🇧🇷 David Luiz

[robsblubot 3,595]

The mental aspect of the game is extremely overvalued in England for whatever reason. Whatever, just don’t hold your breath until you win a trophy at international level or play good football because you really need technique for either.

As a Brazil supporter, I’m not worried at all about David’s progression. I reckon a move away from Chelsea would have been very good for him, especially to a more flamboyant team like Barcelona. I’d not say move away from England, because I think he’d do very well in other systems such as Arsenal's or even City's for example. IMO he made a career mistake by not forcing his move away when Barcelona offer came in. Not playing him will certainly force him out by Jan - pre world cup is a great time to force players out actually.

So, in 5-10 games we will see how things stand. He either starts or he will move on, and we will need to shop for another defender to start or perhaps move Ivanovic back to CB and buy another RB - he’s also a lot better than Cahill.

While I think David has been playing poorly this season, supporters and pundits have more of a problem with his style not his current form; his characteristics as a player hasn’t changed and will not change much. That’s actually what Chelsea bought for 25m, because he was exactly the same at Benfica. Not to mention that some of the criticism stems from the push to start the fantastic Gary Cahill.

The irony of it to me is that the style these same pundits and supporters want Chelsea to use does not match the type of players the club have been acquiring. David being just one of them. If you can’t see the trend there, oh well.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Aaaaaand they're back at it. Amazing.

Half the team will be dropped after that shambolic second half performance against Newcastle, not just Luiz. I hope Lampard and Cole are also dropped, along with Luiz and Hazard.

[Phil Driver 503]

We are not talking about International football ,we are talking about performances in England in the Premier league ,many players fail to adapt to English fooball which is by the way the top league in the world according to many and certainly in the top three . By the way I like Luiz as a midfileder but for some reason he is not considered and remember that is where the waiter used him .

[Barbara 15,149]

Barbara I appreciate your response and stand by what I think regarding Luiz right now. I really think he is a talented guy but one that leaves you in complete jaw dropping moments at the basics he get's wrong.

Your love for him is clouding your judgement IMO, so agree to disagree on this one.

Best wishes.

I guess we stand at the same position actually. He's in bad form, he has problems that aren't smaller and shouldn't be overlooked. I guess the part we disagreed is how many chances should he be given. Mourinho will give him plenty, I'm sure of it. Which is why I said others are also receiving chances not based in their performances, but in their potential.

I wrote a lot, and if you look back in all my posts here in the last two weeks you'll find me always saying the same: Luiz is a better CB, Cahill is in better form. In one of those posts (today's) I even said I'd play Cahill tomorrow (and every big game) and Luiz in the EPL given the kind of opponents we'll face until Arsenal until Luiz recovers his form.

Now guilty as charged where it comes to my love. Among all Brazilian players in the world, there's none I love more than David Luiz. None.

[Phil Driver 503]

Agree he could be brilliant in Spain ,English football may not be his gig it is very different and he will need to adapt if he wants to be a centre half here.

English football will not adapt for him and English club football is as succesful as anywhere in Europe,the small teams in England will not give you an easy time like in Spain ,they will give you a fight like at Newcastle ,that is what makes it the most watched in the world.

[robsblubot 3,595]

We are not talking about International football ,we are talking about performances in England in the Premier league ,many players fail to adapt to English fooball which is by the way the top league in the world according to many and certainly in the top three . By the way I like Luiz as a midfileder but for some reason he is not considered and remember that is where the waiter used him .

yes, because England is special...

How many English players start for Chelsea, City, United, or any other top side? Once you go to the bottom half of the table and Championship, then you see more starters, but there is a reason for that.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Seems like everyone is overreacting to me. He's just in a bad run of form. And I don't know why he's getting so much shit for the Newcastle match, if anything he showed leadership by taking upon himself to try to create something when the midfield was failing so bad.<br /><br />Plus people and Jose keep preaching proactive football instead of reactive football and if that's the case then I don't see how Luiz doesn't make the team often, just gotta get through a rough patch and it'll be fine.<br /><br />Now people even claiming he needs to adapt to England lol. He was our best CB last year, and it wasn't even close. <br />

[robsblubot 3,595]

Seems like everyone is overreacting to me. He's just in a bad run of form. And I don't know why he's getting so much shit for the Newcastle match, if anything he showed leadership by taking upon himself to try to create something when the midfield was failing so bad.<br /><br />Plus people and Jose keep preaching proactive football instead of reactive football and if that's the case then I don't see how Luiz doesn't make the team often, just gotta get through a rough patch and it'll be fine.<br /><br />Now people even claiming he needs to adapt to England lol. He was our best CB last year, and it wasn't even close. <br />

agreed, but like I pointed out in the few posts above, his bad form isn't really the reason he gets so much criticism. It's more about style than form, at least that's what I think.

[Phil Driver 503]

He was so good at centre back he played in midfield a lot of the time ,where I thought he did very well .

[Barbara 15,149]

agreed, but like I pointed out in the few posts above, his bad form isn't really the reason he gets so much criticism. It's more about style than form, at least that's what I think.

the problem is the brainfarts that supposedly come with the style when one thing has nothing to do with the other imo. His pro-activeness and his aggressive has nothing to do with his sloppiness, but everything is put in the same package.

