Joker10 946 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Right now we are comparing Oscar with Hazard, COsta and Fabregas... well... Really? DO you think Oscar was better than Fabregas or Costa in the first half of the season? Are you trying to convince us or convince yourself? He was one more player, he was ok at best... when you were here saying how increadible he was... he was doing OK...I didn't say he was better Costa or Febregas, where did i say that?I really don't care what people on WAGH think. I've seen every game and for me he's a supporting player. He lacks the quality to actually carry this team as a key player."He was critical, as Matic, Cesc, Hazard, and Costa."No, no he really wasn't.I don't know why others are saying his potential is overrated."Because he's barely improved since he got here. He's the same inconsistent player he was when he got here.A lot of people were convinced that he had the potential to be just as good as Hazard could be, some even going further and saying he could be better then Hazard.That hasn't really happened now has it ? If anything the gap between Hazard and Oscar has actually gotten bigger and bigger as the seasons went by. Now the gap between Hazard and Oscar is about the size of the Grand Canyon."If he continued his first season half, he would be up there with Hazard as our POTY."No he wouldn't. Let's not overrate Oscar's first half of the season. He was good but he wasn't as good as you're making him out to be.You two both completely dismiss the evidence i brought forth, wait you guys completely ignored it in fact. I citied a Chelsea community site, that rated him having the most MOTM. The Mass of that site rated him alongside Cesc, Costa, Hazard, and Matic. ( I acutally think Talk Chelsea should have a system where we rate our players after every match, so we don't have so many revision of history.)On Whoscored.com he was also rated our 3rd highest player after Hazard and Cesc. Now if you find any website that rate players on a match-match basis, i am sure they would conclude the same he was one of our most important players.Now the reason i brought these two sites up is because i don't have any wish arguing over your perspectives. You have your lens and i have my lens, we all see the world through different beliefs and have our own biases.But the fact remains the same, there is a pile of evidence that suggest that Oscar was in fact one of our most important players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I didn't say he was better Costa or Febregas, where did i say that?You two both completely dismiss the evidence i brought forth, wait you guys completely ignored it in fact. I citied a Chelsea community site, that rated him having the most MOTM. The Mass of that site rated him alongside Cesc, Costa, Hazard, and Matic. ( I acutally think Talk Chelsea should have a system where we rate our players after every match, so we don't have so many revision of history.)On Whoscored.com he was also rated our 3rd highest player after Hazard and Cesc. Now if you find any website that rate players on a match-match basis, i am sure they would conclude the same he was one of our most important players.Now the reason i brought these two sites up is because i don't have any wish arguing over your perspectives. You have your lens and i have my lens, we all see the world through different beliefs and have our own biases.But the fact remains the same, there is a pile of evidence that suggest that Oscar was in fact one of our most important players.You use that "statistics" when it's convenient for your point...Last season according to whoscored in League Oscar was the 11th player in this squad with 7.04. The only players that still are in the team this season with a worst rating are Cech, Mikel and Ake. In that season Oscar was the 6th player in the CHampions League campaign. Our nnumber 10 did 2 assists in the League last season and was on vacations for 4 months.This season he is the 6th in League (and falling) with 7.37 and the 17th in the CHampions League with a rating of 6.78. There are plenty of evidence on that websites that Oscar is not good enough.THe website fororealmadrid.com has a system like that about Real Madrid players and Cristiano Ronaldo is right now behind Isco, Modric, James, Kroos, Varane and Pepe... it's something that has no value at all. At the end of the season no one will come here with the number of assists and goals of Oscar...some months ago he was ok on that but at the end of the season he won't, so you will need to find another one. didierforever and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFC888 219 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Really liked this article about Oscar's latest dip in form - a very accurate summary of the situation.http://www.espnfc.com.au/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/2352556/oscar-form-dips-for-chelsea-yet-again-but-he-has-talent-to-overcome RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 You use that "statistics" when it's convenient for your point...Last season according to whoscored in League Oscar was the 11th player in this squad with 7.04. The only players that still are in the team this season with a worst rating are Cech, Mikel and Ake. In that season Oscar was the 6th player in the CHampions League campaign. Our nnumber 10 did 2 assists in the League last season and was on vacations for 4 months.This season he is the 6th in League (and falling) with 7.37 and the 17th in the CHampions