Eden Hazard

[Dion 2,476]

I think ppl criticize Hazard because they have high expectations of him. Higher than those for our other players. He's not playing bad by any means. Maybe not up to his normal standards lately, but not bad at all. Also, I don't know where did this brazilian vs. belgian shit talk come from, but that's just not true. I mean, one guy says something and suddenly it's: "brazilians" dislike Hazard/Belgians, wtf?

[Peppen 934]

Think he's been an immense player this season, and I can't wait to see the full potential of this world class prospect. That's why I just purchased the white away kit with Hazard on the back... Updates will be coming, ha

[Chelsea? 892]

Mata was poor today aswell.

But yeah lets all just blame the 21 y old. Nice and easy.

I'm not blaming ONLY the 21yr old. And I was talking the entire season, not just the last game.

[Dion 2,476]

I'm not blaming ONLY the 21yr old. And I was talking the entire season, not just the last game.

We gotta be patient with the lad. It's his first season and he's young. He's had his ups and downs but all in all he's doing great considering everything. Nonetheless, we shouldn't expect a 21-year-old to be winning games for us all by himself, no matter how good prospect Hazard is. That's specially true when the rest of the team is doing so so and you have a shitty striker.

[chelseathebest 150]

What are you talking about? He's been doing better the last matches after his dip in form. Do you even watch the games? I doubt it.

The criticism towards him is really becoming laughable now. Especially from that deluded Brazilian poster called Henrique, who hasn't got 1 good word of praise for the lad.

Perhaps you should start to turn your criticism towards Oscar, who has been playing like shit for 75% of the games he played. But he's Brazilian isn't he. Ofcourse you wouldn't bad mouth him, as the biased fool you are.

I will laugh in your faces next season when he's settled in and plays like the Hazard at Lille.

Christ people are idiots.

He's been doing good in matches vs. Nordsj... and Monterrey...

But that doesn't mean shit. Look at Torres, he has been great vs those horrible teams, but does that mean he's in good form? Ofc not, he's still the same old shit.

I agree that whole team has been bad in some matches and I don't spend much time on this forum so I can't criticize all of them...But that doesn't mean that I blame only Hazard.

[Kojo 4,676]

He's been doing good in matches vs. Nordsj... and Monterrey...

But that doesn't mean shit. Look at Torres, he has been great vs those horrible teams, but does that mean he's in good form? Ofc not, he's still the same old shit.

I agree that whole team has been bad in some matches and I don't spend much time on this forum so I can't criticize all of them...But that doesn't mean that I blame only Hazard.

But that's only a 15% chance this post is correct, because you see Torres is making these great movements behind the striker and no one his feeding him in.

Here let me give you an analysis.

Here we have a donkey, look at his facial expression, this is indicating he is hungry to score goals, however he is not moving. Why is that?, well there is a 99% chance that it's because it's a still picture, but forget that, because stating the obvious is too mainstream. So lets go with the 1% chance, Torres (donkey) is not moving simply because it's pointless, there isn't enough service for the donkey, in order for him to have service there must be a better chance of completed passes.

This is a cabbage, look where i highlighted the lines in that cabbage, look at the cabbages run, it's simply wanting the ball but there is no feed to it, so then why run?. This team is not working together, that's why Torres isn't scoring, now take another look at the cabbage what do you see?. Exactly again this cabbage is not moving, that's because it's simply not getting the assistance it deserves. I can't see any balls going to that cabbage can you?, exactly, where is that ball, most importantly where are all the other players with it?, there is simply no service and no team offering that service.

now here is Hazard

Here is Hazards stats

TEAM Competition GS SB G A SH SG FC FS YC RC Belgium WCQ 3 1 0 1 6 4 3 5 0 0 Chelsea UCL 4 2 0 2 11 8 3 19 0 0 Belgium Int 4 0 1 0 4 2 0 1 0 0 Chelsea Comm 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 Chelsea CC 0 2 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 Chelsea Prem 16 0 3 6 36 11 14 42 0 0 Chelsea MLS 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 Chelsea CWC 2 0 0 1 2 1 1 5 0 0 Chelsea Super C 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Chelsea WFC 3 0 1 0 5 1 2 11 0 0 Season Totals 34 6 6 11 66 28 24 85 0 0

That is simply not good enough, 36 shots and 3 goals, so how is Torres bad if Torres has a better ratio than that?. You can tell me they play in different positions but the fact of the matter is positions aren't stats, so they are wrong. It shows here that hazard is simply not good enough, not to mention how low his red card and yellow card ratio is.

