Eden Hazard

[different level 1,056]

I don't know how much of that media crap is true, but if Eden has some problem with the way Jose runs the team or wants to leave then there is the door. He should just look at what happened to our back to back player of the year in the last two seasons when the right offer came and PSG won't be thinking twice if the see a possibility of him being available.

[SoulTaker 46]

What I think it's that it would not be surprising if Hazard is a bit frustrated at the moment but it goes way too far in the media and even here.

I keep hearing people saying : " In modern forward help defense ". Which is true and I won't argue with that but there's limit to everything, I've pointed out yesterday how the team lack collective right now and it's all the point. Try to imagine what you would feel as a forward if you were asking to work to oblivion to help the team in defensive duty but when actually doing your job as a forward you have next to no support ? It's a lack in the TEAMWORK. Chelsea right now is unbalanced and this is clearly Mourinho fault for emphasing too much on the defensive part of the game. I'm not saying he should throw away his approach but tweaking it a bit would surely help.

[didierforever 7,349]

we are not Mourinho F C either

didnt say we are. but JOSE is our manager and if he wants our players to play in a particular way, it the players' responsibility from the likes of hazard to kalas to obey him and do their job.

[didierforever 7,349]

Deflecting the blame from the terrible football he has had us playing this season together with it being a trophyless season. (I have no problem with the second part, but maybe Jose is becoming a bit paranoid that he might win nothing for two seasons in a row). It's all about furthering HIS own glory anyway.

System? What system? Do we even have a recognized style of play? Martinez has been at Everton for the same time period as Mourinho and has implemented a system of good attacking football with a vastly inferior squad to ours. Same thing with Pellegrini at City.

As for this. Well the rest of your rant is just attacking Straw man. It's obvious you didn't even read my comment. Come back next time with a more cogent, intelligent reply. "FUCK OFF?" Yep. Thought as much.

Deflecting the blame from the terrible football he has had us playing this season together with it being a trophyless season. (I have no problem with the second part, but maybe Jose is becoming a bit paranoid that he might win nothing for two seasons in a row). It's all about furthering HIS own glory anyway.

System? What system? Do we even have a recognized style of play? Martinez has been at Everton for the same time period as Mourinho and has implemented a system of good attacking football with a vastly inferior squad to ours. Same thing with Pellegrini at City.

As for this. Well the rest of your rant is just attacking Straw man. It's obvious you didn't even read my comment. Come back next time with a more cogent, intelligent reply. "FUCK OFF?" Yep. Thought as much.

well if u think we dont have a "system" to play in then i know how mych u really have seen of us. martinez at everton got his ass kicked 5-0 by pool, want us to have that??? or do u want to play the football pelegrinni plays, lose 3 out of 4 matches to its title contenders, and get owned by barca in CL.

now as for attacking football, lets take the ATM first leg for instance shall we, we had hazard and etoo out. if we had tried to play our normal football and played oscar and schurrle for rambo and mikel, our bench would have looked like this schwarzer, ake, kalas, mvg, rambo, mikel, ba. tell me a single player that can have a positive impact on the game at 60th minute if we were 1-0 down? did not we play attacking football against psg? gala?schalke? arsenal? spurs? united etc etc... but if in 3 BIG matches which were going to define our season, if we use the tactics that would help us achieve our objective, it becomes the only way we have played football all thru the season???!!!!

my rant was against a player who refused to do his job in the match. would rather prefer schurrle playing if thats the case with him next season too.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer

Chelsea will not entertain ANY offers for Hazard this summer despite Mourinho admitting frustration over his performance. (Guardian) #CFC

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Eden Hazard has been warned before speaking at media briefing #CFC (Guardian)

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Mourinho: "Does Hazard still make mistakes? Of course he still makes mistakes. But he understands" #CFC

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Mourinho: "Remember the performance at Manchester City, which was a very complete performance. So I have no problem with @hazardeden10" #CFC

[didierforever 7,349]

No offense but when that system, you're talking about, has your most potent attacking midfielder defend a cross on his own goalline serious questions need to be asked about that system.

It's not that uncommon for teams to play in a way that gets the best out of they're best player. You mention CR but Real played in a system that allowed CR to conserve his energy and not be responsible of tracking a fullback.

They played a 4-4-2 where CR and Benzema only needed to cut of passing lanes other then that they didn't have much to do in defence.

