starter for Brazil and joined us in 2013, when Oscar had already accumulated a season with 80+ matchs for club and country ( that's fucking insane ! )

Oh and yeah, 1000 minutes more is something dude, that's more than 10 games.

It's like you're comparing a starter within a team that plays regular Champions League football and another that doesn't ( remember Liverpool 2014 ? )

It's pretty safe to suggest physical condition has a lot to do with that.

believe me. i am not missing the point. the point is physical exhaustion. but oscar has played less minutes for chelsea than hazard, willian matic, JT, iva, azpi.

if oscar has played confed in 2012, the european players have played the euros. if oscar played the WC, so did most of our other squad. the 1000 minutes extra we are talking about is over 3 seasons. not one. thats 3/4 games a season. and that 1000 minute stat is only for oscar, i am sure the other players too would have played 500-1000 minutes of football. the european players played the qualifiers while the brazilian team were playing useless friendlies, should that count for something.

this "oscar being physically exhausted" is just another poor excuse for oscar's poor performances. some one said that he did not play a pre-season last year (not entirely true) so his body was not well conditioned in jan (really?) and thus his poor show. did not willian have the exact same schedule as oscar?