Yeboii 1,844 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Shaw or Baines?Both appeal to me....Shaw is a lot younger than Baines so I would say Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Shaw because Baines is 29 later this year. if you're good enough you're old enough is used for kids, but the same applies for older players.Baines has at least 4-5 TOP CLASS years in him yet... Most contracts are 3-4 years So remove age - is Shaw better than Baines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Shaw is a lot younger than Baines so I would say ShawTake age out of the equation - we are talking about building a squad to win the EPL next season...You got 1 pick... Baines or Shaw - age doesn't matter in this hypothetical sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 With Southampton staying up, I very much doubt Shaw would be leaving this summer. Staying there is clearly the best option for him, imo. He gets another full season in the PL instead of rotting on some bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Take age out of the equation - we are talking about building a squad to win the EPL next season...You got 1 pick... Baines or Shaw - age doesn't matter in this hypothetical sense...In that sense, neither. I'd just play Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 In that sense, neither. I'd just play Cole.I actually think Ash has been poor this season and would prefer Baines, I like Shaw but he could be a flash in the pan, Baines has proved consistent year after year at LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 ^ absolutely. Also think that Bertrand could do with a loan so we can assess PVA as the understudy to Cole. Bertrand has played 150 games on loan, lack of experience is not his problem. Why take a player out who is already a part of the squad and replace him with s.o. who is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 You cannot NOT take age into consideration when signing players. Elite prospect who's a legit PL starter at age of 17 is an easy choice over a 28 y/o especially when the position's not even our priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I actually think Ash has been poor this season and would prefer Baines, I like Shaw but he could be a flash in the pan, Baines has proved consistent year after year at LBCole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 By the way, if we sign him this summer, I believe he can still qualify as club-trained because he's still 17. I'd say it's pretty significant considering the number of foreign players we keep buying. That's why I wouldn't mind Rooney and Shaw. We got some good English talents in our academy, but could still definitely use more English signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Freak 456 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I actually think Ash has been poor this season and would prefer Baines, I like Shaw but he could be a flash in the pan, Baines has proved consistent year after year at LBif Baines was to leave Everton...he'd probably follow Moyes to United.And anyway, LB isn't that big an issue...if Cole does leave in 2014, give Bertrand a full season as our LB, see how he copes, then make a decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito 459 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Cole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed. I'm in agreement with you that our fullbacks should be sound defensively and they certainly are. But united won the league with for me, two not good defenders at outside back. I thought evra was just really bad this year defensively, seemed only to care about getting forward. And Rafael for me was great the first half of the year but after that wasn't near as good. So I do think you can win the league with fullbacks who aren't great defensively but I'm happy we have defenders who are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu35_army 551 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aD10lIvMk Faster,,more confident,,likely to cross. i'll say yes for this Kids,,can he turn to Winger just like Bale did??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Cole is obviously not the player he once was and doesn't have the legs to make runs for 90 mins and help the attack, but defensively, I think he's still miles ahead of both. I'm actually surprised how well he's done consider he's been left exposed for most of the games by the lack of tracking by our wingers (but that's a long debate for another time). I believe that if you want to win a league, you need a back four that are solid defensively, especially the fullbacks. I was never on board with the notion of "modern" fullbacks that turn into wingers on the attack and leave the team exposed. You look at the champion's league final this year, at the Ancelotti team that won the champion's league and they have "modern" fullbacks but you must have a good midfield, covering system, lots of practice for the timing of their runs, build-up play to open up the space for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 in my opinion people rate bertrant here too high. he hasnt impressed me in all of his games. offensively he is really bad, defensively he is ok, but nothing more. he is a good back-up but nowhere near starting-material. he needs a lot to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 i dont see the logic in loaning shaw but having bertrand stay when shaw offers so much more than bertrand ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2aD10lIvMk Faster,,more confident,,likely to cross. i'll say yes for this Kids,,can he turn to Winger just like Bale did??? lol who put that video together? Shocking! Hes better than that vid gives him credit for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepu 1,714 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 i dont see the logic in loaning shaw but having bertrand stay when shaw offers so much more than bertrand ever will.Because shaw would be better off playing in the first team for soton than being a backup to Cole like bertrand is now, who seems to be fine with his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I'm in agreement with you that our fullbacks should be sound defensively and they certainly are. But united won the league with for me, two not good defenders at outside back. I thought evra was just really bad this year defensively, seemed only to care about getting forward. And Rafael for me was great the first half of the year but after that wasn't near as good.So I do think you can win the league with fullbacks who aren't great defensively but I'm happy we have defenders who areWell, tbf, this season was an exception as united never really had any competition. Can't expect that every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Amazing talent. Defensively solid, composed, quick and very strong for his age. He will only get better. I like Bertrand, I think he's a good squad player. But I don't think he's good enough to be first choice for this club. Shaw has that potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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