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8 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

There is no equality in nature, that I believe, but I wouldnt necessarily say a culture is failed just because there are some unsavory elements on display. I think different cultures developed to their specific points based on factors that were specific to them during their development. The rape and other sexual violence is very problematic, but the Domestic Abuse one is pretty common. I think intervening between a man and his wife arguing is something that is a very recent western idea. In the past what a man did to his wife was a very private thing over here, and still is in most parts of the world.

 

Most of the nations you list, that I know of, would definitely be considered going by my barometer. I was shocked when I visited Paris to see as many guns as I did. Even more than the handguns our officers have down here. I feel we are able to put a nice veneer over our modern society, but peel away a little bit and we are as shallow and warlike in our communities as we have always been. Its human nature in the end.

 

What would an American morality entail for you? Surely even that is divided seeing as the American people,overall, struggle to agree on major moral issues of today such as Abortion, and the role of the federal government. Even in the past it was the same way. There was a civil war based on the disagreement Americans had on whether or not they could own other people lol.  

 

Diversity is an interesting thing. I would agree diverse populations make it harder to create a "unified identity" in the traditional sense, but I do think when done well it can produce much better results than homogenous nations in similar circumstances. In biology diversity, in an organism, will usually mean a stronger being thanks to their being more positive traits to pull from. This manifests itself in many ways.  People being attracted to Brazilian(and Latin American) women for their exotic looks that come from being racially mixed, Mixed-race Diverse athletes being overrepresented in sports relative to their population size(Very prevalent in Football), and forms of music developed by diverse types being popular worldwide.Take American invention in music. Rock and Roll,Jazz,Country,Rap..ect are music forms that are popular worldwide, and only exists because a diverse pot was able to mix many different sources and experiences to create something that has been one of the biggest examples of American greatness and influence worldwide.  It would be expected the east-coaster and a southerner would have more in common than they would a Nigerian, but in a diverse country even this is not something we could really take for granted. What if the Southerner was a Nigerian American raised in Nigerian culture at home by their parents? My sister is 10000000% American, but if she alone was compared to a person living in suburban Tokyo or a person living in  suburban  Dakotas she would probably have more in common with the former based on heritage,perception given away to the world, and expectation from family. Thats what you get with diverse populations

 

 

American morality really echoes the moral codes of Judaism and Christianity. When I think of Americans, I honestly do believe that charity, brotherly love, altruism and equality. You mentioned earlier the veneer of modern society, well if you look past the rampant consumerism and shallowness there is a sincere desire for equality in all areas, whether misdirected or not is up for debate. America is the most charitable nation in the world (as it should be) and the top 1% of Americans are the most charitable people in the world (Occupy Wall Street wouldn't tell you that). I recall reading one of the fundamental concepts of Jewish morality is charity and tithing no matter how much material wealth one possesses. The idea is that everyone is eternally giving to one another that which one needs, and you can see this with the huge amounts of charitable wealth that is donated nationally and internationally. The USA ended slavery, one of the first nations to do so, created a huge welfare system (its positive net outcome can be debated), has allowed millions of migrants to create new lives and a constitution that promotes freedom and equality.

Take the following anecdote how you will.  Slavery in America began with the capturing of African tribesmen by other Africans, mainly Barbaries and Magrebhis, if I recall correctly. The captured men and women would be sold off to mainly western-Europeans and Middle-Easterners. The middle-easterns would castrate all their slaves to prevent procreation, that is why you don't see many sub-Saharan peoples roaming around the middle-east these days. The Europeans on the other hand didn't do that and allowed their slaves to reproduce. An interesting dichotomy arouse amongst European slave owners. Indentured Servants (owned for about nine years) and slaves. The former were nearly exclusively Irish in the states. They were more prone to sun burns, and tropical diseases. On top of the fact they were only 'leased' for a limited period of time, they were worked to death. Many indentured servants died before their lease was over. On the other hand, the African slaves were treated horribly but they were seen as far more desirable and valuable then the white servants. They were far less often worked to death in unsuitable conditions. Eventually after many years, around 700,000 white people died fighting a war that somewhat concerned slavery and a surprisingly racist president got shot in the back of his head by a crazy thespian. I had a point with this story but I forget because my wife starting talking to me. 

