Politics & Stuff

[dave30 728]

Typical bourgeoisie lefties trying to play it down. If it was anything perceived to be right wing or racist you'd all be in tears of self-righteousness demanding a lifetime ban. Footballers shouldn't be messing around with political gestures of any kind on the pitch.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Stupid Jack enticed violence, then. What exactly Anelka meant by it, nobody knows. Perhaps, he saluted his dead friend, then ?

Could say that but I'm sure he knows that gesture is anti- Semitic because of all the controversy with the French comedian.

[bushman 2,043]

Could say that but I'm sure he knows that gesture is anti- Semitic because of all the controversy with the French comedian.

He knows his friend is dead, he salutes him, because he used it...did he mean any harm, did he entice riots, what exactly wrong did he do ?

Shall I or you ask Jewish lobby what to read, what to show, whom to solute...on & on.

Personally, I sick & tired of these Jewish snivelings. Where is the freedom of expression, then ? Do I harm any Jew by watching Hitler movies too ?

[Sidzeret 2,257]

He knows his friend is dead, he salutes him, because he used it...did he mean any harm, did he entice riots, what exactly wrong did he do ?

Shall I or you ask Jewish lobby what to read, what to show, whom to solute...on & on.

Personally, I sick & tired of these Jewish snivelings. Where is the freedom of expression, then ? Do I harm any Jew by watching Hitler movies too ?

Obvious political gesture. No point in arguing about that. He might not have meant any harm but that is not the right way to salute his dead friend.

Lets wait till what Anelka has to say about that.

[Melanicus 5,208]

He knows his friend is dead, he salutes him, because he used it...did he mean any harm, did he entice riots, what exactly wrong did he do ?

Shall I or you ask Jewish lobby what to read, what to show, whom to solute...on & on.

Personally, I sick & tired of these Jewish snivelings. Where is the freedom of expression, then ? Do I harm any Jew by watching Hitler movies too ?

Exactly. This shit goes too far with everything - racism, homophobia, feminism, religion, anti-semitism and so on. Every asshole can find something provocative in one's actions and sue him nowadays.

https://www.facebook.com/nicolasanelka/posts/10151772685411688

This is what Anelka has to say about this.

[bushman 2,043]

Obvious political gesture. No point in arguing about that. He might not have meant any harm but that is not the right way to salute his dead friend.

Lets wait till what Anelka has to say about that.

He already said, no harm was meant.

A political gesture ? Not in my book.

How many people are displaced in Palestine, daily ?

Are we doing anything about it ?

[yuvala 2,167]

He knows his friend is dead, he salutes him, because he used it...did he mean any harm, did he entice riots, what exactly wrong did he do ?

Shall I or you ask Jewish lobby what to read, what to show, whom to solute...on & on.

Personally, I sick & tired of these Jewish snivelings. Where is the freedom of expression, then ? Do I harm any Jew by watching Hitler movies too ?

I'll say it again - it doesn't matter what he meant, if the act is recognized as an anti-semitic one then its wrong that he did it no matter what he actually meant.

You do not harm any one by watching Hitler movies because you keep it to yourself, and what exactly is "hitler movies" anyway?

I truly believe Anelka did not mean any harm and that was just a gesture to his dead friend.

[bushman 2,043]

I'll say it again - it doesn't matter what he meant, if the act is recognized as an anti-semitic one then its wrong that he did it no matter what he actually meant.

You do not harm any one by watching Hitler movies because you keep it to yourself, and what exactly is "hitler movies" anyway?

I truly believe Anelka did not mean any harm and that was just a gesture to his dead friend.

I tell you what kid. Just hit the road! I do not need your idiotic assumptions here.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

He already said, no harm was meant.

A political gesture ? Not in my book.

How many people are displaced in Palestine, daily ?

Are we doing anything about it ?

No harm meant.

Good for him, then.

[yuvala 2,167]

I tell you what kid. Just hit the road! I do not need your idiotic assumptions here.

Alright then I see you've given up.

God I just hate it when people have to take arguments to a place of anger and hate..

And you call ME a kid... lol.

[jasonlol 154]

So Anelka does a reverse Nazi salute and himself says it was to honor his friend who has alligned himself with France’s Front National, and counterintuitively, some Islamist organisations. He has also been convicted for making anti-Semitic remarks on six occasions, and in 2008 was fined 7,000 euros for describing Holocaust remembrance as “memorial pornography”.

