🇧🇷 David Luiz

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Well his failure to track Anichebe did cost us two points against West Brom. If he'd actually marked him then he probably wouldn't have scored and we'd probably have two more points....but yeah, what's two points matter??

Same as last game against Fulham where John Terry let Dempsey head the ball inside the box. Victor's play and movement was actually a lot better than Dempsey's who was mostly static. These types of "errors" take place all the time otherwise there wouldn't be goals.

If DL had made the same mistake the announcers would've been all over him. That's why I think he should leave ASAP.

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He's a good DM but that's not his position and we already have Matic there to do the defending. No point in a Luiz-Matic pivot IMO. Only if we want to go really defensive.

You may as well start calling for Mourinho's head because there is no such thing as really defensive on one of his teams. That other player in the pivot has to be a fairly good defender there's no two ways about this (at least with the current system).

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Same as last game against Fulham where John Terry let Dempsey head the ball inside the box. Victor's play and movement was actually a lot better than Dempsey's who was mostly static. These types of "errors" take place all the time otherwise there wouldn't be goals.

If DL had made the same mistake the announcers would've been all over him. That's why I think he should leave ASAP.

If you want to bring up a mistake made by another defender in response to ones made by Luiz then I'm happy to do that. Of course it's a little easier for me, I mean Luiz made two in the game before that against Newcastle letting De Jong get away from in the box and also playing Newcastle onside.

But if you think he should leave because those nasty commentators keep picking on him then that's fine. I want him to leave to but that's because he's not a good enough defender to represent Chelsea Football Club. But what an Instagram account.

Luiz is not a top CB.

Exactly. If he was, he'd be playing for us week in and week out regardless of Cahill's form.

But if anyone disagrees then that's fine....they can also have a guess at how many more times Luiz will play CB in a Chelsea shirt. I'll set the over/under at 2.5 games.

[bushman 2,043]

If Barca pays 32m for Luiz, let him go. Money received, money allocated for a striker.

[didierforever 7,349]

Vidal and Pogba could be a possibility as Serie A is such a weak league now, if they are ambitious then maybe a move here would interest them, but either way i think its worth us spending big on a world class CM and ST as that would make us one of the top 3 teams on the planet!

Mqybe pogba but can't see someone like vidal doing that. Seems like a old lady fan thru and thru. Would be shocked if he accepted the move.

I feel striker and a LB are a priority. We definitely need a good proper LB even rhough azpi's been phenomenol. As for CMs. Someone like kroos would ve pwrfect alongside matic but rambo n luiz are no pushovers too

[Rmpr 8,977]

There was a period last year that I honestly thought David Luiz would grow to become one of the best defenders on Earth. However, as the time went by he not only didnt progress, but he actually regressed A LOT. Today, Luiz is more of a liability than anything else!

He doesnt seem focused, it is very weird. He walks on the pitch like his actions have no consequence. He is not even half the player he was under Benitez (not that its Jose's fault). I doubt he will ever become a starter again!

We still have Zouma, Kalas, Ake, etc., so I would sell him to Barcelona for 25mi without even thinking twice. We would be getting our money back and Spanish football fits him perfectly, a great deal for both parts.

I still believe he can become the player we all want him to be; the problem is that I dont believe he will do it here at Chelsea...

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If you want to bring up a mistake made by another defender in response to ones made by Luiz then I'm happy to do that. Of course it's a little easier for me, I mean Luiz made two in the game before that against Newcastle letting De Jong get away from in the box and also playing Newcastle onside.

What you define as a mistake is very different than what I define as one. At the end of the day, each player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Victor's was not a mistake the same way Dempsey's header wasn't one either. You call them mistakes and I disagree.

The better teams I've seen play the game realize it's impossible to stop the truly great players - who you eventually have to face if to win anything of importance. BTW, mediocre players CAN have great moments, just not as often. So, they've realized that the only way to stop a Messi or a Ronaldo is to keep the football away from them. It is to anticipate and pressurize them so that they don't have time to think and no time on the ball. Our defense does exactly the opposite - very Jose.

