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[Peace. 4,352]

55 minutes ago, Spike said:

Yes, I did briefly. The educators are robots that punch out the same lecture five times a day and have perfected the facade of 'caring educator'.

Well, you probably know more than me as you are in the U.S., yet from what I see on the internet and in France, I would rather say that those teacher are not faking it. Actually, they are loving it — they love the mental power they have over their students.

Imagine just an instant the feeling that one can feel when hordes of young people are buying everything you can talk about ; or when a light sparks up in their eyes when you tell them who is behind all atrocities in this world and they are feeling so gratefull to you ; or when you can indoctrinate them to further your own personal agenda, which give you a nice little army of zealots ; etc... — this "empowerment" must be thrilling ! And how could you not care for those you give you the impression to be important ? (this last remark is at a lesser extent true for every one of us).

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10 minutes ago, Spike said:

Yes, the won't learn accounting or anything that is more esoteric. However, it is a good place to start. To learn the value of a dollar, to learn the value of your time, to know that you have to step up to be beyond the rest of the pack, to learn that you will be taxed, and learn the people will walk on all over others. It these basic foundations that people need to learn in their formative years to help them understand where they can go and what they can achieve in the world. It's useless having a degree in political science if you are naive with real world experience.

I feel the problem is a Gordian knot of issues. The more people that get degrees the less valuable they become, but to get a degree one needs to have money, but to get money they need a degree and then when it's all said and done the job now requires four years of experience.

No doubt that education has to be supplemented with real world experience. I haven't worked much in the past and it's come back to bite me in the ass on multiple occasions.

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That's not really the point, I was more specifically talking about Public Enemy, a very black-pride rap group. It's just a funny thought knowing the those guys were backed by a white nerd. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just that some people would be surprised is all, it was more a joke than anything.

True but you cannot deny that there is a very strong anti-white and anti-authority core to BLM. When one of the leaders calls 'white peepo' a genetic defect of blacks, you know something is up. Check out the rhetoric being spewed by Yusra Khogali. Nasty stuff.

Gotcha 

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44 minutes ago, Peace. said:

 

    You are welcome, after all it was (kind of) deserved as I was not very nice to you in my first reply !

 

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    In regards to our debate, you know, it is always very difficult to fully understand what is going on behind the scene because there are a lot of actors who do not necessarily want to achieve the same thing — and each actor does not necessarily have only an unique aim.

    Just to add a little bit more of content to what I "explained" in my previous post, on the 29/01 Dahnald Trump has had a call with Abu Dhabi crown prince and king Salman of Saudi Arabia. One of the topic of their discussion(s) was the fight against terrorism and the desire to create "safe zones" in the region for refugees. And on the 30/01, the vice president received king Abdallah II of Jordan and the fight against terrorism was part of the discussions.

    Now, it is very difficult for us to imagine who could he have called in Syria for instance — Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ? Do you figure what could be the content of the conversation ? "Hello Abu Bakr, what's up ?" "Salam aleykoum Dahnald, labass ?" "Yeah fantastic, but it would be tremendous if you told your guys to calm down a little with the beheadings and the captagone" "Yeah inch'Allah.." !! On a serious note, it is the same problem with any country — or rather territory — which is controlled by a terrorist organisation(s) : Yemen, Somalia, Sudan (?), mountains on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc..

    Well, of course it might have been merely a posture — I do not know since I was not on the other end of the line. Nevertheless, I guess it exemplifies what I was talking about : while you have the possibility to have diplomatic relations with any muslim countries, you have no possibility to negociate and collaborate with (islamic) "authorities" that controls (partially or not) the countries which are sanctionned by the ban ; and even worse, you have absolutely no control whatsoever of what is coming out of this countries which is very problematic, isn't it.