Yes, America has a dirty history but every nation does. You must weigh the positives against the negatives; for America I'd say the former far outweigh the latter. I'd take ending slavery, civil rights, women's suffrage, the constitution and charity over throwing gays from roofs and refusing women to drive cars.

[Fernando 6,585]

Iran conducted ballistic missile test, violating UN resolution https://beholdisraelnews.wordpress.com/2017/01/31/iran-conducted-ballistic-missile-test-violating-un-resolution/

 

Of course the United nothing will do nothing about it and just continue their bias against Israel.... 

[kmk108 1,186]

55 minutes ago, -Kaplan- said:

Ben Carson was one of the most gifted neurosurgeons of the last 40 years or so. 

If you listened to the media however, you'd think the guy couldn't tie his own laces. 

Granted, medical aptitude ≠ political awareness, but still shows how biased the media is. They absolutely ran this guy into the ground. 

I think that's the problem. I didn't have a problem with him (aside from some comments he made while running), but he really seemed out of his depth when it came to politics. Hell, he didn't even think he had the political experience for a cabinet position.

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9 hours ago, Fernando said:

Here is an article from 2015 about Refugees...it's time to understand how Hijrah works.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260019/hijrah-europe-robert-spencer

       

That was beyond hilarious! 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Trump and his America first policy may have good intentions for American people alone, but his lack of detailed explanations is leaving room for democratic media outlets (huge majority in America) to twist the news how ever they like. Everyone is asking why ban countries that have never committed terrorist attacks in America, but people don't know that the seven countries he banned are countries which even Obama's administration noted as high possible destinations for dispersed ISIS members to flee to and try to infiltrate the west through the refugee program. While everyone is asking why he didn't he add Saudi Arabia and Qatar who actually have immigrants that have committed terrorist attacks in America but they don't know that these countries rarely take immigrants and are better vetted than others. Trump is no Obama in terms of explaining details of what he wants to do and the left media is taking advantage and crucifying him.

Trump doesn't know how to play politics too, the Democrats intentionally delay Trumps nominee for attorney general and he is forced to remain with an Obama appointee as his attorney. Now Trump has realized she won't back a Republican, he now sacks her during this controversial period when he should have done it much earlier since she was always going to be replaced once Jeff sessions is confirmed anyways. The ban which she claims is illegal doesn't have the word "muslim" written in the executive order so she doesn't have much of a legal ground to stand on and the attorney general is a member of the executive branch anyways, it is not her job to say whether the ban is illegal or not, it is the job of the independent supreme Court.

Obama fired general James Mattis for disagreeing with the Iran deal and I didn't see any fuss in the media about it. Now Trump is being called an authoritarian president when doing similar? This bias is unreal.... Maybe I'm watching too much CNN. 

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This topic should be renamed to "The Trump Topic". 

[Fernando 6,585]

14 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

So true, But then you have Fox on a level of their own just flat out lying. They falsely claimed that the attacker was a Moroccan. I mean, how low can you go?!

Well they actually had a second man who was Moroccan Called Mohammed Belkhadir as an original suspect but then they let him go. 

I think Fox done the same mistake CNN did a couple of weeks ago, report something that was not fully accurate. 

[Fernando 6,585]

JEWISH GROUPS CONDEMN DEADLY ATTACK ON QUEBEC MOSQUE

"This was an attack on Canada, not only on one mosque. Indeed, it was an attack on any democratic society founded on religious pluralism that today faces threats against its Muslim populations."

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-groups-condemn-attack-on-Quebec-mosque-480035

[BoyBlue96 990]

I believe Donald Trump's title is President of the United States. Not president of the world.

[kmk108 1,186]

31 minutes ago, BoyBlue96 said:

I believe Donald Trump's title is President of the United States. Not president of the world.

There are some Americans that think those are equal 

[kmk108 1,186]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Well they actually had a second man who was Moroccan Called Mohammed Belkhadir as an original suspect but then they let him go. 

