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Almost 1 in 10 fans would stop watching their team if a player said they were gay

A survey of 4000 football fans carried out for BBC Radio 4’s Afternoon Edition sheds light on the attitudes that persist within football.

82 percent of football fans said they would be comfortable with a gay player on a team, but 9% of football fans were uncomfortable.

The last taboo in football

 

Anyone here have an opinion on it ?

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1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Almost 1 in 10 fans would stop watching their team if a player said they were gay

A survey of 4000 football fans carried out for BBC Radio 4’s Afternoon Edition sheds light on the attitudes that persist within football.

82 percent of football fans said they would be comfortable with a gay player on a team, but 9% of football fans were uncomfortable.

The last taboo in football

 

Anyone here have an opinion on it ?

Anyone uncomfortable supporting a team with a gay player is living in the stone age and can piss off.

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15 minutes ago, kmk108 said:

Anyone uncomfortable supporting a team with a gay player is living in the stone age and can piss off.

Its obviously a massive problem. Statistically there are a few hundred gay players in the Premier League all shit scared to come out

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I've come to the conclusion that the left is entirely hypocritical of sexuality. If sexuality is indeed malleable and fluid as they say it is, then a gay person is allowed to undergo Gay Conversion Therapy under their own discretion. As long as no objective and observational harm comes to a child then the government has no right in telling parents how to raise their child. If a fifteen year-old boy approaches his parents and says "I do not like being attracted to men, it makes me uncomfortable" then the government has no right in how the boy and his parents handle the situation, whether that be therapy to change, or therapy to accept, it is the discretion of the family to choose. Sexuality isn't set in stone and if a straight person can become more attracted to the same sex over time then the same can happen in the opposite scenario. Government meddling in the private lives of the family is an obstruction of liberty.

You don't have to like it but if a gay person wants to be straight they are allowed to be. That is what sexual freedom is.

Also, I've read VP Pence's support of mandatory EST is a fabrication, there was so such statements ever made. 

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On 11/26/2016 at 9:28 AM, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Its a sign of progress when a guy who can, openly, be a homosexual and still be on the conservative side.

He is a useful idiot to them. I bet many of his weirdo lovers/supporters think they could cure people like him with therapy.

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Lieberman confirms Israel’s strike in Syria thwarted chemical weapons transfer to Hezbollah https://beholdisraelnews.wordpress.com/2016/12/08/lieberman-confirms-israel-thwarted-chemical-weapons-transfer-to-hezbollah/

 

What the? Syria has weapons of mass destruction? 

How so? Since when? 

Why usa and Russia did nothing about it? 

This whole thing in Syria is very weird. And if there is weapons of mass destruction a wrong hit or miss used can level all of Damascus.... Strangely enough the Bible predicted that over 2,000 years ago..... 

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On December 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM, 11Drogba said:

He is a useful idiot to them. I bet many of his weirdo lovers/supporters think they could cure people like him with therapy.

 

He actually got banned from Twitter. I mean, that place is the wild west. He is a useful tool to have in the current climate of Identity politics though. 

 

A homosexual, who brags about his lust of African American men, who is able to fall back on that or his Judaism whenever called out by the left makes for an interesting target. It seems he was raised a Catholic though so the religion/identity part seems a bit of a far crutch:lol:. Do you as a Jewish person consider him Jewish? I think I read lineage is passed through the mom with Jewish identity. Thats the exact opposite with us I think. Usually no matter the mom if your dad is Asian most would consider you Asian, and if your dad is other you are considered that.

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On 12/6/2016 at 8:32 PM, Spike said:

I've come to the conclusion that the left is entirely hypocritical of sexuality. If sexuality is indeed malleable and fluid as they say it is, then a gay person is allowed to undergo Gay Conversion Therapy under their own discretion. As long as no objective and observational harm comes to a child then the government has no right in telling parents how to raise their child. If a fifteen year-old boy approaches his parents and says "I do not like being attracted to men, it makes me uncomfortable" then the government has no right in how the boy and his parents handle the situation, whether that be therapy to change, or therapy to accept, it is the discretion of the family to choose. Sexuality isn't set in stone and if a straight person can become more attracted to the same sex over time then the same can happen in the opposite scenario. Government meddling in the private lives of the family is an obstruction of liberty.