    Then we should not forget that this is a whole new government and that Trump is thoroughly reshaping the U.S. administration. For instance he has put back the C.I.A. to their rightful place (i.e. as an institution that gathers intel and not an institution that kills people across the world, as it has been used under Obama and before him) and expelled them from the N.S.C. and the H.S.C. (at least to my understanding). Such changes inexorably implies loose spaces and moments of vulnerability. It is thus not surprising that for a certain amount of time the country adopts a defensive position.

    Finally, we should not forget that during his second mandat (probably the first too, but I did not check) Obama declared a « National Emergency with respect to » a lot of countries, and amongst them were the seven countries upon which Trump declared a ban. And guess what ? Obama extended those « National Emergency » before leaving office (on the 13th of January). I presume that we will both agree that « National Emergency » means what it does mean — and it is not as if the threat was a fantasy work, the chaos is real in these countries just as is the threat in our countries (my neighbors did not die the 13 november by "magic »). Furthermore the situation is stalling and the more time passes by, the more the threat in our countries becomes intense… All in all, given the situation, the ban is just a logical continuation of the « National Emergency ».

 

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    Then allow me to expand on Saudi Arabia. As people usually make the mistake with any country, they consider Saudi Arabia as a monolith. It is far from being the case. Their is the political power (the royal family), the economical power and the religious power. If at times these three powers have the same interests, some other times, they do not. Moreover even within these powers their is different agenda.

    Did the country as a whole was backing the rise of the IS ? Most probably. Are some Saudis still giving money to IS ? Certainly. But let’s not forget that the IS is totally out of control and there can be only one muslim kingdom (or khilafah) in the world — meaning that the IS is at war with the Saudis and the wannabe sultan Erdogan (even if it is more complicated than what my phrasing suggests).

    The Saudi kingdom has problems with the IS but it has also problems with Al-Qā’Idah because a lot of member of this organisation consider that the royal family is pally with the « American dogs ». And in late 2000s, if I recall correctly, there has been terrorist attacks on Saudi’s soil made by AQ.

    So you see, the situation is not an absolute white nor an absolute black. If there are Saudi backing the IS and AQ, their are also some others that have a huge interest to soften these threats.

 

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    Then, is Trump trying to start the war on islam ? It will be a very, very difficult thing to accomplish because we are already at war with islam. Rather, islam is at war with western societies — actually, it has always been at war with us. By the way, I am not talking about sub-saharian islam which is most of cases is a very different thing.

So no, he will not declare any war on islam !

Great points in your last few posts on this.

The trouble I have is getting past his anti-Muslim rhetoric. Time will tell how far this goes. We'll see if the EO is expanded or cut back soon.

We may be "at war with Islam" or (preferably to me) Radical Islamists, but that doesn't mean we need to demonize Muslims. White people don't want to be associated with Dylan Roof or the other white terrorists.

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1 hour ago, kmk108 said:

Great points in your last few posts on this.

The trouble I have is getting past his anti-Muslim rhetoric. Time will tell how far this goes. We'll see if the EO is expanded or cut back soon.

We may be "at war with Islam" or (preferably to me) Radical Islamists, but that doesn't mean we need to demonize Muslims. White people don't want to be associated with Dylan Roof or the other white terrorists.

The rhetoric changes when you it's called 'extremist Islam' or 'fundamentalist Islam'. Take this for a thought; America is a Christian country, it can easily disassociate 'radical Christians' and 'normal Christians'. America has that advantage with Christianity because the society on a whole understands the religion, understands it's role in society and know when Christianity oversteps it's boundaries. While America has the complete opposite with Islam. Islam has had nothing but a troubled history with America, from the Nation of Islam, modern extremism and Sharia nations being the antithesis to America. It's almost incomparable. 

You know Dylan Roof is an outlier, you know most Christians don't want to ethnic cleanse and throw homosexuals from roofs.

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9 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Disagree with that, all should be given a platform to be challenged. It is fascist to not give them free speech, and falls into Trumps hands.