But if you think he should leave because those nasty commentators keep picking on him then that's fine. I want him to leave to but that's because he's not a good enough defender to represent Chelsea Football Club. But what an Instagram account.

Yes he's a terrible defender according to the same pundits, because he can do no right. We should let him go for free... no wait... apparently we are waiting for the "right offer" in the 30 million... kinda steep for a bad defender.

Exactly. If he was, he'd be playing for us week in and week out regardless of Cahill's form.

Right because every club in the world plays exactly the same way. That's why other clubs are lining up offers for Cahill

But if anyone disagrees then that's fine....they can also have a guess at how many more times Luiz will play CB in a Chelsea shirt. I'll set the over/under at 2.5 games.

Since we are guessing stuff now, how do you think he's going to do if and when he moves to Barcelona?! Would their style of play maybe, just maybe, suite his own style a bit better than Jose's? Same as DL did better for Chelsea under different conditions and management?

Does anyone remember Terry and Cahill playing a very high defense line under AVB?! I do.

My money is that he's going to be massive for Barcelona, which is the reason I wouldn't sell him to them. Offer him to PSG for example or even Bayern who seem to have shown interest as well (such a bad defender).

Ppl here say JT and Cahill are the best CB pairing in Europe and I couldn't disagree more. There was a recent article talking about why RM's pairing is the best in the world and I have to agree. Our CBs can only play one way: very deep. RM's can play deep and high up the pitch that allows them to switch styles during a match with the same players without losing anything.

To the insane poster below me, it is you who have to do the convincing, of why top clubs want to acquire such a bad player as you describe him.

[lionsden 4,689]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

The Luiz I am watching right now for brazil is definitely a great defender. Whether or not he's the same person playing for Chelsea is a different matter all together lol.

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What you define as a mistake is very different than what I define as one. At the end of the day, each player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Victor's was not a mistake the same way Dempsey's header wasn't one either. You call them mistakes and I disagree.

A failure to track a runner is a mistake. Doing it in crunch situations like the 87th minute is a massive mistake.

The better teams I've seen play the game realize it's impossible to stop the truly great players - who you eventually have to face if to win anything of importance. BTW, mediocre players CAN have great moments, just not as often. So, they've realized that the only way to stop a Messi or a Ronaldo is to keep the football away from them. It is to anticipate and pressurize them so that they don't have time to think and no time on the ball. Our defense does exactly the opposite - very Jose.

It was a very simple run by a very average player. We're talking about Victor fucking Anichebe here

Yes he's a terrible defender according to the same pundits, because he can do no right. We should let him go for free... no wait... apparently we are waiting for the "right offer" in the 30 million... kinda steep for a bad defender.

We don't need to sell him, and Barcelona need a defender. If you hadn't noticed there aren't many world class defenders available so even certain players who can't get in the first team are fairly expensive - same went for Mata. Price isn't dependent solely on the quality of the player in question (a basic error you keep on making) but on the supply of similar players.

Right because every club in the world plays exactly the same way. That's why other clubs are lining up offers for Cahill

Another ridiculous point that you keep on making and should probably stop. No offers have been made for John Terry. No offers have been reported for Messi in the last couple of years either.

Do you know why? Because the club who owns the player has to be a willing seller. We wouldn't sell Cahill for a fee that wasn't extortionate but we would sell Luiz. Understand?

Since we are guessing stuff now, how do you think he's going to do if and when he moves to Barcelona?! Would their style of play maybe, just maybe, suite his own style a bit better than Jose's? Same as DL did better for Chelsea under different conditions and management?

Does anyone remember Terry and Cahill playing a very high defense line under AVB?! I do.

My money is that he's going to be massive for Barcelona, which is the reason I wouldn't sell him to them. Offer him to PSG for example or even Bayern who seem to have shown interest as well (such a bad defender).