Now not all sentences with the word jew in it are antisemitic and not all criticism of Israel is anitsemtic(and im a supporter of israel) but in this case who is anyone kidding? How can anyone defend this case as being anything but fueled by vicious antisemitism.

[Weckerz 3,781]

So Anelka does a reverse Nazi salute and himself says it was to honor his friend who has alligned himself with France’s Front National, and counterintuitively, some Islamist organisations. He has also been convicted for making anti-Semitic remarks on six occasions, and in 2008 was fined 7,000 euros for describing Holocaust remembrance as “memorial pornography”.

Now not all sentences with the word jew in it are antisemitic and not all criticism of Israel is anitsemtic(and im a supporter of israel) but in this case who is anyone kidding? How can anyone defend this case as being anything but fueled by vicious antisemitism.

Exactly, it was disgusting and those who are defending it are either racist to a certain degree themselves, totally oblivious of human history, ignorant or just plain stupid.

[Peace. 4,352]

He did not know that this gesture was anti-semitic because it is NOT anti-semitic. There's nothing to add — except that you people should start thinking by yourself instead of believing words coming from politicians and mainstream medias who are corrupted and under influence of some lobbies.

The vast majority (99%) of the persons labelling this gesture as anti semitic are doing so because some powerful-corrupted-evil men (Bernard-Henri Lévy, that son of bitch) in France have decided so (in order to discredit and marginalize Dieudonné and his opinions). Obviously, the mentally-dead people follow like sheeps that definition without bothering to try to understand by themselves.

[Weckerz 3,781]

He did not know that this gesture was anti-semitic because it is NOT anti-semitic. There's nothing to add — except that you people should start thinking by yourself instead of believing words coming from politicians and mainstream medias who are corrupted and under influence of some lobbies.

The vast majority (99%) of the persons labelling this gesture as anti semitic are doing so because some powerful-corrupted-evil men (Bernard-Henri Lévy, that son of bitch) in France have decided so (in order to discredit and marginalize Dieudonné and his opinions). Obviously, the mentally-dead people follow like sheeps that definition without bothering to try to understand by themselves.

So let me get this straight, the fact he has been condemned in court several times for antisemitism and that he has close ties with Front National should be conveniently ignored here?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I'll say it again - it doesn't matter what he meant, if the act is recognized as an anti-semitic one then its wrong that he did it no matter what he actually meant.

You do not harm any one by watching Hitler movies because you keep it to yourself, and what exactly is "hitler movies" anyway?

I truly believe Anelka did not mean any harm and that was just a gesture to his dead friend.

If I may, I think the issue that bushman (and even LDN) we're trying to make is that: Who determines what is recognized as antisemitic and what is not?

There are a lot of gray areas just like there is with racism, homophobia...etc There are also quite a lot of entangled areas. On the surface, Zionism is about Jews and often Zionism is synonymous with the establishment (oil and weapons companies) but being antiestablishment does not make you antisemitic.

Politicians always use those gray and entangled areas to suppress opinions and causes by labeling them immoral and not "politically correct". It is strategy that is used by both left and right wings.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

So let me get this straight, the fact he has been condemned in court several times for antisemitism and that he has close ties with Front National should be conveniently ignored here?

Nelson Mandella was on the US list of terrorists till 2008. So that makes everyone who supported his cause till that date a terrorist?

The world is unfortunately full of racists, terrorists, antisemitic people, homophobic people...etc but it is also full of people who use those tags to suppress ideas beliefs and causes.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Nelson Mandella was on the US list of terrorists till 2008. So that makes everyone who supported his cause till that date a terrorist?

The world is unfortunately full of racists, terrorists, antisemitic people, homophobic people...etc but it is also full of people who use those tags to suppress ideas beliefs and causes.

If you understood what Front National embodies and how fascism is discretely but surely creeping back in to society you wouldn't shrug it off so easily as nonsense.

The question is wether Anelka knew about what the salute is perceived as by the general public, something you'd assume he does, seeing he is close friends with the man who popularized the gesture in his country.

[Peace. 4,352]

So let me get this straight, the fact he has been condemned in court several times for antisemitism and that he has close ties with Front National should be conveniently ignored here?

Yeah, Dieudonné has been condemned many times by courts — the same courts that refused to respond to the accusations that some muslims associations have made toward some french medias, because those medias published caricatures of Mahomet. Double standard.

Say something or make fun against someone or something that happens to be jew -> you're the brand new Hitler and you shall be ostracized.

Make fun of a holy man who is adored and who is sacred for millions of people -> you're held by all the politicians and medias as the hero and the champion of the so called "freedom of speech".