On your last sentence : How exactly does defending a player that is part of Chelsea question the support one has for Chelsea ? Hazard is part of this Chelsea team, no ?

that "system" won us the game at anfield with 9 of our first teamers not starting. it won us the game at etihad where hazard owned zabaleta not only in offense but in defence too.

hazard was a pain in juanfran's butt until that point. i remember him putting a couple of balls in at the near post, getting to the by-line a couple of times. but as soon as we scored the goal, the whole dynamics of the match changed. juanfran and luis started getting a lot more ahead. it was hazard's responsibility even if he is god-incarnate to hold juanfran off and see his run. with juanfran getting so much ahead, we would eventually have got the chance of a counter, but it does not mean that hazard goes to sleep

and lets not compare hazard to CR. does he score 40+ goals in all seasons? dont tell me that CR has never been double /triple marked. but thats his class. hazard is lightyears away. hence u do the thing that u r told to do. maybe next season when we have a clinical striker and jose has the confidence in our players to actually go out there and outscore an opposition, then we will start playing a different way. until then, like i said before, hazard should simply have done what was asked of him

it does not make sense cos right now people are defending one player ahead of the whole club. eden hazards may come and go, chelsea will be fine with or without him. we proved that against psg/pool or before 2011-12.

[SoulTaker 46]

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer

Chelsea will not entertain ANY offers for Hazard this summer despite Mourinho admitting frustration over his performance. (Guardian) #CFC

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer

Eden Hazard has been warned before speaking at media briefing #CFC (Guardian)

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer

Mourinho: "Does Hazard still make mistakes? Of course he still makes mistakes. But he understands" #CFC

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer

Mourinho: "Remember the performance at Manchester City, which was a very complete performance. So I have no problem with @hazardeden10" #CFC

Nothing surprising here but it's still laughable it as comes to the point Mourinho had to clear things up for people to understand.

[SoulTaker 46]

that "system" won us the game at anfield with 9 of our first teamers not starting. it won us the game at etihad where hazard owned zabaleta not only in offense but in defence too.

hazard was a pain in juanfran's butt until that point. i remember him putting a couple of balls in at the near post, getting to the by-line a couple of times. but as soon as we scored the goal, the whole dynamics of the match changed. juanfran and luis started getting a lot more ahead. it was hazard's responsibility even if he is god-incarnate to hold juanfran off and see his run. with juanfran getting so much ahead, we would eventually have got the chance of a counter, but it does not mean that hazard goes to sleep

and lets not compare hazard to CR. does he score 40+ goals in all seasons? dont tell me that CR has never been double /triple marked. but thats his class. hazard is lightyears away. hence u do the thing that u r told to do. maybe next season when we have a clinical striker and jose has the confidence in our players to actually go out there and outscore an opposition, then we will start playing a different way. until then, like i said before, hazard should simply have done what was asked of him

it does not make sense cos right now people are defending one player ahead of the whole club. eden hazards may come and go, chelsea will be fine with or without him. we proved that against psg/pool or before 2011-12.

You're totally right, I said it earlier too that his system greatly helped winning some games. But what work on stronger side might not work on weaker side. I do think it's the emphasis on the defensive part of the game that made Chelsea struggle against weaker sides this season as much as it helped winning thougher games.

The lack of collective probably show a lack of training in this department, but Mourinho isn't stupid he surely know, still nothing has improved, so I think what he said at the start of the season ( that this first year he didn't aim for title ) was true and the fact Chelsea fighted for the title this season was somewhat unexpected. He might have wanted to start by strenghtening the team defense even if it meant to throw away the offensive part for now and next season starting with a good base ( defense ) and work on the offensive to push for titles. Atleast that's how I see it.

As for the comparaison with Ronaldo, it has been said a lot but they're completetly different type of players and their situation is also different ( and there's he isn't even close to Ronaldo ), but if we want to talk about Ronaldo we also need to point that he has way more support the Hazard does ( and Ronaldo earned that support ). So different players and different situation make it incomparable...

Edit : Sorry for the double post.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Mourinho is doing the same thing he did at Madrid. Causing division between the fans and the players. Between Madridistas and "Mourinhistas". I hope some of the fans are now starting to see through it.

You're so far wrong it's a fucking joke.

How dare you offer an opinion of what the supporters of this club think? You have no fucking clue. There is no division in my view, except for from a few cowardly shits on the internet who don't represent a single thing about this club.

Mourinho has more support than any manager I can remember for a long time. You are a fucking disgrace.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

http://www.chelseafc.com/news-article/article/3801216

If I'm not listening or reading any media bollarks about this "Hazard vs Mourinho", and just following the news from the official news page like in above link, I will be confused to death what are you guys debating on in the last 20 pages of this thread.

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer

Eden Hazard has been warned before speaking at media briefing #CFC (Guardian)

ChelsTransferGossip ‏@ChelsTransfer

Mourinho: "Does Hazard still make mistakes? Of course he still makes mistakes. But he understands" #CFC

This. Case closed.

[haranr 485]

Mourinho should hug Hazard tomorrow in front of all the cameras.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

You're so far wrong it's a fucking joke.

How dare you offer an opinion of what the supporters of this club think? You have no fucking clue. There is no division in my view, except for from a few cowardly shits on the internet who don't represent a single thing about this club.

Mourinho has more support than any manager I can remember for a long time. You are a fucking disgrace.