Ppl here say JT and Cahill are the best CB pairing in Europe and I couldn't disagree more. There was a recent article talking about why RM's pairing is the best in the world and I have to agree. Our CBs can only play one way: very deep. RM's can play deep and high up the pitch that allows them to switch styles during a match with the same players without losing anything.

To the insane poster below me, it is you who have to do the convincing, of why top clubs want to acquire such a bad player as you describe him.

I think he'll be a fine player for Barca....and I'd love to see him in the starting line-up against us because I wouldn't put it past him to fuck up under pressure.

I've also not seen anyone here say Cahill and Terry were the best CB pairing in Europe - am I misremembering or are you lying?

Either way they're the best pairing in this league and they're the best pairing in our club....long may they continue. :blue scalf: :blue scalf:

[lionsden 4,689]

The Luiz I am watching right now for brazil is definitely a great defender. Whether or not he's the same person playing for Chelsea is a different matter all together lol.

And that right there is my biggeat issue with him and oscar. I had rather have players whose best performamces are usually at club level playing for chelsea than vice versa.

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A failure to track a runner is a mistake. Doing it in crunch situations like the 87th minute is a massive mistake.

It was a very simple run by a very average player. We're talking about Victor fucking Anichebe here

We don't need to sell him, and Barcelona need a defender. If you hadn't noticed there aren't many world class defenders available so even certain players who can't get in the first team are fairly expensive - same went for Mata. Price isn't dependent solely on the quality of the player in question (a basic error you keep on making) but on the supply of similar players.

Another ridiculous point that you keep on making and should probably stop. No offers have been made for John Terry. No offers have been reported for Messi in the last couple of years either.

Do you know why? Because the club who owns the player has to be a willing seller. We wouldn't sell Cahill for a fee that wasn't extortionate but we would sell Luiz. Understand?

I think he'll be a fine player for Barca....and I'd love to see him in the starting line-up against us because I wouldn't put it past him to fuck up under pressure.

I've also not seen anyone here say Cahill and Terry were the best CB pairing in Europe - am I misremembering or are you lying?

Either way they're the best pairing in this league and they're the best pairing in our club....long may they continue. :blue scalf: :blue scalf:

And you think Dempsey is a lot better than Victor?! Whatever...

My point about Cahill is not really a point or opinion, but a fact. Cahill's valuation is what it is... same applies to Luiz.

Yeah we've seen a lot of teams putting Barca under pressure especially us. Of course it's going to be VERY difficult to put Barca under pressure with our CBs sitting inside our six-yard-box. Even when we beat them we did NOT put them under pressure and it was quite the other way around actually.

People apparently have already forgotten Cahill's and Terry's performances under AVB's high pressure/possession game. And I am not saying he was right - it's up to the manager to work with the squad he's got. Just to emphasize that players' form depend on the system used and whether it benefits them or not.

I hope I am wrong because if I am right, playing against Barca with him as a CB/CM combo player is going to be very difficult.

My personal opinion is that we didn't win the CL because of a solid defense, because of Cahill, Luiz, or Mata. We won because we had a very special player in the team and that was Drogba.

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And you think Dempsey is a lot better than Victor?! Whatever...

Huh?? No. I think it was catastrophic defending.

My point about Cahill is not really a point or opinion, but a fact. Cahill's valuation is what it is... same applies to Luiz.

So Cahill's valuation is a 'fact' is it then Rafa? If it's a fact you wouldn't mind telling me what his valuation is right now then.

My personal opinion is that we didn't win the CL because of a solid defense, because of Cahill, Luiz, or Mata. We won because we had a very special player in the team and that was Drogba.

Well, you're half right. We won because we were lucky. Simple as that.

People apparently have already forgotten Cahill's and Terry's performances under AVB's high pressure/possession game.

Fuck me, Cahill only played 3 fucking times under AVB and they never played together. You can throw Ivanovic, Bosingwa, Luiz and even Cole into that category of 'not performing under AVB'.

