🇧🇷 Oscar

[Rom2013 446]

Here we are again discussing how badly he played. He will be the one on the bench at the end of the season with Hazard, Cuadrado and Willian playing. No doubt about it. He plays almost everytime like this... but at the end he can do a good shot, a good pass and everyone forgets about the inmense amount of things that he does wrong.

He is the problem of this team. Every other player can perform regularly, can do what they are supposed to do. Oscar can't, he is a number 10 that creates nothing, can't play in counter attack, at the middle of the season he doesn't defend well ...

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I can't remember the last big game he was outstanding. He should be careful not to find himself on the bench.

Hazard willian cuadrado is still a formidable attacking trio so he better step up in the big games or he won't play any one in the future

[stroey 2,525]

Hazard-Willian-Cuadrado

is the way to go, Oscar should be benched.

[JDY 1,290]

Infuriates me more when in possession than most of our players. His touch and passing can either be good or truly abysmal - there is no inbetween.

[yuvala 2,167]

I said days before the match - just after the match against Liverpool ended actually, that he should be dropped from the team today because playing 210 minutes within four days would harm his presentation because he just can't cope with this amount of football especially in the second half of the season.

I was expecting him to be really bad and he was exactly that.

BUT I don't think it's that much fair to judge him on his quality, ability, etc... given the circumstances. He already showed that he has inconsistency issues that he needs to work on and other limitations to his game, but Mourinho only played him today because he literally had no other option... Mourinho played him twice in the cups games planning on have Ramires and Cesc for this game and bench Oscar. He wasn't counting with Cesc's injury and as a result Oscar was battered and except for the last ten minutes, it looked like we played with ten because he did absolutely nothing.

Like Matic said (according to some, I didn't see post match interviews) players aren't robots, they get tired, even more players such as Oscar who aren't physically on par with the demands of the league. He struggles when he plays too many minutes in such a short streak of time. I said it before the match and I'm not surprised at all with his terrible performance.

I think that his 'problems' have been there for the majority of the season regardless of this specific game.

I dont want to sell him, I kinda like him. But we should definately be going out looking for a good playmaker this summer because we cant rely on Oscar.

[Badboy 1,526]

I don't rate Oscar at all I actually think he's a limited footballer. He's not good enough and we need a better player to play his role.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Oscar is clearly not fit to play against better sides, especially after playing 120 minutes earlier this week. He looked knackered and generally useless. He should be afraid for his place in the XI. If Willian plays as well as he played today and Cuadrado impresses(and I think he will), Oscar might be the one who is dropped. I like the lad, but it's very likely.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I think he finds it hard to play in big games because he's terrible at keeping the ball under pressure. He'll give a clumsy pass everytime in that situation.

At least willian, hazard and cuadrado would dribble out of tight situations but oscar can't. So big teams that don't give space hurts him

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

I think that his 'problems' have been there for the majority of the season regardless of this specific game.

I dont want to sell him, I kinda like him. But we should definately be going out looking for a good playmaker this summer because we cant rely on Oscar.

This has been clear for two years now. Beyond Oscar's initial honeymoon period the situation has become harder and harder to avoid. He's a terrific lad but he isn't good enough to be Chelsea's number ten. I've said before though that this fact is not the problem we have. Our problem is that, despite his not being of the required level, Oscar remains the best number ten we have. This simply must be fixed as soon as possible.

We can dance around this issue, say optimistic things in defence of Oscar, reel out comforting statistics and bury our heads in the sand, but none of this is going to hide the truth. Not even from those who prefer to stay hopeful about the lad's future. We will eventually find a good ten and he will blaze a light on Oscar's shortcomings in the same way that Matic has done to Mikel.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Didn't watch the game but not surprised at all tbh.

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

Hopefully with the addition of Cuadrado, we see less of Oscar in big games

He can still be quality against mid-table and lower opponents whilst Willian/Hazard take a breather

[Joker10 946]

He had a bad game no doubt. But why is the openion of Willian is higher then Oscar on this forum?

Any rationale fan would conclude that Oscar has had a much better season, and it is not even close. While Oscar was a passenger tonight, Willian has been a passanger all season.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

He had a bad game no doubt. But why is the openion of Willian is higher then Oscar on this forum?

Any rationale fan would conclude that Oscar has had a much better season, and it is not even close. While Oscar was a passenger tonight, Willian has been a passanger all season.

I think a rational fan would have been calling for them both to be replaced, and would have been doing it for a long time.

[CFC888 219]

Didn't watch the game but not surprised at all tbh.

Likewise. Yet to watch the replay, but I wasn't expecting anything other than one or two nice-looking flicks and a lack of ball retention from Oscar in this game.

We know his output against the better teams is significantly poorer than against the weaker teams, and I have no doubt that he wasn't supposed to play this game. If Cesc hadn't been injured, I'm sure Oscar would have found himself on the bench for this one.