I know some Chelsea fans, elderly ones, who never wanted Mourinho back in the first place because of his behaviour. He is a tremendously popular manager at the club and rightly so. I chose to ignore all the stuff at Madrid and treat his behaviour there as an anomaly. Madrid is a merry-go-round of managers right? But the facts are facts. He fell out with almost all his players at Madrid. He is hated in Spain. He is hated in Italy, and now he is hated in England. There are ways of being a great manager without being a complete dick about it. Look at Ancelotti.

I had reservations about him coming back to manage this Chelsea. For one, this is a team built on flair and technically gifted players, not workhorses, "functional" players, robots and yes-men as Mourinho likes. What's the point of buying Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Mata, Schurrle, Salah, Matic and so on if the manager has a track record of playing largely low-block defense and counter-attacking football? It makes no sense. That's why Roman's two preferred choices were Klopp and Guardiola but he had to settle for Mourinho. Mourinho has shown no evidence in his managerial career that he is even capable of setting his team out to play expansive, attacking football. This is not his strength and this is not his footballing philosophy. Neither has he shown that he knows how to handle young, developing players, which is precisely what the new team is being built on.

So far we've been subjected to dull football, public criticism of the team after defeats, public criticism of individual players (which is what angers me the most), weird, ignorant comments about Eto'o, moaning about TV schedule (like he has done throughout his career), and a really ill-advised attack on Wenger, who is a legend in English football and is widely respected.

Now, I can live with the other shenanigans and the horrid football (at least for a while. It's only a matter of time before Roman starts asking questions) , but I'm not going to turn a blind eye to a manager who criticizes his players to cover his ass. He can't just waltz into the club and do whatever the fuck he likes. The football club continued to win trophies without Jose and will continue to with or without him. I'm not buying that "one of us" bullshit. He is back at Chelsea and after this, he knows he has no other realistic place to go except maybe PSG as he has burnt his bridges in Italy and Spain and none of the Bayern board executives will deal with his baggage. He kissed the Inter badge then fucked right over to Madrid when the opportunity came even after he had told Moratti he was staying. He announced he was leaving the SAME night he won the CL. Again, taking the shine off the players and unto himself. He also did this when he left Porto. It's a "Cult of Personality" thing with him.

He said in his first press conference that "nobody is bigger than the club", so I suggest he starts believing his words, shut his mouth and start preparing for next season.

"You are a fucking disgrace"

As for this, well if it were Mourinho FC and I was a fan of Mourinho and not Chelsea, then perhaps you might be making some sense. But seeing as I'm a Chelsea supporter and not a fan of Mourinho's antics then your infantile pent up anger is misplaced. Mourinho is not the greatest legend this club has ever known, neither is he Abramovich. So save your stupid replies for someone else and give me a break.

[SoulTaker 46]

Mourinho should hug Hazard tomorrow in front of all the cameras.

After a MotM perfomance for the best possible outcome .

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Mourinho should hug Hazard tomorrow in front of all the cameras.

No, just no. This isn't Hazard FC either. Mourinho should shut his mouth for 5 seconds and stop letting the press treat him like a cheap whore. They don't really like him, though they pretend otherwise.

Hazard should also shut it a little or at least be more media savvy when dealing with the French press vultures.

Unless you're being sarcastic of course

[Stingray 9,441]

my rant was against a player who refused to do his job in the match. would rather prefer schurrle playing if thats the case with him next season too.

This is why i think your just fueling the hysteria. You call him a player who 'refused' - implying its deliberate - and even putting on one more saying 'if that is the case you'd rather have Schurrle'

Are you even for real? Do you think a player does that deliberate in CL semi? Even Mourinho called it an error on multiple occasions, which is surely was.

You just seem to wanna run amok on this forum with statements like that. Twist and turn ans spin it around some more ....

Sad really.

[ZOS 580]

Jose knows how to get a reaction from his players. He did the same with Eto'o. But wait, because he isn't Hazard no one cared about that. People need to stop thinking Hazard is untouchable here. He was at fault on numerous occasions in a big match.

what kind of reaction did he get out of Pepe, Casilas, Ronaldo, KDB or Mata ... all of whom he publically rebuffed in the past two years...

and now you say Hazard was at fault in numerous occasions in big matches , this is really sad.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I know some Chelsea fans, elderly ones,

I don't believe you.

Mourinho has shown no evidence in his managerial career that he is even capable of setting his team out to play expansive, attacking football.

So you're ignoring 2012 Madrid when they scored a record number of goals. Proven liar.

and a really ill-advised attack on Wenger, who is a legend in English football and is widely respected.

Wenger is also largely despised amongst managers, and opposition fans. He's widely mocked IN THIS COUNTRY. Once again you've shown you simply don't understand ENGLISH football.

[The only place to be 11,313]

But seeing as I'm a Chelsea supporter

Don't believe that for a second. You've done nothing but criticise the manager and the football since you signed up. You're the type of gloryhunter that every true supporter of this club despises. You don't 'support' in any sense of the word, you just criticise from your armchair.

You don't represent a single thing I know and love about this club. You wouldn't last a fucking second here.