David Luiz

[YouNameIt 1,511]

Luiz is great, whatever some morons here say. He's better than Cahill as CB and he's better than Lampard in the double pivot. He's good in both positions, he's versitile, he obviousley loves the club and the players alot (his dissapointment in the club world cup was a sign of that) and he's said he will play whereever he needs to play.

[zolayes 14,489]

Luiz is great, whatever some morons here say. He's better than Cahill as CB and he's better than Lampard in the double pivot. He's good in both positions, he's versitile, he obviousley loves the club and the players alot (his dissapointment in the club world cup was a sign of that) and he's said he will play whereever he needs to play.

agree with your views about Luiz but just call those who don't misguided not morons. Morons are usually fans of Manure or Scumpool

[Kojo 4,676]

Mikel or Luiz?

Luiz every time!!! The guy has passion and puts himself about he fights for everything, gets the crowd going, can score, gets his team mates going... Do I need to go on?

Whilst you sit there drooling over stats and possession a war on the pitch is happening and Luiz is winning it, whilst Mikel is strolling around with his underpants on his head and 2 pencils up his nose (Blackadder joke)

Seriously, Luiz has shown Mikel for what he is, and sadly for Mikel that's a bench-warmer...

Hahahaha i love the blackadder joke, i remember watching those in history class.

I know you rate Mikel but i don't think he's even a benchwarmer, he doesn't fit the system at all. I like Mikel as a person he's a really nice bloke and it's a shame, but his mentallity on the pitch is also shocking. In the Premier League you cannot be lazy or switch off, only strikers can get away with it and hardly do, look at Berbatov.

He leaves way too many gaps and oppertunities for the other team, whilst he plays it safe and does keep the ball most of the time, winning it back he's useless, and i HATE him in the team when we are 2nd best on the field, because he just gets dominated. He's good on the ball, but awful off the ball, I'm not talking about being aggressive incase some people bring that up. Yes he could be a lot more aggressive and at least put in a tackle and make the opposition think twice for once, however he just lacks the defensive mind.

Gareth Barry is a great covering defensive midfielder, and people are baffled why he even gets so many games for City, he allows the fullbacks to go forward as he covers, he doesn't allow play behind him, between him and the 5/4/3, which ever there is. We already have someone like Luiz, entertaining, ball winner, he definitely needs to mature but we have a good player on our hands. However Mikel is completely useless where he is, we need someone better, someone who is going to do the job and stay deep.

[didierforever 7,349]

Luiz is great, whatever some morons here say. He's better than Cahill as CB and he's better than Lampard in the double pivot. He's good in both positions, he's versitile, he obviousley loves the club and the players alot (his dissapointment in the club world cup was a sign of that) and he's said he will play whereever he needs to play.

agree with your post except the bold part. luiz has better defensive skills than cahill (and for that matter even iva) but i feel cahill is "safer" than luiz and more conventional. tbh i dont like luiz as a cb but simply love him as a dm.

[JDY 1,290]

Don't read it then. No one is forcing you to. We're just voicing our opinions (what a form is for).

Think he's referring to the use of stats in situations when they are not needed or relevant. They are of course useful, but don't often tell the whole story.

[The Skipper 20,593]

I agree about most what you said in there and a brilliant point about defending with the ball.

But I don't think Luiz can be our Toure simply because we play different formations. Yaya plays in a 3-5-2 which allows you to have b2b CMs because you'd still have at least 5 players behind him when he makes his forward runs. I agree that one of the two in the pivot should have more freedom to roam and make forward runs, but not in every attack. I think, even for that role, Luiz has been way out of position way too often. Even if he is given more freedom than Mikel, at no stage should he end up by the opposition's corner flag!

I wasn't necessarily saying Luiz should be out Yaya, was just pointing out similarities in their roles. I agree with your point that he should pick his moments on when to attack, but I don't think Luiz has done too badly when it comes to picking out the right moments due to the nature of our opposition. I'm sure if we face more worthy opposition Luiz will naturally tone it down, and I'm sure Benitez will remind him of that.

[GodZola 630]

imo Luiz seems ideally suited to playing in midfield ... whatever you decide to call the formation ,, sometimes this obsession with the double piivot

makes me want to SCREAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.. Luiiz is athletic ,, with excellent skills and strength ...don't get bogged down with theory

Prob the best post I've seen on here in my short tenure back!

Feel the same, this double pivot nonsense makes my blood boil - its mostly all you here about when discussing our midfield/ers.....