Trump displays key characteristics of an anti-free speech snowflake activist. He is a thin-skinned, self-obsessed screecher who interprets any political or intellectual disagreement as a personal assault. His response to ideas he finds offensive is not to challenge them, but to try to silence them. His is a fearful, subjective view of the world in which his feelings count more than facts or fundamental principles. That’s why his administration is effectively running an official Twittermob against Trump’s critics.

None of this has anything to do with fascism. It is ‘snowflakeism’,

Free speech and giving someone a platform are complete different things. Everyone has a right for free speech, within it's known limits. But no one has a right to get a platform to spread their ideas. 

When you legitimize fascists by allowing them to fearmonger and play on insecurities, then you're conceding that the human rights and even personhood of entire groups of people is up for debate. Call me a radical, but I don't think whether or not Jews ought to be considered people should be up for debate!

 

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9 hours ago, Peace. said:

Then, is Trump trying to start the war on islam ? It will be a very, very difficult thing to accomplish because we are already at war with islam. Rather, islam is at war with western societies

Genuine question and I'm not trying to be clever or condescending:

Do you honestly see no irony in (rightly, imo) criticizing people who see Saudi Arabia as a monolith and then saying in the very next paragraph that Islam is at war with the west as if Islam is a single rigid thing with just one interpretation?

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9 hours ago, Spike said:

No, but I do believe that there are crazy lefty people out there that will use their victim-hood card to propagate their views. I just cannot take anything at face value, especially when we live in a world that has devalued the word 'rape' to the point it no longer resembles what it was a decade ago. I just don't know what constitutes as 'hate crime' anymore. 

I work with several people from minority groups and they haven't experienced any of this, nor I have I witnessed it. Nor has anyone in my wife's immediate family (and the time it did was twenty years ago). I don't know where this is all happening but it isn't around me. I encounter fucking assholes at my work all the time but I've never experienced or been told of racism, sexism, and religious bias. I cannot and I won't speak for everyone in America but to me it really does seem like it is being blown out of proportion. The way it is portrayed in the media, you'd think my wife would be getting her head kicked in by Neo-Nazis once a day. I'm not saying it doesn't happen nor am I saying it hasn't increased but it does seem to not be as widespread as you'd imagine. America really isn't as racist as people portray it.

Steve Bannon isn't a white supremacist. I'm sick of defending the guy, I don't even like him, I just know it's completely untrue. If you want to insult him, just call him a moral-less lizard that will manipulate a media empire to extract money out of a niche audience. He may be a greedy, money and power hungry asshole, but a white supremacist he is not. I just don't see a true white supremacist associating with a Jewish company.

I'm trying my best man, but it's really hard to debate seriously the notion that the Southern Poverty Law center and Breitbart news are the same. 

One has spent more than 40 years defending and protecting the civil rights of marginalized groups people, the other lies all the time and unapologeticly spouts racist and islamophobic nonsense. That's not say that everything that the SPLC says should be accepted uncritically, but to compare them to a fearmongering propaganda machine is illogical to say the least.

Hate crime does have a very simple and unanimously agreed on definition: It's a criminal act against persons or property "motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity" (to quote the exact definition by the FBI). Again these tactics of muddying the water around a discussion to create an illusion of uncertainty is created by people who know that the data is true but that it is their interest for people to doubt. Exxon knew how climate change will impact the word since the 70s and still poured millions into climate denial campaigns. 

You think the media is over-reporting on neonazi hate crimes? Well there was a terrorist attack by a right wing extremist that killed 6 muslims in a mosque and the fact that Fox purposely lied about it made more headlines than the actual attack. If it were a Muslim extremist that had shot up 6 christians in a church you'd have rolling coverage about it for days and half of US people on facebook would have the flag of Canada as their profile picture.

I mean you don't need a conspiracy theory to explain the increase in reported hate crimes when you have more and more people publicly inciting violence against minority groups. Don't you think it's possible that the vast majority of people reporting hate crimes are not making it up and that the typically right wing media has not suddenly turned into pro-muslim/Jewish/LGBT lefty propaganda machines but instead that the US is racist but you are just refusing to see it that way? 

