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[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

This was done on fucking purpose by the west, like they couldnt see the taliban storming the country....yeah right

It was bound to happen. No matter the president. Weather it would have been Obama, Trump, Biden or 100 years from now. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

11 minutes ago, Fernando said:

It was bound to happen. No matter the president. Weather it would have been Obama, Trump, Biden or 100 years from now. 

Bound to happen is one thing, lacking foresight is another

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Billionaire arms dealers rubbing their hands, ready for testing the latest weaponry on the taliban in 3, 6, months

[Weckerz 3,781]

Where are all the women and children? Genuine question

All footage from Kabul I've seen show hordes of men

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Bound to happen is one thing, lacking foresight is another

Well what do you expect when people are desperate for Trump out they vote for a dud. 

[Vesper 30,101]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Well what do you expect when people are desperate for Trump out they vote for a dud. 

A Taliban Leader who Trump got released from prison in 2018 appears set to become the new President of Afghanistan under Taliban rule.

Trump also helped free 5,000 Taliban fighters, many of whom are likely now helping take over Kabul.

Trump TAKES CREDIT for withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan

 

The Republicans Agreed With Leaving Afghanistan on Their own Website

Q-MAGA white nationalists/neo nazis, Taliban stanning

 

 

 

 

Trump’s New Big Lie: Afghanistan

Biden has handled the withdrawal very badly. That doesn’t mean Trump would have done better.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/afghanistan-withdrawal-trump-biden.html

Former President Donald Trump is telling lies about how he would have handled the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, opening a new avenue for Trump-dazed Republicans to attack President Joe Biden.

Trump issued the following statement on Thursday, amid the collapse of the Afghan army in the wake of Biden’s pullout:

Had our 2020 Presidential election not been rigged and if I were now president, the world would find that our withdrawal from Afghanistan would be a conditions-based withdrawal. I personally had discussions with top Taliban leaders whereby they understood what they are doing now would not have been acceptable. It would have been a much different and much more successful withdrawal, and the Taliban understood that much better than anyone.

This is false—a series of unmitigated lies—on every level. His opening reference to the “rigged” election is, of course, the Big Lie, but the other lies are pretty monstrous as well.

First, the “peace accord” that Trump’s emissaries signed with the Taliban in February 2020, in Doha, imposed only a few conditions—and the Taliban are violating none of them at the moment. The Taliban merely agreed not to allow any “individuals or groups, including al-Qaida, to use the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies.” The accord did not bar the Taliban from fighting Afghan government troops or from capturing Afghan provinces on its own.

Second, Trump’s claim that he had “discussions with top Taliban leaders” is overstated. A few days after the signing of the accord, on the phone, through an interpreter, he had a discussion with a leader, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, who was the Taliban’s delegate to the Doha talks. Afterward, Trump said he had a “very good” relationship with Baradar, lauded the Taliban for “killing terrorists…some very bad people,” and said of the war, “They’re looking to get this ended and we’re looking to get this ended.” A statement released by the White House said that Trump “emphasized the need to continue the reduction in violence” and “urged the Taliban to participate in intra-Afghan negotiations.” The statement said nothing about Barader’s reply, if any.

In other words, there is no evidence that a withdrawal under Trump would have been “much more successful” than it’s going under Biden. Trump’s swift withdrawal of a small contingent of peacekeeping troops from Syria in Oct. 2019, leaving Kurdish allies open to Turkish slaughter, suggests that Trump would have been no more discerning about protecting Afghans. (The Kurds had been instrumental in helping U.S. troops crush ISIS in northern Syria.)

The falsehoods notwithstanding, Trump’s statement will no doubt be parroted by congressional Republicans and conservative pundits in the coming weeks and months. When Biden first announced his withdrawal in April, his critics were nonplussed. Trump, after all, had long called for a pullout; in fact, he initially supported Biden’s decision. Even as the Taliban began routing Afghan security forces and taking over whole provinces earlier this summer, critics remained unsure of how to respond, especially since polls showed a vast majority of Americans agreed with Biden’s move.

Now, however, the critics have received the word from their leader-in-exile: withdrawal isn’t a bad thing, but withdrawal under Trump would have been “conditions-based”; it would have been “much more successful.” When things worsen in Afghanistan, as they almost certainly will, this will be their mantra for attacking Biden’s foreign policy—and for absolving themselves of complicity.