Jose would never play Oscar 300 minutes in 8 days unless he had no choice - like he did on this occasion.

It's disappointing that he did nothing, but knowing his record against the good teams and the fact that he wasn't supposed to be playing, we should have been prepared for this.

That said, as others have stated, the Cuadrado signing now places real pressure on Oscar to keep his spot, and it will no longer be excusable for him to not perform in the big games, regardless of how tired he is etc.

[Joker10 946]

I think a rational fan would have been calling for them both to be replaced, and would have been doing it for a long time.

It is not rational to suggest Oscar should be replaced, he has had a good season overall. He has played a major role in our success this season. He has had critical performance, goals and assist that often been a difference. If he can replicate his Aug-Jan performance in the second half, that is a fantastic season. If he has a sup par second half like last season, then I might agree that we should consider an upgrade.

Btw What is your expectation for Oscar? And when you say he is not good enough who are you comparing him to?

I would like to hear anyone answer.

Btw in no way I am excusing his performance tonight, but let's keep perspective 1. We played a very negative approach 2. He played 120m 3-4 days ago. 3. It was still one game

[manpe 10,861]

I said days before the match - just after the match against Liverpool ended actually, that he should be dropped from the team today because playing 210 minutes within four days would harm his presentation because he just can't cope with this amount of football especially in the second half of the season.

I was expecting him to be really bad and he was exactly that.

BUT I don't think it's that much fair to judge him on his quality, ability, etc... given the circumstances. He already showed that he has inconsistency issues that he needs to work on and other limitations to his game, but Mourinho only played him today because he literally had no other option... Mourinho played him twice in the cups games planning on have Ramires and Cesc for this game and bench Oscar. He wasn't counting with Cesc's injury and as a result Oscar was battered and except for the last ten minutes, it looked like we played with ten because he did absolutely nothing.

Like Matic said (according to some, I didn't see post match interviews) players aren't robots, they get tired, even more players such as Oscar who aren't physically on par with the demands of the league. He struggles when he plays too many minutes in such a short streak of time. I said it before the match and I'm not surprised at all with his terrible performance.

You are a very intelligent lady. You keep opening up new perspectives to me and it's such a relief to know this little bit more. I noticed everybody's touch was heavy and slow, but Oscar was missing completely now that it has been brought up, I too can't remember him at all.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

It is not rational to suggest Oscar should be replaced, he has had a good season overall. He has played a major role in our success this season. He has had critical performance, goals and assist that often been a difference. If he can replicate his Aug-Jan performance in the second half, that is a fantastic season. If he has a sup par second half like last season, then I might agree that we should consider an upgrade.

Btw What is your expectation for Oscar? And when you say he is not good enough who are you comparing him to?

I would like to hear anyone answer.

Btw in no way I am excusing his performance tonight, but let's keep perspective 1. We played a very negative approach 2. He played 120m 3-4 days ago. 3. It was still one game

I've posted my thoughts on Oscar earlier in the thread. The answers you've asked for might be in those although you and I both suspect that you won't agree with them.

Meanwhile something with which I disagree is the claim that Oscar has had a good season. In my opinion, he has not. I know the statistics of course but they do not persuade me to disregard what I see with my own eyes. I am persuaded however that if we upgrade Oscar, his replacement will also complete a few passes, put in some tackles, set up chances and score the odd goal. I know I keep repeating The Matic/Mikel comparison but I truly believe it's appropriate...

The argument used to rage about Mikel and various stats were paraded in his defence. Those of us who were dissatisfied with him were patronised mercilessly and told that we didn't know enough about football to understand what it was that made Mikel the right solution for Chelsea. Eventually Mikel was replaced of course and that argument died almost immediately. Sooner or later Oscar will be replaced too and this argument will die just as quickly.

I have never said, and I'm not saying now, that Oscar is a poor player. What I am saying is that Chelsea's ambitions require exceptional footballers. Oscar is not one.

[Stats 7,147]

I expect him to be dropped in big games. Especially away from home. That is why I am happy with the signing of Cuadrado. The counter-attacking threat of Hazard, Willian and Cuadrado will scare the life out of teams.

[lionsden 4,689]

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say He wouldn't make the bench of the big European teams. I don't see which AM he's good enough to bench at Madrid,Bayern,Barca and even City.
Normally the first choice attacking midfielder of a top club is one of the few players that the opposition managers worry the most about and devise a tactical plan to stop. These are the player that pull the string and destabilise the opposition defence and disrupt their tactical plan. That's the level we need to aspire to.

[Tomo 21,751]

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say He wouldn't make the bench of the big European teams. I don't see which AM he's good enough to bench at Madrid,Bayern,Barca and even City.

On the flip side City fans probably say the exact same about Navas, Madrid fans probably say it about Carvahal or however you spell his name, Barca fans Rakitic etc etc.