League with a rating of 6.78. There are plenty of evidence on that websites that Oscar is not good enough.THe website fororealmadrid.com has a system like that about Real Madrid players and Cristiano Ronaldo is right now behind Isco, Modric, James, Kroos, Varane and Pepe... it's something that has no value at all. At the end of the season no one will come here with the number of assists and goals of Oscar...some months ago he was ok on that but at the end of the season he won't, so you will need to find another one."You use that "statistics" when it's convenient for your point..."It is not because it is convenient, it is because we are talking about the first half of the season. The whole point of my responses is due to you saying he was ok in the first half of the season, and which i disagree and he was much better then "ok." I am not making any argument for last season or for his current form.So this is getting boring and its going nowhere. Lets be honest nothing i can show you will convince you otherwise. Not even Mou own words, which btw there is plenty of praises from Mou, where he describes Oscar "best on the pitch."Enjoy your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Isnt it obvious? Without using stats.. Because stats dont always tell the whole picture. Any Football fan who has kept an eye on Coutinho can see that he is getting better with every season he spends at Liverpool. He still has a long way to go before he reaches his full potential too.Coutinho really isn't all that, he's like another Joe Cole ie a flashy 1 in 5 player. RoyalBlues, CHOULO19 and CFC888 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Really liked this article about Oscar's latest dip in form - a very accurate summary of the situation.http://www.espnfc.com.au/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/2352556/oscar-form-dips-for-chelsea-yet-again-but-he-has-talent-to-overcomeWe have discussed 'that reason' for a century in here, and although it is a 'lame' excuse according some in here, actually it is right imo. Well, I am not in a mood to talk about 'that topic' in particular again, what I want to point out is that could Jose do something about it? Again Oscar will be involved with Brazil NT this summer, could Jose give him a holiday break alone for one or two full months after that so that he will finally have a fresh full season for the first time? CFC888 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jase 43,479 Posted March 21, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 21, 2015 Really liked this article about Oscar's latest dip in form - a very accurate summary of the situation.http://www.espnfc.com.au/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/2352556/oscar-form-dips-for-chelsea-yet-again-but-he-has-talent-to-overcomeHe does, though, remain a player of exceptional natural ability and vision combined with an enthusiasm for tackling that is not often seen in players of his ilk. If he wants to continue to be a fixture in the team, he will need to add greater consistency to his rounded game as well as a degree of mental strength to impose himself on proceedings.If Oscar continues to oscillate, Mourinho will not be shy in taking a proactive step by either dipping into a transfer kitty newly inflated with income from television rights deals and shirt sponsorship, or by switching the ever-blossoming Hazard into his coveted central role. Oscar has the talent to retain his status; he just needs to be able to stay the course.A player of exceptional natural ability and vision? Has the talent to retain his status?? :O stroey, Reddish-Blue, didierforever and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFC888 219 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 A player of exceptional natural ability and vision? Yes...??I can understand people questioning certain aspects of Oscar's game where it is clear that there are deficiencies, but I wouldn't expect anyone to question the kid's natural ability. You only have to watch the way he can make a ball talk to see that he has some very special talent. Granted, he is not putting that talent to full use at the moment, but I can't quite understand how one cannot acknowledge the immense natural ability that Oscar has at his disposal.As for his vision, I think some of the balls he's played this season (some in particular that have set up goals) answer any queries in that department. John1611 and Leif 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! lionsden 4,689 Posted March 21, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 21, 2015 Yes...??I can understand people questioning certain aspects of Oscar's game where it is clear that there are deficiencies, but I wouldn't expect anyone to question the kid's natural ability. You only have to watch the way he can make a ball talk to see that he has some very special talent. Granted, he is not putting that talent to full use at the moment, but I can't quite understand how one cannot acknowledge the immense natural ability that Oscar has at his disposal.As for his vision, I think some of the balls he's played this season (some in particular that have set up goals) answer any queries in that department. Styles, didierforever, commilin and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFC888 219 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I look forward to the day when you finally gain the ability to respond to people's posts with valid points to justify your opinion rather than just posting GIFs to try and mock