As for Luiz, I've said before this guy is a footballer so his talent is wasted as a defender, he has the skill, energy & most of all vision to play in midfield. I only see this move from defence in to midfield as a win-win situation & a very positive step, Benitez has been given plenty of stick but you have to give credit when its due - he ain't afraid to make changes, be it positioning or tactics.

[Henrique 9,133]

"...while Luiz, doing much vital ball-winning in advanced areas, ran the show – though his shooting needs a lot of work before it comes near the Lampard class."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/match-report-david-luiz-carries-off-frank-lampard-impression-with-aplomb-in-chelseas-victory-at-norwich-8431475.html

Its nice to see this kind of review and compare to with some of hypercritical "fans" reaction, well these guys must be in 3 groups:

1- The ones that that were saying Luiz would never play well in the mid, and now they are just denying the fact they were wrong.

2- Those who believe Luiz playing in the mid is related with Lampard's fate, so they want to believe Luiz is shit in the mid and so we need more option in the sector, so Lampard is the answear.

3- People who hate Luiz and just want to keep trolling.

[Land 331]

Pretty funny,everyone outside the chelsea fanbase thinks that Luiz is an amazing DM,skysports gave him a 9 rating vs Norwich,goal.com gave him motm in the past 2 games yet here we dont really trust him, and rightly so.The thing is that he is a inconsistent midfielder.There are some points in which he looks like the second coming of Redondo and in other moments he looks like a clueless baller playing a sunday game with his neighborhood pals.

I say stick him as DM until Mikel comes back from AFCON, by that time we can make a proper judgment and see if he should continue there are stick him as a CB

[Kieran. 6,317]

I don't think he's that good as a midfielder yet, but a few more games under his belt and I think he'll be much better.

[Henrique 9,133]

Pretty funny,everyone outside the chelsea fanbase thinks that Luiz is an amazing DM,skysports gave him a 9 rating vs Norwich,goal.com gave him motm in the past 2 games yet here we dont really trust him, and rightly so.The thing is that he is a inconsistent midfielder.There are some points in which he looks like the second coming of Redondo and in other moments he looks like a clueless baller playing a sunday game with his neighborhood pals.

I say stick him as DM until Mikel comes back from AFCON, by that time we can make a proper judgment and see if he should continue there are stick him as a CB

Whos "we"? Perhaps the same people who were saying days ago that Cahill was so good that he was the perfect choice for next captain...a bunch of idiots is different from the Chelsea fanbase.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

"...while Luiz, doing much vital ball-winning in advanced areas, ran the show – though his shooting needs a lot of work before it comes near the Lampard class."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/match-report-david-luiz-carries-off-frank-lampard-impression-with-aplomb-in-chelseas-victory-at-norwich-8431475.html

Its nice to see this kind of review and compare to with some of hypercritical "fans" reaction, well these guys must be in 3 groups:

1- The ones that that were saying Luiz would never play well in the mid, and now they are just denying the fact they were wrong.

2- Those who believe Luiz playing in the mid is related with Lampard's fate, so they want to believe Luiz is shit in the mid and so we need more option in the sector, so Lampard is the answear.

3- People who hate Luiz and just want to keep trolling.

It's not hypocritical. Luiz was shit yesterday but because Norwich couldn't mount any attack, the fact that Luiz was often 25 yards away from where he should have been went unnoticed. He also had players go around him in the first 30 minutes like nothing because he didn't know where to be. His passing before Lampard came on was under 80%, his long balls were a very poor 3 for 7 and his tackling and interceptions were poor. (That part is usually good.) And as for "Ball-winning"? He had zero interceptions and 2 tackles. How exactly did he win the ball? The irony there is that he usually is a ball winner in a more defensive role because he's so good at reading the play and stepping up and intercepting the ball. As for being like Lampard in running the show? He was 3 for 7 on long balls. In the past two games, he's been 8 for 17. Lampard? 12 for 12. Luiz was our second worst player according to whoscored.com (the invisible Torres not surprisingly being the worst). Even without the stats, there is no way you can watch that game and think that he was good. Based on what? Two really good passes? That doesn't mean he's always going to be bad, he might play the same position and be great tomorrow, maybe he'll turn out to be a fantastic midfielder, but the people who refuse to admit when he has a bad game are just as annoying as the ones who refuse to see when he has a good one.