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11 hours ago, Spike said:

The rhetoric changes when you it's called 'extremist Islam' or 'fundamentalist Islam'. Take this for a thought; America is a Christian country, it can easily disassociate 'radical Christians' and 'normal Christians'. America has that advantage with Christianity because the society on a whole understands the religion, understands it's role in society and know when Christianity oversteps it's boundaries. While America has the complete opposite with Islam. Islam has had nothing but a troubled history with America, from the Nation of Islam, modern extremism and Sharia nations being the antithesis to America. It's almost incomparable. 

You know Dylan Roof is an outlier, you know most Christians don't want to ethnic cleanse and throw homosexuals from roofs.

The nation of Islam turned plenty of black criminals, failed by traditional christianity, into small business owners and great members of their community.  If you go to the fish restaurants, and markets in West End you have patronized Nation of Islam improved areas. I'd hardly consider their full history in America troubled. Their school in Atlanta also demands excellence and produces a very high level of black grads I have noticed at Tech downtown. I feel they have, in full, represented America quite well in behavior.

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15 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

No, I'm talking about the record number of threats and attacks on Jewish centers. Those are definitely YOUR guys.

 

Yea but it's your guys that are vandalizing when protesting and becoming violent when anyone has a different view then theirs....

Check out this article:

THE TRUE FACE OF LIBERALISM

The aftermath of the US elections reveals the duplicitous nature of Liberalism, exposing it for the fascist ideology that it has become.

Uber CEO’s bland response to the President’s three months immigration ban has put him in the crosshairs of liberal zealots, who regard themselves as “progressive.” The same thing happened to Silicon Valley’s poster child, billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk, for not criticizing the ban more resolutely. These bullied dignitaries did not agree with Trump. Their only “sin” was that they did not chastise him with a torrent of slurs and profanities, as is commonplace these days among the “enlightened left.”

Before the elections, the press was concerned with the question, “What happens if Donald Trump loses?” Los Angeles Times reporter Doyle McManus, like many other liberal journalists, did not even consider the possibility that Trump might win, and concluded that after Trump’s loss, “it’s hard to imagine that Trump will simply fade away.”

But Donald Trump won, and his surprise victory exposed the true face of progressive liberalism in America. There are ample examples of the undemocratic nature of today’s American liberalism, such as their latest attempt at stymying the formation of the country’s government. Yet, perhaps the most authentic testimony I have seen came from a student of mine who wrote me about the situation in the Northeast, on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution from “liberals” and “progressives.” Below is just some of what my student wrote.

An Entire Generation Was Educated in Fantasy [student’s own title]

We grew up in this liberal bubble, a fantasy land. Our English classes required we read liberal books that championed the plight of immigrant minorities while condemning the westerner as the perpetual antagonist.

I like to think I have a decent moral compass. I take no pleasure in disagreeing with the trend. A person is terrified to say he is not liberal. Universities and schools raised us to breathe the notion that non-liberals are racist, backwards, white, old, men, and bigots.

Right now, what I see in the liberal-left is the new fascist ideology. They are the least embracing group in this country. Somehow, we have arrived where our society is an eggshell of political correctness. Everything is racist. Jerry Seinfeld made a joke about his friend whose last name is black. He said ‘Black's life matters.’ It was funny, but Seinfeld was almost crucified for racism. This is a sickness.

I am a progressive. I define progressivism as openness to all opinions, challenging everything. I also see myself as a champion of the oppressed. The oppressed right now are the Trump voters—the people who are not represented by Hollywood, the media, or tech and financial institutions where H-1B visa immigrants have all the good paying jobs.

I'm very alarmed at my generation's insensitivity to those with a different opinion than theirs. Trump is obviously not always right. But the outright temper-tantrum the left and my generation are having right now is a turn-off. They are entitled and SAD!