Hazard is one of the weakest players at the moment, it's lucky his pass completion saves him because he would be sold in my book, i also think instead of buying Hazard we should look to getting someone like Joe Allen from Liverpool, his pass completion on a recent basis brilliant. Play him there, at least his pass completion is better, so that will mean he doesn't lose the ball, and then that will also mean that Torres will score, because that adds to another percentage of torres getting the ball more.

(i was going to make a longer post but I'm not a good enough poster)

[Stingray 9,441]

But that's only a 15% chance this post is correct, because you see Torres is making these great movements behind the striker and no one his feeding him in.

Here let me give you an analysis.

Here we have a donkey, look at his facial expression, this is indicating he is hungry to score goals, however he is not moving. Why is that?, well there is a 99% chance that it's because it's a still picture, but forget that, because stating the obvious is too mainstream. So lets go with the 1% chance, Torres (donkey) is not moving simply because it's pointless, there isn't enough service for the donkey, in order for him to have service there must be a better chance of completed passes.

This is a cabbage, look where i highlighted the lines in that cabbage, look at the cabbages run, it's simply wanting the ball but there is no feed to it, so then why run?. This team is not working together, that's why Torres isn't scoring, now take another look at the cabbage what do you see?. Exactly again this cabbage is not moving, that's because it's simply not getting the assistance it deserves. I can't see any balls going to that cabbage can you?, exactly, where is that ball, most importantly where are all the other players with it?, there is simply no service and no team offering that service.

now here is Hazard

Here is Hazards stats

TEAM Competition GS SB G A SH SG FC FS YC RC Belgium WCQ 3 1 0 1 6 4 3 5 0 0 Chelsea UCL 4 2 0 2 11 8 3 19 0 0 Belgium Int 4 0 1 0 4 2 0 1 0 0 Chelsea Comm 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 Chelsea CC 0 2 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 Chelsea Prem 16 0 3 6 36 11 14 42 0 0 Chelsea MLS 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 Chelsea CWC 2 0 0 1 2 1 1 5 0 0 Chelsea Super C 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Chelsea WFC 3 0 1 0 5 1 2 11 0 0 Season Totals 34 6 6 11 66 28 24 85 0 0

That is simply not good enough, 36 shots and 3 goals, so how is Torres bad if Torres has a better ratio than that?. You can tell me they play in different positions but the fact of the matter is positions aren't stats, so they are wrong. It shows here that hazard is simply not good enough, not to mention how low his red card and yellow card ratio is.

Hazard is one of the weakest players at the moment, it's lucky his pass completion saves him because he would be sold in my book, i also think instead of buying Hazard we should look to getting someone like Joe Allen from Liverpool, his pass completion on a recent basis brilliant. Play him there, at least his pass completion is better, so that will mean he doesn't lose the ball, and then that will also mean that Torres will score, because that adds to another percentage of torres getting the ball more.

(i was going to make a longer post but I'm not a good enough poster)

I am starting to love you Kojo!!!

awesome post!

ps: my wine just shot right through my nose while laughing. Legend indeed!

[robsblubot 3,544]

TEAM Competition GS SB G A SH SG FC FS YC RC Belgium WCQ 3 1 0 1 6 4 3 5 0 0 Chelsea UCL 4 2 0 2 11 8 3 19 0 0 Belgium Int 4 0 1 0 4 2 0 1 0 0 Chelsea Comm 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 Chelsea CC 0 2 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 Chelsea Prem 16 0 3 6 36 11 14 42 0 0 Chelsea MLS 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 Chelsea CWC 2 0 0 1 2 1 1 5 0 0 Chelsea Super C 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Chelsea WFC 3 0 1 0 5 1 2 11 0 0 Season Totals 34 6 6 11 66 28 24 85 0 0

That is simply not good enough, 36 shots and 3 goals, so how is Torres bad if Torres has a better ratio than that?. You can tell me they play in different positions but the fact of the matter is positions aren't stats, so they are wrong. It shows here that hazard is simply not good enough, not to mention how low his red card and yellow card ratio is.

