Politics & Stuff

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Chomsky on the Middle East -how Bill Maher has aged after the ravages of coke n booze

 

[Spike 12,049]

12 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

No.

EDIT: I don't mean to be dry with my answer, but what a weird thing to be concerned with. Even if it were true, which it is not if you ask almost any of the Palestinian Christians living in Bethlehem, it would be at most a local issue of the two; Why in the world would it be an international concern.

Think about it, there are Palestinian Christians living in Bethlehem who are living under Israeli apartheid law just like their Muslim countrymen in Bethlehem and everywhere else in the West Bank, but people's concern is that Muslims are starting to outnumber Christians in the city? That is some strong propaganda...

This is what Christmas looks like for Christians in Bethlehem trying to reach Jerusalem, but sure it's the Muslim Palestinians oppressing them...

 

I was more curious as to why Muslims are outnumbering the old majority. Read somewhere it was from 'ethnic cleansing', which I had my doubts about. I couldn't find any reports on fleeing Palestinian Christians or whatever as English sources are scarce.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

11 minutes ago, Spike said:

I was more curious as to why Muslims are outnumbering the old majority. Read somewhere it was from 'ethnic cleansing', which I had my doubts about. I couldn't find any reports on fleeing Palestinian Christians or whatever as English sources are scarce.

A few reasons, and a warning this may be well out of your region of interest as it's mostly dull and unimportant history:

Firstly, and this is true for Christians in most of the 'Larger Syria' (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine. Jordan) not just Palestine, but Muslims have more kids. Actually now it's starting to even out in most places but in the past couple of hundreds of years, Muslims were known to have more kids than Christians in the region. The main reason for that is that one of the main methods the French and the Brits used to infiltrate the Ottoman empire was through missionaries and groups sent to 'protect' the Christian minorities in the region. In practice they played on stirring up religious and sectarian tensions between the citizens and encouraged the independence of the region. Basically anything to weaken the Ottoman rule. But one of the effects this had is bringing some of the European social and cultural influences (as well as wealth) to just the Christians of the region. That affected everything from education levels to birth rates and even language. To this day, if you walk down most higher-class Christian majority neighborhoods in Lebanon you'll rarely hear a word spoken that is not in French.

Secondly, just like everyone else living under occupation and apartheid in the West Bank, a large percentage of the citizens of Bethlehem seek immigration because of the practically hopeless situation they live in. The difference is that Christian Palestinians are A LOT more likely to be granted immigration (particularly by Scandinavian countries like Denmark and Sweden). This has been true for decades and the (conspiracy) theory is that it is aimed at slowly getting rid of Palestinian Christians as much as possible so that the Palestinian struggle can be misrepresented as a Muslim-Jewish conflict. The theory comes from the tactic that Palestinian Christians are incredible rarely, if ever, allowed to be mentioned in Western/English discourse when talking about the Palestinian struggle. Even if you read this nonsense about them being 'cleansed' by Muslims (which I have a bit) there is never any mention that the Christians in question are Palestinian, nor is any of them actually ever interviewed or asked about what they think about it.

Of course the reality is much more complex, but that is basically the gist of it from what I know. 

[Spike 12,049]

1 hour ago, CHOULO19 said:

A few reasons, and a warning this may be well out of your region of interest as it's mostly dull and unimportant history:

Firstly, and this is true for Christians in most of the 'Larger Syria' (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine. Jordan) not just Palestine, but Muslims have more kids. Actually now it's starting to even out in most places but in the past couple of hundreds of years, Muslims were known to have more kids than Christians in the region. The main reason for that is that one of the main methods the French and the Brits used to infiltrate the Ottoman empire was through missionaries and groups sent to 'protect' the Christian minorities in the region. In practice they played on stirring up religious and sectarian tensions between the citizens and encouraged the independence of the region. Basically anything to weaken the Ottoman rule. But one of the effects this had is bringing some of the European social and cultural influences (as well as wealth) to just the Christians of the region. That affected everything from education levels to birth rates and even language. To this day, if you walk down most higher-class Christian majority neighborhoods in Lebanon you'll rarely hear a word spoken that is not in French.