them.I won't be holding my breath though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Yes...??I can understand people questioning certain aspects of Oscar's game where it is clear that there are deficiencies, but I wouldn't expect anyone to question the kid's natural ability. You only have to watch the way he can make a ball talk to see that he has some very special talent. Granted, he is not putting that talent to full use at the moment, but I can't quite understand how one cannot acknowledge the immense natural ability that Oscar has at his disposal.As for his vision, I think some of the balls he's played this season (some in particular that have set up goals) answer any queries in that department.This is just so utterly wrong that you can't really blame lionsden for responding with a gif. The Skipper, didierforever, stroey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I look forward to the day when you finally gain the ability to respond to people's posts with valid points to justify your opinion rather than just posting GIFs to try and mock them.I won't be holding my breath though...Ability, you say? mediator, Reddish-Blue and didierforever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Back to Oscar please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! lionsden 4,689 Posted March 22, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 22, 2015 I look forward to the day when you finally gain the ability to respond to people's posts with valid points to justify your opinion rather than just posting GIFs to try and mock them.I won't be holding my breath though...Honestly I wasn't trying to offend you with that gif. I have heard or seen people label oscar many things but skillfull and samba isn't one of them. I wouldn't have replied with that gif if you attributed this statement "You only have to watch the way he can make a ball talk to see that he has some very special talent" to players like Messi,Neymar, Hazard,Coutinho, Brahimi et al. Oscar is anything but skillful and flambouyant. he's the very essence of a no frills midfielder who serves a purpose in a highly efficient team especially when on form.And to top it off you presented that view as though his "dazzling skills" are so obvious and a major aspect of his game that it will be difficult to deny for anyone that's ever seen him play which couldn't be further from the truth. Belgiannutt, The Skipper, Stats and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 At the beginning of the season he used to play bad but find a way to score or assist, reminding me of lampard. But the passing, goals and assists have dried up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Can't blame oscar for this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFC888 219 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Oscar is anything but skillful and flambouyant.We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I think our definition of skillful is slightly different here - I gather that you're talking more about his skills in general play and on the ball (particularly when under pressure), which I completely agree are well below par. However, I was simply agreeing with the statement in the article that I quoted which said that Oscar had a great deal of natural ability going forward (i.e. shots, assists, fancy backheels/flicks etc.) as it was implied in the article that these are the types of skills that were being referred to. As the article says and as I have already said previously in this thread, being able to turn these skills into consistent showings is his big issue.And to top it off you presented that view as though his "dazzling skills" are so obvious and a major aspect of his game that it will be difficult to deny for anyone that's ever seen him play which couldn't be further from the truth.That wasn't my intention, I was merely referring to how eye-catching these displays of skill can be from Oscar on the occasions when he does showcase them, and that I would therefore expect people to acknowledge them, but obviously I was wrong.Thanks for your response. lionsden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm surprised nobody annoyed that Oscar getting a called up for Brazil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm surprised nobody annoyed that Oscar getting a called up for Brazil.Why ?Oscar has already 50 caps for Brazil. That's astonishing for 23 years old, no matter what nationality, but to play that for the nation which produced the most flair players in the history, you would think that this guy Oscar, to play 50 times for that nation in an offensive position as 23 years old, he has to be some special player, a pure quality who oozes with flair and excitement. RoyalBlues and John1611 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Why ?Oscar has already 50 caps for Brazil. That's astonishing for 23 years old, no matter what nationality, but to play that for the nation which produced the most flair players in the history, you would think that this guy Oscar, to play 50 times for that nation in an offensive position as 23 years old, he has to be some special player, a pure quality who oozes with flair and excitement.Tell me a Brazilian AMF that's performed well the last 2-3 years?He's in the team as the current crop of Brazilian players aren't that special. Neymar and Silva are the only two WC players IMO. Reddish-Blue and Bosnian Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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