Hazard is one of the weakest players at the moment, it's lucky his pass completion saves him because he would be sold in my book, i also think instead of buying Hazard we should look to getting someone like Joe Allen from Liverpool, his pass completion on a recent basis brilliant. Play him there, at least his pass completion is better, so that will mean he doesn't lose the ball, and then that will also mean that Torres will score, because that adds to another percentage of torres getting the ball more.

(i was going to make a longer post but I'm not a good enough poster)

There are chances and chances; the sitter Torres missed against Corinthians is not acceptable. There is no excuse, because that was the wrong decision. It was clearly a tap-in and he tried to power it in. He was under no pressure from defenders either.

That type of stats would indeed identify Joe Allen as a good player; the only problem is that he is shit. Or has been shit for liverpool. What's the use of all those completed side passes when the ones that count don't make it? Like I said before, pass completion would lead anyone to believe Gareth Barry is better Messi.

Now, to the original point, Hazard has been poor. Teamwork is off, so most players struggle. One of the reasons I theorize that hurt Chelsea's teamwork is that we've got too much of a good thing; Mata and Hazard are the same player. They are both false nines. Considering we already have a false nine in Torres (sorry could not resist), and sometimes our manager even start with Moses, yet another not-a-midfielder wide player, we end up losing the midfield in every fucking match.

Hazard at 21 will have ups and downs and it's up to the manager to manage the player. I hope we are not comparing a 28 yo who's been playing the BPL for a long time, with an attacking midfielder who's 21 and is playing in the league for the first time.

[Stingray 9,441]

Hazard has been poor.

And how do you see this exactly, Oh wise one?

Pluspoints for factual correctness: take into account his age and his first year here, take indeed his stats with it, take into account the team is a trainwreck now, the trainer shuffle, no striker .... also no cherry picking on his actual bad matches: the whole package of Hazard this season. How is this exactly bad for a - again - 21 year old - debutant? And if he is, who has done better in this team that is even remotely comparable? Oscar? Mata (ow he was older)? Torres (LOL), Luiz, Lampard, Romeu, Cole,, Ivanovic, Cahill....Ow didn't they all go down at a certain point?

Now, what is your reference point? Where was he a really below par in comparison to everyone else - again - he is new here and young? Was he decisive in some games (also, when you say someting like: thats not hard it was against Norj...., why wasn't everyone good there?), and so on, and so on....

Could it possibly be even remotely possible its not actually Hazard being a truly bad player, but a young guy having adjustment problems in a newly formed, much changed team where even the old guard is struggling - although being one that shows great talent even in these situations - which is very good in itself? Still, he is not awefull not bad at this time. He is a very decent team player with moments of briliance. If you think otherwise, look Torres, look defence, look even double pivot;

To the haters, a big fuck you. Look up 'confirmation bias' on wikipedia and study. I am done with the lot of you. I will retaliate from now on.

I salute you.

enlighten me with your factualness, please...

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Hazard needs to be better. It seems he's struggling with confidence, and I think he's deferring to much to the others and not seizing contol like he did for Lille.

That being said to blame him for what's been transpiring at Chelsea is insane.

Frankly the 4-2-3-1 is horrible especially when the one is Torres who has been virtually useless. I begining to wonder if stylistically Chelsea was a bad match for him.

Don't get me wrong he's is capable of much much more and he needs to start playing like the 2x La Ligue 1 player of year.

His finishing has been poor.

[Stingray 9,441]

Hazard needs to be better. It seems he's struggling with confidence, and I think he's deferring to much to the others and not seizing contol like he did for Lille. That being said to blame him for what's been transpiring at Chelsea is insane. Frankly the 4-2-3-1 is horrible especially when the one is Torres who has been virtually useless. I begining to wonder if stylistically Chelsea was a bad match for him. Don't get me wrong he's is capable of much much more and he needs to start playing like the 2x La Ligue 1 player of year. His finishing has been poor.

So again my question. HOW? is it because he is at fault or because the situation is screwed? He could easily be the best an amazing young talent IS in this situation. Thought about that? Or do you want to wait untill KDB gets burned here, or Piazon or Chalobah? How do you explain Oscars' averageness in the EPL? Get your question/remark right! What is it now?

fuck me.

[LukakutoStamford 779]

So again my question. HOW? is it because he is at fault or because the situation is screwed? He could easily be the best an amazing young talent IS in this situation. Thought about that? Or do you want to wait untill KDB gets burned here, or Piazon or Chalobah? How do you explain Oscars' averageness in the EPL? Get your question/remark right! What is it now?

fuck me.