Also, it seems based on what English members post here that his style isn't appreciated in England - where they do a more basic and textbook defending. I think it's England's loss then. They should be teaching their young CBs in academies how to be more proactive.

When he doesn't compromise with his stupid mistakes, I don't see much said in this thread nor in the articles I read (from England) they don't criticize (and of course don't compliment either) his style when he's killing it. The criticism only comes when he makes the mistakes, and it's fair criticism imo, but then they include the style in the convo and that's where I think they're wrong. his style and his sloppiness are two different subjects.

[The Skipper 20,609]

There is always an overreaction when Luiz has a few bad games - always talk that he should be moved on, that he isn't "good enough" for English football...

Just can't wait till he gets into form and shuts up all of the doubters.

[Special Juan 28,140]

There is always an overreaction when Luiz has a few bad games - always talk that he should be moved on, that he isn't "good enough" for English football...

Just can't wait till he gets into form and shuts up all of the doubters.

It's becoming a general consensus with Luiz though, he just is generally poor right now. Let's put love for him and wanting to cuddle him to one side because he makes funny finger gestures on twitter. He's lost the basics of basic defending.

You speak about his doubters as if they hate him, he plays for CFC nobody hates him, but if he isn't doing it he deserves to be dropped, not only dropped but sort his fucking head out. We speak more of his mistakes now because they are becoming more and more prominent, people aren't making this shit up, he's poor but in all this we want him to be this top class centre back people claim he is......fucking show us please David.

Luiz needs to start tuning in and fast.

[The only place to be 11,313]

The mental aspect of the game is extremely overvalued in England for whatever reason.

I can think of plenty of instances where it is talked up in American sports, where 'clutchness' can define a sportsman. I personally think people look far too much at the FIFA stats of a player and completely ignore the fact that the top two inches are the most important part of a sportsperson's body.

David has every single tangible aspect of the game down - it's the intangibles, the focus, the commitment to each and every game that is being called into question.

It's been that day since almost day one at this club too.

There is always an overreaction when Luiz has a few bad games - always talk that he should be moved on, that he isn't "good enough" for English football...

Just can't wait till he gets into form and shuts up all of the doubters.

The fact that there's an apparent prescribed reaction to his 'drops in form' should be a worry shouldn't it? The fact that the same questions have been brought up time and time again in his two and a half years at this club must be ringing some alarm bells, and yet people in this thread have said he needs a bit more time to grow and mature.

No-one is doubting his physical abilities. We've all seen him show that he can be amongst the very best defenders in the world, but it's the fact that fans seem to expect him to throw in something unbelievably stupid once in a while that could be his downfall.

[Jase 43,479]

Time to cheer up this place with a 'What the hell?!' moment...

[robsblubot 3,595]

good read: http://eplindex.com/44085/carmilles-chelsea-column-hazard-david-luiz-joses-preferred-xi.html

Luiz is potentially one of the greatest centre-back prospects as is evident by the attention he has drawn from the likes of La Liga dominating Barcelona. When selected to start alongside Terry or Cahill, Luiz offers pace in the defensive line, but his main strength is his ability on the ball. Luiz has fantastic ability on the ball, his delivery with both feet is excellent and his vision to spot a gap or run of one of the forwards is incredible. Luiz can turn a defence into attack by one defence-splitting pass. Luiz has also showed his technical abilities through his unique free-kicks, leaving nets shattered from a far distance out. But his strengths are often overwhelmed by his blatant mistakes resulting from what can only be a lack of concentration or lack of experience. Jose Mourinho would surely welcome the Brazilian in his starting XI if he could iron out his errors and become a more consistent player.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

What you said and what I said about the kind of players Mourinho wants don't exclude each other. That's where we disagree about Luiz, but as we agreed not to discuss it because I don't really like to discuss one's sportsmanship whoever they may be.

I agree on the minor sides thing. What I meant is that we see Luiz being sloppy - which I don't think it's a conscious decision - against weaker sides. I chose a bad combination of words, and you're right.

We also disagree about who to fault in the City's match. You may not be one of them, but had Luiz made that mistake, this thread wouldn't live to have so many posts blaming him and not Cech. As I said, @JDY saw it coming days before the match. Cahill allows that to happen whenever he plays a striker like Kun or a team like City. If you don't consider it a mistake, it has to be at least a limitation. But if you don't see any, well, it's your opinion, one you're entitled to have.

Play Luiz against top sides and Cahill against the so called 'minor sides'- Problem solved.

[lucio 5,418]

Play Luiz against top sides and Cahill against the so called 'minor sides'- Problem solved.

then the minor sides will just park the bus and our buildup from the back will be so slow and we will not create anything.

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

then the minor sides will just park the bus and our buildup from the back will be so slow and we will not create anything.

Thats why we need to find a new midfielder capable of linking defence to attacking midfield.

Our buildup from the back is slow..but thats because none of our midfielders know what to do with the ball.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

then the minor sides will just park the bus and our buildup from the back will be so slow and we will not create anything.

Abundance of attacking midfield talent and you expect our CB to build up attacking pay from the back?

The reason Oscar withdraws downfield to receive the ball is to do that exact same thing.

[Jase 43,479]