You don't have to like it but if a gay person wants to be straight they are allowed to be. That is what sexual freedom is.

Also, I've read VP Pence's support of mandatory EST is a fabrication, there was so such statements ever made. 

How the hell is the answer to a child feeling uncomfortable with himself to "do unfounded science experiments on them" rather than "educate their community to become more accepting and loving of them"?!

The problem with parent's 'rights' to put their kids through homosexuality 'treatment' is that all the methods have been thoroughly studied scientifically in the 70s and 80s and conclusively debunked. It's basically mental torture. 

Families don't have the liberty to abuse their kids, even if it 'consensual' by the kids. That goes for sexual, physical and even mental abuse. 

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13 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

How the hell is the answer to a child feeling uncomfortable with himself to "do unfounded science experiments on them" rather than "educate their community to become more accepting and loving of them"?!

The problem with parent's 'rights' to put their kids through homosexuality 'treatment' is that all the methods have been thoroughly studied scientifically in the 70s and 80s and conclusively debunked. It's basically mental torture. 

Families don't have the liberty to abuse their kids, even if it 'consensual' by the kids. That goes for sexual, physical and even mental abuse. 

I didn't say it was the answer and your point 'educate their community to become more accepting and loving of them' has nothing to do with this; there was nothing stated about outside influences from the community or society, that isn't even close to what I've posted. I stated 'I don't want to be attracted to men' not 'I don't want to be beacause I got bullied at shcool'. In the West we've largely accepted LGBTs but that doesn't mean an LGBT person necessarily wants to be that way. There may be many or there may be few but I'd wager some would like to have the opportunity to have their own child with the person they love, and there is nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing wrong with being LGBT.

Besides, I didn't' directly state the child was gay, just they were attracted to the same sex. They could be Bi, they could just be curious, it could just be a brief period of life, they could just be confused going through puberty. I went through puberty and it's a weird and confusing  time. Another point is that sexuality changes, people change, usually not awfully too much but they do happen. That is why you'll met a lesbian and then ten years later she has a husband and two kids, I've seen it happen; or even the reverse.

For some bizarre reason, hormone therapy for a child that is 'transgender' is okay but gay conversion is immoral. To me they are both in the same ballpark and both must be treated as equally moral or immoral. Either both are illegal for persons under 18 years of age, or they are both legal.

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As long as no objective and observational harm comes to a child then the government has no right in telling parents how to raise their child. If a fifteen year-old boy approaches his parents and says "I do not like being attracted to men, it makes me uncomfortable" then the government has no right in how the boy and his parents handle the situation, whether that be therapy to change, or therapy to accept, it is the discretion of the family to choose.

I did not state in any case that conversion therapy is harmful or harmless to a child, merely stating that the government has no right to intervene in any situation that does not cause harm to a child. If it were harmless to a child, then a family would have all rights to do so as long as it follows the child's will. 

It is not my personal belief that it is even an option to consider but that doesn't mean I would force a family or individuals to or not to choose whether their child or themselves goes through hormone therapy or gay conversion. If sexual rights and freedoms do exist then it is up to their own discretion how to live their lives.

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On 30-11-2016 at 10:42 PM, Fulham Broadway said:

Almost 1 in 10 fans would stop watching their team if a player said they were gay

A survey of 4000 football fans carried out for BBC Radio 4’s Afternoon Edition sheds light on the attitudes that persist within football.

82 percent of football fans said they would be comfortable with a gay player on a team, but 9% of football fans were uncomfortable.

The last taboo in football

 

Anyone here have an opinion on it ?

Got no problem with gay people. 

