English Freak 456 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 And what makes me laugh is how quick people are to trying and hide his mistakes instead of saying what he did was complete and utter awful.The fact of the matter is there was a number of players to blame, and Luiz being one of them, this is the Luiz thread and he is topic of discussion.Jose will not tolerate amateurish mistakes, this goes for anyone, or they will be dropped...that simple.It doesn't really matter if he's dropped...Cahill's just as clueless as Luiz at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 And what makes me laugh is how quick people are to trying and hide his mistakes instead of saying what he did was complete and utter awful.The fact of the matter is there was a number of players to blame, and Luiz being one of them, this is the Luiz thread and he is topic of discussion.Jose will not tolerate amateurish mistakes, this goes for anyone, or they will be dropped...that simple.No one is saying Luiz didn't make a mistake though, don't get it twisted. It's just that some are saying he's the main culprit for the goal which I disagree with. Barbara and zolayes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 No one is saying Luiz didn't make a mistake though, don't get it twisted. It's just that some are saying he's the main culprit for the goal which I disagree with.Henrique summed it perfectly ,,it was collective mistakes ,,,IMO there were at least 4 defenders at fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 No one is saying Luiz didn't make a mistake though, don't get it twisted. It's just that some are saying he's the main culprit for the goal which I disagree with.Which is exactly what I have said in both match thread and in here. The said players mentioned are all as culpable as each other, proper heads gone moment.One, along with shit finishing that cost us the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Maybe if you see the goal again, you will notice that there was no other blue shirt closing down Barkley. Anyhow, blaming Luiz had always been an easy cop-out for commentators, so there you go.I don't want to get involved in placing the blames because the goal has already been over analyzed, but Schurrle had Barkley covered. This is a pic from the article a member here wrote to analyze the goal: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_juan 64 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I don't want to get involved in placing the blames because the goal has already been over analyzed, but Schurrle had Barkley covered. This is a pic from the article a member here wrote to analyze the goal:That is why it is always advised to look at videos and not screen shots in isolation Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 That is why it is always advised to look at videos and not screen shots in isolationI'm the member who posted it , and I did look up at it . I'm not really sure what the argument is about but there was zero need for Luiz to jump on and press when Schurrle is nearby and yes I watched the game 3-4 times . TorontoChelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 That is why it is always advised to look at videos and not screen shots in isolationThat's from Jamie Redknapp's column isn't it?Just go by the comment section and read them all, especially the highly rated ones. Yes, it was bad positioning on his part, so what?! The defensive line failed including Cech. With Cole, JT, and Iva, they could've marked individually, but remained zonal. So, yes, David was to blame IMO, but blaming him alone for the goal is absolutely ridiculous as the entire defense failed to handle that ball.I wonder if David gets a free pass to move up especially when Mikel plays. So, the reasoning might be that Mikel would cover for him. I mention this because his forward runs seem to bother people for some strange reason. Ironically, he rarely (as in never) makes them when playing for Brazil.If we are going to lose every game in which we concede a goal when playing away from home, this is going to be a very very long season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 That is why it is always advised to look at videos and not screen shots in isolationI did watch the video. He just needlessly took a couple of steps forward and left JT and Iva out numbered. Granted that others made mistakes in the goal as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 What happened in the goal: Ramires failed to mark an Everton player who received the ball. Luiz went to mark him and let Ivanovic to mark 2 players. It was a typical collective mistake, I dont know why Luiz is an easy target for the idiots. pHaRaOn, semiller1313 and Sheva. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Also, we fans, in general, have this strange reasoning that when we swap players we gain the replacement's virtues without his shortcomings. It's as if we purposely forget the weakness of the player who (in our opinion) should've played TM. Perhaps it's just a case of "the grass is always greener..."My point being that when Cahill is on, his weaknesses are exploitable, tracking back, lack of mobility and his lesser contribution in attack (compared to David). It's the same when David plays, we have to handle -- as a team -- his shortcomings. That's called teamwork.Terry and Cahill are the same player; they have the same virtues as well as shortcomings. They are both very good in the air, composed, but lack agility and mobility. The team becomes more stretched when they play because they don't push forward with the other lines. David and either one of them makes a perfect pairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 God it happens, all the time, its not the end of the world. We should have scored about five in that game and it wouldnt matter. WE NEED GOALS FROM SOMEWHERE.I was very hopeful this year, but we don't seem to be carrying on as we left off last year. Come on guys, lets do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeChuck 22 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm starting to hate this guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeChuck 22 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm starting to hate this guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Barbara 15,149 Posted September 18, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm starting to hate the kind of thing I read here... Blue Armour, zolayes, Beirut_Blues and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 He was one of our best players tonight he ran his heart out and constantly got the ball back when others wasted it, really impressed tonight. God job shame about most of the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm starting to hate the kind of thing I read here...Im starting to love this girl ,,,talks so much sense Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Ah and the "blame Luiz for every goal/loss" song is slowly starting up again I see. Henrique and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Ah and the "blame Luiz for every goal/loss" song is slowly starting up again I see.Its within reason, i mean what was he doing for Benteke's goal last month? and his performance in the 5-3 defeat to Arsenal shows he is a liability, its like he wasn't even playing Blue Armour, Barbara and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Ah and the "blame Luiz for every goal/loss" song is slowly starting up again I see.Mikel didn't play enough after all, so it's Luiz's turn now... Barbara, The Skipper and CHOULO19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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