[Henrique 9,133]

It's not hypocritical. Luiz was shit yesterday but because Norwich couldn't mount any attack, the fact that Luiz was often 25 yards away from where he should have been went unnoticed. He also had players go around him in the first 30 minutes like nothing because he didn't know where to be. His passing before Lampard came on was under 80%, his long balls were a very poor 3 for 7 and his tackling and interceptions were poor. (That part is usually good.) And as for "Ball-winning"? He had zero interceptions and 2 tackles. How exactly did he win the ball? The irony there is that he usually is a ball winner in a more defensive role because he's so good at reading the play and stepping up and intercepting the ball. As for being like Lampard in running the show? He was 3 for 7 on long balls. In the past two games, he's been 8 for 17. Lampard? 12 for 12. Luiz was our second worst player according to whoscored.com (the invisible Torres not surprisingly being the worst). Even without the stats, there is no way you can watch that game and think that he was good. Based on what? Two really good passes? That doesn't mean he's always going to be bad, he might play the same position and be great tomorrow, maybe he'll turn out to be a fantastic midfielder, but the people who refuse to admit when he has a bad game are just as annoying as the ones who refuse to see when he has a good one.

Not sure what is hypocritical, what I know is you are a poster that is saying Lampard should stay and you even insulted a poster days ago who said Lampard wasnt missed by the time he was injured. You are part of the group 2, perhaps, and the fact you are talking about Lampard here only proves it. Stats and more stats, and only a die hard Lampard's fan would say he was better than Luiz in that Aston Villa game. Only an idiot would say Luiz was shit in game that even the motm (Mata) had only a timid peformance, if Luiz was shit, so 80% of the team were.

[Sheva. 5,373]

He had zero interceptions and 2 tackles. How exactly did he win the ball?

Mikel did all the intercepting, but i remember in the first half when he made a nice tackle and put Mata in on goal.

And all the part about positioning: Mikel was the DM while Luiz had the license to go forward. It was just like the game when we played Romeu and Mikel together, this time Mikel was the one able to go forward, but he didn't play nearly as well as Luiz did.

Imo some people are judging him too harshly considering he's only made 3 starts in the position, he has been doing well enough. Might not be ready to play against the big boys yet, but surely we have a good option against the lesser teams.

[Henrique 9,133]

Mikel did all the intercepting, but i remember in the first half when he made a nice tackle and put Mata in on goal.

And all the part about positioning: Mikel was the DM while Luiz had the license to go forward. It was just like the game when we played Romeu and Mikel together, this time Mikel was the one able to go forward, but he didn't play nearly as well as Luiz did.

Imo some people are judging him too harshly considering he's only made 3 starts in the position, he has been doing well enough. Might not be ready to play against the big boys yet, but surely we have a good option against the lesser teams.

Thats my point, and I really dont get it, he played well enough in his 3 starts and the team were solid in all 3 matches. Not saying this all related to Luiz, but thats a fact, so I really dont know why a bunch of these clowns are "juding him too harshly", some of them were the same people saying RDM was way better than Benitez and that the spaniard would not survive more than 5 games.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Mikel did all the intercepting, but i remember in the first half when he made a nice tackle and put Mata in on goal.

And all the part about positioning: Mikel was the DM while Luiz had the license to go forward. It was just like the game when we played Romeu and Mikel together, this time Mikel was the one able to go forward, but he didn't play nearly as well as Luiz did.

Imo some people are judging him too harshly considering he's only made 3 starts in the position, he has been doing well enough. Might not be ready to play against the big boys yet, but surely we have a good option against the lesser teams.

The attacking player does have the licence to go forward, but it's limited. His positioning when he was playing there was basically where Oscar was playing. We really played a 4-1-5 for most of the game. It's not only how forward he got, it's where. He went on the wings more than one occasion. You can't do that as a central midfielder. One of the reason this annoys me so much is how much people got on Lampard for going forward and in the entire time he's played in the pivot, he's never gone anywhere near where Luiz went and his positioning was never even remotely as bad.

[Sheva. 5,373]

The attacking player does have the licence to go forward, but it's limited. His positioning when he was playing there was basically where Oscar was playing. We really played a 4-1-5 for most of the game. It's not only how forward he got, it's where. He went on the wings more than one occasion. You can't do that as a central midfielder. One of the reason this annoys me so much is how much people got on Lampard for going forward and in the entire time he's played in the pivot, he's never gone anywhere near where Luiz went and his positioning was never even remotely as bad.

I was one of the people who complained about Lampard. I didn't care when he did it against the lesser teams at the beginning of the season, but he did this against Atletico in the super cup and they hit us on the counter every time.

Luiz has not played against any good teams yet, but he's also shown he can stay back - which he did when Mikel went off yesterday.

Anyway one of the reasons i like Ramires in the pivot despite his god-awful passing is his ability to track back when we lose the ball, he could be in the opposition half and still recover in time to help the defenders, great guy

[Land 331]

Zero interceptions?That's impossible,I clearly remember him making at least 2 that even lad to counters.