Secondly, just like everyone else living under occupation and apartheid in the West Bank, a large percentage of the citizens of Bethlehem seek immigration because of the practically hopeless situation they live in. The difference is that Christian Palestinians are A LOT more likely to be granted immigration (particularly by Scandinavian countries like Denmark and Sweden). This has been true for decades and the (conspiracy) theory is that it is aimed at slowly getting rid of Palestinian Christians as much as possible so that the Palestinian struggle can be misrepresented as a Muslim-Jewish conflict. The theory comes from the tactic that Palestinian Christians are incredible rarely, if ever, allowed to be mentioned in Western/English discourse when talking about the Palestinian struggle. Even if you read this nonsense about them being 'cleansed' by Muslims (which I have a bit) there is never any mention that the Christians in question are Palestinian, nor is any of them actually ever interviewed or asked about what they think about it.

Of course the reality is much more complex, but that is basically the gist of it from what I know. 

Thanks, very insightful. In layman's terms, the Palestine Christians have simple fled and been out-bred by the Muslims. Fairly simple, reasoning. It's funny, I didn't even know there was a significant population of Christians that are Palestinian. 

Do the French speakers have a cultural superiority complex?

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9 hours ago, Spike said:

Thanks, very insightful. In layman's terms, the Palestine Christians have simple fled and been out-bred by the Muslims. Fairly simple, reasoning. It's funny, I didn't even know there was a significant population of Christians that are Palestinian. 

Do the French speakers have a cultural superiority complex?

Big time. And probably worse, the non French speakers have a cultural inferiority complex.. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

Mutti is the leader of the free world, officially from the 29th of March.
She is to retain the title until the crazy Don is impeached.
Scotland will also become the number 2 nation.

 

[11Drogba 2,000]

This guy went full Isis, never go full Isis.

[BoyBlue96 990]

The sad part is that Erdogan has a large number of followers...outside of Turkey as well.

Every Turk I know here in Holland supports him. I have on friend (anarchistic, Besiktas supporter) who hates him because he says he's nothing more than a dictator destroying Ataturk's legacy.

And I agree with him. Erdogan is a dangerous man and I seriously fear the day of him snapping his fingers and all Turks in other countries going berserk. Look what happened in Rotterdam. Werther it was or wasn't justified by the Dutch parlement, it was scary to see all those Turks singing his name. Even a Turk from my city and his family traveled all the way to Rotterdam to join the protest.

Sickening and shocking. This guy is worse than Trump. Telling Turks outside of Turkey to not get 3 children but 5 to increase his and Turkey's influence. This man is insane. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

Most of his voters say economy is their biggest concern in elections and for several reasons their per capita GDP increased in the last ten years. Most of their exports go to EU, put sanctions, lower their GDP significantly and see how many supporters he will have.

Last year Russians tourists stopped going there, Erdogan had to swallow his words and beg for Putin's mercy.

 

[Spike 12,049]

Attack in London

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/attack-houses-parliament-london-what-we-know-so-far

[cosmicway 1,333]

I dislike Erdogan and I don't mean the way he treated the military officers responsible for the coup d' etat.
That was a little savage but perhaps to be expected under the circumstances.
I mean the Cyprus talks.
For the first time in 60 years some understanding was reached, but immediately he started hurling insults against Greeks and Cypriots, so the talks collapse. It proves that he wants to keep the Cyprus vendetta alive, even if the proposed solution was one favourable to him.

But I don't get why they did not let his minister speak in Holland.
It was n't threatening public order - let him say what he likes about the Turkish referendum.
The Dutch law does not give the right to foreign lobbies to stage mass rallies, but does not prohibit it either. Why interfere ?
The Dutch did it because it was Turks-asiatics involved and not for legitimate reasons of public order.


 

[lucio 5,418]

British police have done a great job at tackling terrorism, but it's not always enough. European cities are going to be absolute carnarge in the coming decades, any sensible people will be working towards a more simple life in a rural area.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

As we've seen in Nice, Berlin, London and other places, nothing can legislate against a maniac driving a vehicle into crowds of people

[Spike 12,049]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

As we've seen in Nice, Berlin, London and other places, nothing can legislate against a maniac driving a vehicle into crowds of people

Not until scientists discover magic and create a scenario a la Minority Report. Open your eyes, sheeple.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Religion, booze, weapons,...dont kill. Peoples attitude to these things is what kills.

Unless you are introverted psycho, its the outter world that shapes your attitude. 

The actions we see these days are only consecuences that show how perverted, idiotic, corrupted and bad the world is.