Rumoured Luke Shaw

[English Freak 456]

I actually think Ash has been poor this season and would prefer Baines, I like Shaw but he could be a flash in the pan, Baines has proved consistent year after year at LB

if Baines was to leave Everton...he'd probably follow Moyes to United.

And anyway, LB isn't that big an issue...if Cole does leave in 2014, give Bertrand a full season as our LB, see how he copes, then make a decision...

[Miguelito 459]

Cole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed.

I'm in agreement with you that our fullbacks should be sound defensively and they certainly are. But united won the league with for me, two not good defenders at outside back. I thought evra was just really bad this year defensively, seemed only to care about getting forward. And Rafael for me was great the first half of the year but after that wasn't near as good.

So I do think you can win the league with fullbacks who aren't great defensively but I'm happy we have defenders who are

[blu35_army 551]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aD10lIvMk

Faster,,more confident,,likely to cross. i'll say yes for this Kids,,can he turn to Winger just like Bale did???

[TrippingStep 336]

Cole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed.

You look at the champion's league final this year, at the Ancelotti team that won the champion's league and they have "modern" fullbacks but you must have a good midfield, covering system, lots of practice for the timing of their runs, build-up play to open up the space for them.

[Toli 977]

in my opinion people rate bertrant here too high. he hasnt impressed me in all of his games. offensively he is really bad, defensively he is ok, but nothing more. he is a good back-up but nowhere near starting-material. he needs a lot to improve.

[lucio 5,418]

i dont see the logic in loaning shaw but having bertrand stay when shaw offers so much more than bertrand ever will.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aD10lIvMk

Faster,,more confident,,likely to cross. i'll say yes for this Kids,,can he turn to Winger just like Bale did???

lol who put that video together? Shocking! Hes better than that vid gives him credit for

[Beepu 1,714]

i dont see the logic in loaning shaw but having bertrand stay when shaw offers so much more than bertrand ever will.

Because shaw would be better off playing in the first team for soton than being a backup to Cole like bertrand is now, who seems to be fine with his role.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I'm in agreement with you that our fullbacks should be sound defensively and they certainly are. But united won the league with for me, two not good defenders at outside back. I thought evra was just really bad this year defensively, seemed only to care about getting forward. And Rafael for me was great the first half of the year but after that wasn't near as good.

So I do think you can win the league with fullbacks who aren't great defensively but I'm happy we have defenders who are

Well, tbf, this season was an exception as united never really had any competition. Can't expect that every season.

[Styles 9,790]

Amazing talent. Defensively solid, composed, quick and very strong for his age. He will only get better. I like Bertrand, I think he's a good squad player. But I don't think he's good enough to be first choice for this club. Shaw has that potential.

[Stats 7,136]

Thing is Baines is not bad defensively. He is just very attacking but most matches he does well defensively and attacking wise. At us, we need more from our fullbacks going forward if we want to push on. For instance against Benfica how many times did Cole get forward compared to their LB. Hardly, and that is not because of what we tell him to do, he just does not have the pace and attacking play that he once had. Annoying because with Baines in our team we would improve much more but with Cole signing a contract that is not going to happen.

People say Cole is still brilliant defensively but he has been very error prone this season and been bullied off the ball. I mentioned which players have skinned him in another thread somewhere so I will not go over that again. But I look at other big clubs and their LB and I feel Cole should be doing more. I only think it is his rep keeping that notion that he is the best LB in the world.

With Shaw, I would love to have him here eventually but next season he will certainly be at Southampton without a doubt. Hopefully in a few years time he will be ready to be the no.1 left back here.

[lucio 5,418]

Because shaw would be better off playing in the first team for soton than being a backup to Cole like bertrand is now, who seems to be fine with his role.

shaw could actually challenge cole for his spot. bertrand cant do that.

[drog.ba 239]

Sign him now and loan him, back for a season or two until Cole retires

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aD10lIvMk

Faster,,more confident,,likely to cross. i'll say yes for this Kids,,can he turn to Winger just like Bale did???

Amazing talent. Defensively solid, composed, quick and very strong for his age. He will only get better. I like Bertrand, I think he's a good squad player. But I don't think he's good enough to be first choice for this club. Shaw has that potential.

Err, what happened to not believe in Youtube videos because it only makes everyone look good??

[lucio 5,418]

Err, what happened to not believe in Youtube videos because it only makes everyone look good??

well we all watched him in the match vs us and he was very good.