Your commitment to Luiz is laudable but if you want to keep doing it in future you may need to learn French or Spanish.

Oh, and he might be valuable to Barca and their world class manager but he's not that valuable to Jose Mourinho, and that's all that matters. Too much time spent talking about a sub.

Oh, and nice Instagram account Dave - that's what's held JT back from being a great defender.

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Huh?? No. I think it was catastrophic defending.

So Cahill's valuation is a 'fact' is it then Rafa? If it's a fact you wouldn't mind telling me what his valuation is right now then.

Well, you're half right. We won because we were lucky. Simple as that.

Fuck me, Cahill only played 3 fucking times under AVB and they never played together. You can throw Ivanovic, Bosingwa, Luiz and even Cole into that category of 'not performing under AVB'.

Your commitment to Luiz is laudable but if you want to keep doing it in future you may need to learn French or Spanish.

Oh, and he might be valuable to Barca and their world class manager but he's not that valuable to Jose Mourinho, and that's all that matters. Tata.

Sure, David Luiz valuation is 25M which is how much we paid for him. The current valuation is something between that and what Chelsea and Barcelona agree next summer. Now if you want the most current valuation of David Luiz, that is 21m euros which was the ACTUAL offer we got from Barcelona last summer. Either way, really not rocket science.

Cahill and John Terry are too slow to play in a high defense line.

Agree on Jose's and it's not surprising concerning how his teams play.

David Luiz is a Chelsea player and I merely remember the GOOD and VERY GOOD performances he HAS had for Chelsea in defense and midfield.

The moment David Luiz is sold, I will watch him for Brazil and that's about it. Won't lose my sleep one bit - this is entertainment and as far from a job as it gets.

BTW, I don't think Brazil are contenders, aside from playing at home, and it's certainly not because of David Luiz. This is the best defender pairing I've even seen for Brazil. Unfortunately, that's not what wins World Cups: Brazil are a bit short on Drogbas this time around. Instead we've got Fred and Jo...

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Of course he'll look great next to Thiago Silva, he's the best defender in the World. Brazil also play a high pressing system & high line which suits Luiz's style.

Terry & Cahill excel in a completely opposite defensive setup.

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I dont think chelsea will ever get to see brazil Luiz.

the team makeup wont allow it.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10676750/Barcelona-to-bid-25m-for-Chelseas-David-Luiz-now-that-Carles-Puyol-is-on-his-way.html

interesting read.

I totally buy the idea he wasn't the one who refused to join Barcelona (convenient for him to say it) and it was Chelsea who turned down the 21m bid. It would be disappointing, but not the first time I've seen it happen (the sulking that follows).

That's the reason the club is always first - players (any) come and go.

[zolayes 14,489]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

and i believe you know EVERYTHING ..or think you do

luiz IS a good potentially a great defender ,,,

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and i believe you know EVERYTHING ..or think you do

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

Jesus christ the ammount of ignorance, stupidity and prejudice against Luiz is absolutley stunning.

I can definatley see a smiliar case like with Sturridge. People were telling themselfes that Danny was a selfish cunt becase he was trying to score goals for Chelsea and because he was (possibly) frustrated for the way he was treated here. Now just look at him, absolutley flourished and there is no fucking sign of him being selfish what so ever. And regarding selfish...every striker has some of that and its needed, because in the end, they are meant to score goals.

Another thing is people say we look shaky in the defense when Luiz is CB. Well anyone claiming that this is simply only related to Luiz is blind and dont know shit about football. We've played much better as a team lately and just bare in mind, with Luiz+Matic as DMs for instance, it makes the life for the CBs a HELL lot of easier.

Even with Luiz+Ramires because Luiz makes a lot of interceptions/tackles and whatnot. He actually breaks up the oppositions team alot more than he gets credit for. And just like people say HE COULD HAVE costs us points yada yada yada you could say the same thing about the fact that if he sometimes doesnt make that "reckless" tackle or whatnot, a really dangerous goalscoring opportunity could occur against us.