 

On 6-12-2016 at 7:32 PM, Spike said:

I've come to the conclusion that the left is entirely hypocritical of sexuality. If sexuality is indeed malleable and fluid as they say it is, then a gay person is allowed to undergo Gay Conversion Therapy under their own discretion. As long as no objective and observational harm comes to a child then the government has no right in telling parents how to raise their child. If a fifteen year-old boy approaches his parents and says "I do not like being attracted to men, it makes me uncomfortable" then the government has no right in how the boy and his parents handle the situation, whether that be therapy to change, or therapy to accept, it is the discretion of the family to choose. Sexuality isn't set in stone and if a straight person can become more attracted to the same sex over time then the same can happen in the opposite scenario. Government meddling in the private lives of the family is an obstruction of liberty.

You don't have to like it but if a gay person wants to be straight they are allowed to be. That is what sexual freedom is.

Also, I've read VP Pence's support of mandatory EST is a fabrication, there was so such statements ever made. 

I feel like the government is actually protecting the child from being influenced by parents/friends or simply the social pressure of wanting to fit in.(being normal)

I would say it's a similar situation to the government putting a minimum age for having sex. The government should, in theory, not have a say in when you are ready to have sex as that is a personal matter that's different for everyone

however this is done to protect the child from being influenced or being forced into doing something that they don't fully understand. The same applies for choosing your sexuality.

I think the problem is that at the end of the day it isn't up to the parents to decide what sexuality their child has. It's up to the child but can a child really decide something like that ? I don't know about you but as a child i had enough crap to deal with without my sexuality being up for debate. So the government takes the decision out of the parents and the childs hands until he is of a more suitable age(18) to make such an important decision.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Spike said:

I didn't say it was the answer and your point 'educate their community to become more accepting and loving of them' has nothing to do with this; there was nothing stated about outside influences from the community or society, that isn't even close to what I've posted. I stated 'I don't want to be attracted to men' not 'I don't want to be beacause I got bullied at shcool'. In the West we've largely accepted LGBTs but that doesn't mean an LGBT person necessarily wants to be that way. There may be many or there may be few but I'd wager some would like to have the opportunity to have their own child with the person they love, and there is nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing wrong with being LGBT.

Besides, I didn't' directly state the child was gay, just they were attracted to the same sex. They could be Bi, they could just be curious, it could just be a brief period of life, they could just be confused going through puberty. I went through puberty and it's a weird and confusing  time. Another point is that sexuality changes, people change, usually not awfully too much but they do happen. That is why you'll met a lesbian and then ten years later she has a husband and two kids, I've seen it happen; or even the reverse.

For some bizarre reason, hormone therapy for a child that is 'transgender' is okay but gay conversion is immoral. To me they are both in the same ballpark and both must be treated as equally moral or immoral. Either both are illegal for persons under 18 years of age, or they are both legal.

Also I said this: 

I did not state in any case that conversion therapy is harmful or harmless to a child, merely stating that the government has no right to intervene in any situation that does not cause harm to a child. If it were harmless to a child, then a family would have all rights to do so as long as it follows the child's will. 

It is not my personal belief that it is even an option to consider but that doesn't mean I would force a family or individuals to or not to choose whether their child or themselves goes through hormone therapy or gay conversion. If sexual rights and freedoms do exist then it is up to their own discretion how to live their lives.

Sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about baby Tarzan here! Of course how you feel about your sexuality is dependent first and foremost on your community. We are not born with preconceived notions about sexuality, we're born with sexual instincts. Homosexuality is common in thousands of animal species. You don't see gay penguins having high suicide rates. That uncomfortable feeling about sexuality is a product of human society.

Hormone therapy has absolutely nothing to do with this pseudo-science. Transgender people undergo hormone therapy to change their appearance and body shape. If anything, hormone therapy is even further proof that sexuality and even gender identity CANNOT be changed with 'treatment'. 

Conversion 'therapy' is harmful. It has been proven conclusively to be ineffective and harmful. There is a major scientific consensus about that fact. I would advise you to read the finds of studies into conversion therapy or even the opinions of medical organizations of it. 

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