CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It genuinely bemuses when i see comments giving Luiz flack then bigging up Cahill in the same paragraph. Cahill's clearly the new fan sensation, he could probably deliberately score an own goal and most won't bat an eyelid.That is an overstatement to say the least. Just check our last match thread to see the criticism that Garry has received. I think he has been average this season; had a couple of great performances like Tottenham and a couple bad performances like Manu and WBA. He's also popped up with some important goals and an assist.It's a bit harsh saying that people defend Cahill beyond reason especially after defending Luiz when he has had some inexcusable performances the past month. Bosnian Blue, Hannah and Sheva. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 That is an overstatement to say the least. Just check our last match thread to see the criticism that Garry has received. I think he has been average this season; had a couple of great performances like Tottenham and a couple bad performances like Manu and WBA. He's also popped up with some important goals and an assist.It's a bit harsh saying that people defend Cahill beyond reason especially after defending Luiz when he has had some inexcusable performances the past month.I think they have both been awful since the International break yet Luiz gets so much more flack, i have seen comments saying Luiz should not even be considered a CB yet in the same comment suggesting Cahill should be a first choice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Luiz is better then cahill, at least he should be. Cahill is probably still a better defender tho.Cahill might be abit better in the cahill+luiz partnership, but Luiz is ALOT better with Terry than Cahill is with Luiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCount 146 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Cahill might be abit better in the cahill+luiz partnership, but Luiz is ALOT better with Terry than Cahill is with Luiz.Aye but terry wont be around much longer, and if cahill works better with iva, as Terry works well with everyone more or less, we might have to go the route, i really like luiz as ive always said but if he dosent work he dosent work send him to midfield if not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Aye but terry wont be around much longer, and if cahill works better with iva, as Terry works well with everyone more or less, we might have to go the route, i really like luiz as ive always said but if he dosent work he dosent work send him to midfield if not.Ivanovic and Luiz had solid games together last term. Ivanovic and Cahill have played together twice (neither time we kept a clean sheet) we need to wait a while before proclaiming them some great partnership. Plus you say Terry won't be around for ever, Ivan is 29 soon, he isn't too far behind JT himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCount 146 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Ivanovic and Luiz had solid games together last term. Ivanovic and Cahill have played together twice (neither time we kept a clean sheet) we need to wait a while before proclaiming them some great partnership. Plus you say Terry won't be around for ever, Ivan is 29 soon, he isn't too far behind JT himself.Well see how it goes, im not sure about how solid david luiz is full stop but i'd like him to do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I think they have both been awful since the International break yet Luiz gets so much more flack, i have seen comments saying Luiz should not even be considered a CB yet in the same comment suggesting Cahill should be a first choice one.Agree with that one. If Terry were fit, neither should be near the starting XI atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Aye but terry wont be around much longer, and if cahill works better with iva, as Terry works well with everyone more or less, we might have to go the route, i really like luiz as ive always said but if he dosent work he dosent work send him to midfield if not.Yeah I really dont know... not long ago we looked really solid defensively but lately we've looked really shaky.Problem is that if Luiz goes midfield then we need at least 1 more CB, probably 2 even because Terry wont be around for much longer.But I would really like to see something like below here in a game:Azpi - Cahill - Terry - ColeRamires - Luiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaChelsea 37 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 David Luzi! the Cancer of CFC at the moment. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 unbelievable that luiz and torres are still here and rdm is gone. disgrace. xPetrCechx, ChelseaChelsea and Mufassir08 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Rafa will put him in place. Clowning around is over. xPetrCechx and Sheva. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It's simple, Luiz needs Terry next to him to perform his best.If that's true then Luiz is a terrible defender. Relying on other defenders to make him look good. The whole world can see Luiz is a bad defender. Time to stop with your (Chelsea fans in General) delusions. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
different level 1,056 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 David Luzi! the Cancer of CFC at the moment.He's made a lot of mistakes recently but doesn't deserve this. Also I don't know if you get this, but the anti Luiz avatar is also anti Chelsea. You should be ashamed of yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Rafa will put him in place. Clowning around is over.I hope so but Ancelotti, AVB, and RDM all couldn't get Luiz to behave long-term. He had brief periods of greatness followed by relapses into schoolyard football. I don't think any manager says to him "Hey David, how about you just kick the ball long to the other team 2, 3 times a game. Then, sort of wander around the midfield aimlessly for a while and then lose concentration." It's up to Luiz to straighten himself out at this point. Rmpr and didierforever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 That idiot Mano has just been sacked from Brazil.Assuming they bring in Muricy or Tite I dont see him holding that Starting 11 spot with them unless he vastly improves with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaChelsea 37 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 He's made a lot of mistakes recently but doesn't deserve this. Also I don't know if you get this, but the anti Luiz avatar is also anti Chelsea. You should be ashamed of yourself.Very Childish comment. Chelsea always come before Luiz. David Luiz arrived at Chelsea in 2011. Chelsea FC was formed in 1905. Many many defenders before 2011 had served Chelsea FC far better than David Luiz has done and/or been doing. He is 25 years old. By this time he should have the maturity that playing for any club (does not matter big or small) means a lot and you in no circumstances can defend so irresponsibly in so many matches. He is quite clearly the weakest link in our squad and directly responsible for our bad results.You have tried to insult me. But I will in return just say that love CFC for sake of CFC, NOT for D.Luiz or F. Torres.And yes! I am not an anti-Luiz fan. I hope that he stops taking the duty of defending lightly and helps CFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Defenders do not reach their prime till later in their career. I believe we still haven't seen Luiz at his best yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Defenders do not reach their prime till later in their career. I believe we still haven't seen Luiz at his best yet.Hope so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I don't want to wait 4 or 5 seasons to wait until Luiz is in his 'prime years'. We don't have time for that. We can't have 4-5 seasons of Luiz's awful mistakes. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I don't want to wait 4 or 5 seasons to wait until Luiz is in his 'prime years'. We don't have time for that. We can't have 4-5 seasons of Luiz's awful mistakes.The "mistakes" will significantly reduce this season over time, he's just going through a rough patch like any other player does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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