Whoa! Hazard hasn't been at his best and to dish all blame on everyone and everything else is silly. I'm not disagreeing with you. I feel like Hazard has been struggling at times because Torres is shit and the system he's in is stifiling for his play style. I appreciate what Hazard can do I'm just suggesting that he isn't showing his ultimate form. Why? There could be reasons we don't know about.

I'm not sure why you are so upset with me as I'm not blaming Hazard for anything ...

[Stingray 9,441]

Whoa! Hazard hasn't been at his best and to dish all blame on everyone and everything else is silly. I'm not disagreeing with you. I feel like Hazard has been struggling at times because Torres is shit and the system he's in is stifiling for his play style. I appreciate what Hazard can do I'm just suggesting that he isn't showing his ultimate form. Why? There could be reasons we don't know about.

I'm not sure why you are so upset with me as I'm not blaming Hazard for anything ...

Hey dude! This was a general post, not directed to you. I am sorry for that. You might have gotten that impression because you were cited .

:-)

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Hey dude! This was a general post, not directed to you. I am sorry for that. You might have gotten that impression because you were cited .

:-)

My response was quoted so I figured you were responding to me. No sweat.

[Stingray 9,441]

My response was quoted so I figured you were responding to me. No sweat.

Cool. I just had it with some Hazard-critics on here even though he was really decent (or more than so - especially season wide). Why is that? Just because of a pricetag? Don't you want him to feel Chelsea is a place a young gun can grow as well?

Ps: Henrique please do not reply. I know your position on young, potential - non brazilian - players.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Hazard should be the last of our worries right now,we have other areas that need to be looked upon immidiately.

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Cool. I just had it with some Hazard-critics on here even though he was really decent (or more than so - especially season wide). Why is that? Just because of a pricetag? Don't you want him to feel Chelsea is a place a young gun can grow as well?

Ps: Henrique please do not reply. I know your position on young, potential - non brazilian - players.

Heh, I try not to be homer, hence a mild critique of Hazard but I live and die for Les Diables Rouges. I'm frustrated with the crazy manager swap the tactics and like everyone else, Torres.

[robsblubot 3,544]

And how do you see this exactly, Oh wise one?

Pluspoints for factual correctness: take into account his age and his first year here, take indeed his stats with it, take into account the team is a trainwreck now, the trainer shuffle, no striker .... also no cherry picking on his actual bad matches: the whole package of Hazard this season. How is this exactly bad for a - again - 21 year old - debutant? And if he is, who has done better in this team that is even remotely comparable? Oscar? Mata (ow he was older)? Torres (LOL), Luiz, Lampard, Romeu, Cole,, Ivanovic, Cahill....Ow didn't they all go down at a certain point?

Now, what is your reference point? Where was he a really below par in comparison to everyone else - again - he is new here and young? Was he decisive in some games (also, when you say someting like: thats not hard it was against Norj...., why wasn't everyone good there?), and so on, and so on....

Could it possibly be even remotely possible its not actually Hazard being a truly bad player, but a young guy having adjustment problems in a newly formed, much changed team where even the old guard is struggling - although being one that shows great talent even in these situations - which is very good in itself? Still, he is not awefull not bad at this time. He is a very decent team player with moments of briliance. If you think otherwise, look Torres, look defence, look even double pivot;

To the haters, a big fuck you. Look up 'confirmation bias' on wikipedia and study. I am done with the lot of you. I will retaliate from now on.

I salute you.

enlighten me with your factualness, please...

How being young guarantees a spot for him? How being young allows him to not produce enough and still start for a club like Chelsea? Ever other sentence you wrote you mention his age, something I did mention myself, so don't really get the reason for your rant. So I will just comment about what I care about: that Hazard IMO has been very poor.

So, in my view Hazard is already a player with deficiencies; He does not track back or defend well. He's very static when without the football, though he explodes into movement when he does get the ball. So, with the football at his feet he is very good, sometimes excellent.

So, aside from his known and quite obvious deficiencies, he should've been scoring goals and creating chances all the time, but he is not.

Him being young gives a reason for his lack of consistency, but does not give one for Chelsea to start him when he can't deliver. What applies to other players also applies to Hazard, regardless of age. Lukaku can't be too young and inconsistent for Chelsea, but it's OK if Hazard vanishes because he is too young.

Nobody is saying sell him, but if his current form does not improve he should not be starting.