From Entitlement to Fascism

In the late 1940s, Baal HaSulam, my teacher’s father and the author of the Sulam (Ladder) commentary on The Zohar, wrote about the inherent problems of democracy in his compilation, The Writings of the Last Generation. According to Baal HaSulam, “We should not learn from the modern democracies, as they use various tactics to deceive the constituency. When [voters] grow wiser and understand their [leaders’] cunningness, the majority will certainly elect a management according to their spirit. And their [leaders’] main tactic is that they first create a good reputation for people and promote them either as wise or as righteous, and then the masses believe and elect them. But a lie does not persist forever.”

Moreover, later in the book, Baal HaSulam writes, “Reality proves that the step following the ruin of a democratic government is that of Nazis or Fascists. …Whenever the democratic government is ruined, a fascist, Nazi regime will inherit it.” Indeed, the exposure of the fanaticism of American liberalism proves that Baal HaSulam’s analysis was dead on. The “liberals” are showing their true, fascist faces. Ironically, it was acclaimed liberal progressive author and journalist, Nicholas Kristof, who best described the liberal dichotomy in a column he wrote for The New York Times titled, “A Confession of Liberal Intolerance.” According to Kristof, “We progressives could take a brief break from attacking the other side and more broadly incorporate values that we supposedly cherish—like diversity—in our own dominions.” Today, without proper measures to mend America’s perilous trajectory, the fallouts for the American society and for the world at large could be horrendous.

Establishing Sustainable Pluralism

A government whose leaders are in office for a fixed and relatively short term requires certain preconditions in order to succeed. While term limits guarantee that no leader becomes a monarch, they also compel candidates to vie for campaign funds and seek the benefit of their big donors every four years. This inevitably makes lawmakers and leaders hostages in the hands of a powerful few who exact their fees after the election, in complete disregard of the public interest. The inevitable outcome of this skewed system is a parade of puppet presidents who dance to the dictates of their donors, as we have seen for the past several decades. The wealthy elite are the real rulers of the United States; the “government”—a reality TV show.

As Baal HaSulam said in the above quote, today’s heads of state cannot be elected unless they are advertised like a commodity until the public “buys” the stories sold about them. In such a state, the president is not elected based on leadership skills, but based on acting skills and amicability. Are these the right criteria for choosing a nation’s leader?

To elect good leaders, people must determine what they want to see in a leader. If the constituency has the interest of the entire nation at heart, they will elect leaders based on the interest of the entirety of the country. In the case of America, for people to have such a broad view they must care for America, and especially for the American people, all American people.

Lessons from the Past

In today’s era of extreme self-absorption, the only way to restore stability to the American society is to embrace plurality rather than reject it. If the liver and heart fought over blood because they both need it for survival, we would die. But their complementary functionality guarantees that we have a toxin free flow of blood to the entire body.

Likewise, every person in humanity is important because health and strength are achieved when we unite above our differences, and not when we exhaust ourselves trying to be the last one standing. The constant battle we are fighting with each other is exactly how cancer behaves toward the rest of the body, and we know how this ends for the cancer and for us.

When the ancient Israelites connected above their differences, they managed to build a nation out of millions of separate individuals. Once they pledged to unite “as one man with one heart,” they were tasked with passing the method for connection to the rest of the world. The Torah defined this task as being “a light unto nations” because today disunity is “darkening” people’s lives. When depression, violence, and alienation are engulfing all of humanity, unity is the only possible light at the end of the tunnel, however dim or faint.

In Olat Raiah, the great Rav Kook wrote, “Unity that strives to benefit each individual is unsustainable. Even when it seems to grow, it will end in a flame of hatred and war among brothers, since each one is pulling in his own direction. However, unity that derives from recognizing the value of love of others will last and strengthen over time.”

Indeed, Israel’s method for achieving unity can succeed precisely in a state of social disintegration and alienation because it is designed for such a state. It does not dread frictions; it embraces them as tools for achieving greater unity and social cohesion.