I think Fox done the same mistake CNN did a couple of weeks ago, report something that was not fully accurate. 

I don't think he was a suspect. They brought him in as a witness and the media, wanting to be first, ran with it.

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Ultimately why are people surprised there was an attack in Quebec? That province isn't necessarily the most tolerant of outsiders. The Quebec Liberation Front used to bomb people for not speaking French! Quebec is very prone to nationalistic and xenophobic tendencies as they are extremely protective of their culture.

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1 hour ago, BoyBlue96 said:

I believe Donald Trump's title is President of the United States. Not president of the world.

Whether Europeans like to admit it or not, he is the most powerful man in the world. What the USA does affects the whole world. 

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Whether Europeans like to admit it or not, he is the most powerful man in the world. What the USA does affects the whole world. 

I cannot blame the President of the United States taking measures to guard the safety and wellbeing of his country.
Something my country should do as well. As Trump said America first, Holland needs to go first as well.

One of my mates has become homeless. He lived in an apartment which had a barbershop beneath it which he owned with his fiancé. His fiancé committed suicide some time ago because she was heavily alcoholic. My mate became depressed of it and he also cannot pay his rent and all the other stuff resulting in him forced to leave his apartment and become homeless.

What does our government/ our politics do with it? Nothing. The governments housing corporation puts his name on a never ending list with his request to get access to an empty house or apartment.
The problem is, that Syrian refugees get these empty apartments first, because they are "in more need for help". Absolute rubbish. If it's a family the yes but here in my city there are multiple empty houses which gets 4 or 5 Syrian males as residents. What about my mate? Well, he needs to take care of himself. On the streets. He moved in with mutual friend of ours but it's ridiculous. He is in dire need of a house but gets placed on this list full with other people in dire need of housing but because they're not refugees or immigrants they need to wait for dozens of years and take care of themselves.

It's ridiculous and a disgrace. It creates a lot of hate and xenophobia. Of course these refugees are not to blame and do not deserve the hate they receive, our idiotic government is. Fix the problems in your own country first before you stick out your neck to help international affairs.

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2 hours ago, BoyBlue96 said:

 

I cannot blame the President of the United States taking measures to guard the safety and wellbeing of his country.
Something my country should do as well. As Drumpf said America first, Holland needs to go first as well.

One of my mates has become homeless. He lived in an apartment which had a barbershop beneath it which he owned with his fiancé. His fiancé committed suicide some time ago because she was heavily alcoholic. My mate became depressed of it and he also cannot pay his rent and all the other stuff resulting in him forced to leave his apartment and become homeless.

What does our government/ our politics do with it? Nothing. The governments housing corporation puts his name on a never ending list with his request to get access to an empty house or apartment.
The problem is, that Syrian refugees get these empty apartments first, because they are "in more need for help". Absolute rubbish. If it's a family the yes but here in my city there are multiple empty houses which gets 4 or 5 Syrian males as residents. What about my mate? Well, he needs to take care of himself. On the streets. He moved in with mutual friend of ours but it's ridiculous. He is in dire need of a house but gets placed on this list full with other people in dire need of housing but because they're not refugees or immigrants they need to wait for dozens of years and take care of themselves.

It's ridiculous and a disgrace. It creates a lot of hate and xenophobia. Of course these refugees are not to blame and do not deserve the hate they receive, our idiotic government is. Fix the problems in your own country first before you stick out your neck to help international affairs.

 

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That last statement should have been heeded by the US. But it wasn't, now there are more refugees than ever before and the United States is partially to blame. We are supposed to be the country that opens it's doors for anyone in search of a better life. Not for shutting out an entire group of people needing refuge. As for protecting the citizens, theoretically, yes that would be ideal, but the countries banned since 1975, have not killed a single American on this soil. You know who has? Terrorists from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Lebanon, Afghanistan. This ban does not include those countries and in fact Trump has business ties to several of these countries. The vetting process for these refugees is already extreme and has been successful. Trump is simply feeding into American's fear and using it to ban Muslims from this country. That's all.