My students all over the world carry out this method, which they titled, “Integral Education,” and prove repeatedly that people of different backgrounds can unite if they are willing to rise above their differences. They need not suppress their views like today’s intimidated supporters of the President.

I think that America’s strength and stability are too important to the world for this country to behave recklessly. I think it must reinstate the value of embracing all views. Only when America does this can it begin to cautiously open its gates to immigrants. However, even then it must be done on condition that immigrants also embrace the values of pluralism and unity as the basis of democracy.

In the coming years, the global challenges will increase and intensify. The basis for successful coping with these challenges is unity. If America establishes this, it will succeed. If not, it will end up like Europe.
 

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-true-face-of-liberalism-480228

 

P.S. This comment to this article said it all: 

"In short summary: Those that scream tolerance and diversity are the least tolerant of them all."

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

While I am not particularly supportive of stopping Free Speech, it does seem important not to let antisocial behavior become normal. It emboldens people who would, in normal circumstances, be kept quiet.

 

Yesterday a Korean Grandmother was attacked by a racist in Broad daylight. Not too shocking since Racism against Asians has always been commonplace in America. The big shock was this was in Koreatown...a place where a Korean grandmother should be safe from such incidents.

 

http://nextshark.com/korean-grandma-assaulted-in-los-angeles-white-power-february-1/

 

It trickles down. On the global scale Trump antagonizes China. Domestically Steve Bannon feels there are too many Asian Ceos in Silicon Valley, Locally a poor(assuming) women takes out her frustrations on a Korean Ganny walking around in KOREATOWN. If she can be attacked, anybody can honestly.

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1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The nation of Islam turned plenty of black criminals, failed by traditional christianity, into small business owners and great members of their community.  If you go to the fish restaurants, and markets in West End you have patronized Nation of Islam improved areas. I'd hardly consider their full history in America troubled. Their school in Atlanta also demands excellence and produces a very high level of black grads I have noticed at Tech downtown. I feel they have, in full, represented America quite well in behavior.

They are also anti-Semites, anti-white, black separatists that put a couple of dozen bullets in Malcolm X. Even the Southern Poverty Law centre I disparaged earlier lists them as a hate group.

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5 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

I'm trying my best man, but it's really hard to debate seriously the notion that the Southern Poverty Law center and Breitbart news are the same. 

One has spent more than 40 years defending and protecting the civil rights of marginalized groups people, the other lies all the time and unapologeticly spouts racist and islamophobic nonsense. That's not say that everything that the SPLC says should be accepted uncritically, but to compare them to a fearmongering propaganda machine is illogical to say the least.

Hate crime does have a very simple and unanimously agreed on definition: It's a criminal act against persons or property "motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity" (to quote the exact definition by the FBI). Again these tactics of muddying the water around a discussion to create an illusion of uncertainty is created by people who know that the data is true but that it is their interest for people to doubt. Exxon knew how climate change will impact the word since the 70s and still poured millions into climate denial campaigns. 

You think the media is over-reporting on neonazi hate crimes? Well there was a terrorist attack by a right wing extremist that killed 6 muslims in a mosque and the fact that Fox purposely lied about it made more headlines than the actual attack. If it were a Muslim extremist that had shot up 6 christians in a church you'd have rolling coverage about it for days and half of US people on facebook would have the flag of Canada as their profile picture.

I mean you don't need a conspiracy theory to explain the increase in reported hate crimes when you have more and more people publicly inciting violence against minority groups. Don't you think it's possible that the vast majority of people reporting hate crimes are not making it up and that the typically right wing media has not suddenly turned into pro-muslim/Jewish/LGBT lefty propaganda machines but instead that the US is racist but you are just refusing to see it that way? 

Yeah you are right, it was a little over the top for a comparison. 

It isn't a competition between 'Neo-Nazi' attacks and 'Islamic Extremism'. The two can exist in a vacuum and it's not entirely impossible a huge increase of coverage for 'Neo-Nazis' while still being dwarfed by 'Islamic Extremism'. I'd actually like to see statistics on 'hate crime reports' and 'new media covering hate crime'. I think it'd be a very interesting set of data to look at, it could be the complete opposite of what I think, maybe 'hate crime reports' are spiking while 'media coverage' is dipping. 

But I'm not saying the aren't majority aren't sincere hate attacks. I'm just not taking the information at face value and I'm looking at possible other phenomena that could be an influence, because it does happen and the world is a odd place with thousands of different factors coming into play. I'm not denying there is an increase in hate crime, I just want to know why. Is it Trump? More than likely yes, but I want to know if there are any other factors that are coming into play.

I may fall into using righty tactics without realising but I feel you do the same with lefty tactics. You seem to put all faith in the victims without question. I'm just not one to believe a crime was committed on the basis that a person makes a claim of victim-hood. We can't really observe all the stats right now, but I'd love to see 'hate crime reports' v 'hate crime convictions' to see if there is any discrepancy. That also isn't foolproof because people are often wrongly convicted or let go free without punishment. The problem with stats they aren't undeniable facts, they create an accurate picture but there is always room for error.

I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories at all but I also don't deny that there are very much a possibility. Isn't it a conspiracy by Exxon to fund climate denial campaigns? Why couldn't a leftist organisation do the same towards the Trump administration by false reporting hate crimes? People are quite immoral and will use and tactics to get a foot up, I doubt it is true but I don't deny the possibility as I'm just not the all knowing person I want to be. Even bloody universities are guilty of pushing rape trials, the more rapes that are tried and convicted on campus the more federal funding universities get (well not in that sense, they just don't get funding cut). They are insentivised to have bloody rape cases tried and convicted!

The US really isn't that racist. It really isn't. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/?utm_term=.4d370a5fe326

Just from what I've observed and from that data, I can say that. Maybe in other states, in other cities it is far worse (maybe the just polled liberal Atlanta, Chicago, NY and LA). The most racist thing I've experience is a black dude saying to me 'black people can't be racist'.

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26 minutes ago, Spike said:

They are also anti-Semites, anti-white, black separatists that put a couple of dozen bullets in Malcolm X. Even the Southern Poverty Law centre I disparaged earlier lists them as a hate group.

I don't think they were definitively linked with the Assassination of Malcolm. He was a hated guy by pretty much everybody who was kicked out of their organization after he went on TV and pretty much spit in the face of a nation mourning the assassination of their president. I think any number of groups could have realistically been the ones to put some bullets in him. I don know that before he was taken in by the group he was a common street criminal, taking advantage of people, and serving time in Jail before he was saved from himself.

 

They believe in some crazy things, but I think the Anti white stuff seems to be outsider Malcolm/Louis teachings. Their original leader, Elijah Muhammed, was on record for respecting all races. He even described the original prophet of Islam, Muhammed, as a white Arab, and the original founder of the Nation of Islam, Fard Muhammed, was a White guy named Wallace ford from Portland

 

They are Anti-Semites, but that in itself is as American as Apple pie. You'd be hard pressed to find a group in America, even now, which doesnt have a medium to strong undercurrent of Anti-Semitism in their ranks.

 

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Another attempted Islamic attack on the West today. A psychopath wielding a knife screamed 'Allahu Akbar' at the Louvre.

http://news.sky.com/story/louvre-terrorist-armed-with-machete-shot-at-paris-museum-10754100

Islamic Extremists really do perpetrate a disproportionate amount of violence in the west. 

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19 minutes ago, Spike said:

Another attempted Islamic attack on the West today. A psychopath wielding a knife screamed 'Allahu Akbar' at the Louvre.

http://news.sky.com/story/louvre-terrorist-armed-with-machete-shot-at-paris-museum-10754100

Islamic Extremists really do perpetrate a disproportionate amount of violence in the west. 

Disproportionate to what?