None of this is to deny that Biden has handled the situation badly. The latest evidence came on Thursday, when the Pentagon announced it would send 8,000 troops back to Afghanistan to facilitate the evacuation of the U.S. embassy in Kabul—5,000 from bases in the Middle East, 3,000 (an entire combat brigade) from Ft. Hood, Texas. If the withdrawal had been more carefully planned, the evacuation—or at least a substantial drawdown of personnel—would have taken place earlier this summer, before the last few thousand U.S. troops in the country were withdrawn.

When the withdrawal got underway, U.S. officials were still saying the Afghan security forces could resist the Taliban for another six to 12 months—plenty of time to plan for an orderly transition. It would be interesting to know which intelligence agencies predicted that the Afghan army—and, with it, the government—could hold out for so long. Retired officers I spoke with at the time doubted the Afghan army could last for even a few months without U.S. and NATO close-air support, logistics, intelligence, repair and maintenance crews, medevac and surgical units, and helicopter transport—a view that the Biden administration now accepts.

The 20-year war in Afghanistan has been one misbegotten adventure after another, from nearly the beginning. The initial missions—rooting out al-Qaida, ousting the Taliban from power, and killing or capturing Osama bin Laden, in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept.
11—were justified. The add-ons—establishing a central government (in a very decentralized country run by warlords), building a civil society, and fostering something like a Western-style democracy—were a pipe dream all along. The vision had a glimmer of hope and possibility early on, in 2003-04, when the U.S. commander, a creative three-star general named David Barno, set up small-scale counterinsurgency projects—recruiting volunteers from corporations and non-profits to train Afghan officials in the rudiments of governance and management, starting programs in economic aid and justice reform to win the hearts and minds of the people. But President George W. Bush scaled back resources, turned his gaze toward Iraq, and by the time attention drifted back to Afghanistan, the effort became all too militarized and all too huge. As money flowed in, corruption soared; the Kabul government never won the trust of the people; the Taliban moved in to fill the vacuums.

Biden, to his credit, recognized this all along when he was Barack Obama’s vice president. In the National Security Council’s debates of 2009-10, Biden was almost alone in opposing a massive troop surge or a campaign of nation building, arguing instead for a slight troop-increase to train and equip the Afghan army. Obama sided with the surge faction but, 18 months later, saw that Biden had been right. He backpedaled on the surge, abandoned the nation building, scaled back the troop levels to 5,800, and limited their missions to training and supporting the Afghan military while also countering terrorists along the Pakistani border.

Ten years later, entering the White House as president, Biden understandably retained a certain allergy to all matters Afghan. Eager to deal with more urgent issues, domestic and foreign, he sought to get out of the place altogether and to downplay the whole region—again, understandably. There has long been a strong case for leaving Afghanistan. Had Biden kept a small number of troops there, and had the next three or four presidents done so as well, not much would ever have improved. But probably not much would have worsened either. Meanwhile, no American troops have been killed there since February 2020.

Was it necessary to get out so swiftly, so completely, and so thoughtlessly? Biden will likely be haunted by those questions for some time. And now that Trump has made it a partisan issue, however mendaciously, the Republicans will be pressing the questions as hard as they can.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Vesper

[Vesper 30,101]

Taliban in bumper cars

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[Atomiswave 6,117]

9 hours ago, Fernando said:

Well what do you expect when people are desperate for Trump out they vote for a dud. 

No mate they are all cunts, they all eat from the same hand ( same masters )

And how wonderful that the arsenal were all left behind so that taliban could have some weaponry to play with......not planned at all.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

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[Fernando 6,585]

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[Vesper 30,101]

Edited August 24, 2021 by Vesper

[Vesper 30,101]

This good “Christian” threatens to kill school board members, cops etc. Jesus saves, huh?

 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

In my college days the Afghani girls and the Persian girls were the most beautiful among coeds.
The beauty queen was an Indian girl however, who went on to marry the son of a minister of the Wilson government.
Those folks all wanted western democracy and were against the Shah.
Khomeinism was unknown and so was talibanism. There was a lot of anti-Israeli feeling among Arab students but Khomeinism and jihad were unknown things. 
There was a strange character who was a fanatical islamist -the others told me- but that was an exception.
Yet somehow fanatical Islam dominated in the end.
Somewhere there is a hidden connection between antisemitism and jihad, so jihad wins.
The same happened with Nasser in the fifties. Eisenhower was going to finance the Aswan dam project but pulled out soon as Nasser declared war on Israel.
Nasser went on to occupy the Suez canal and the Americans stopped Eden who was trying to retake it. But what the Americans wanted was to prevent the escalation, 
they did not renew their support for Nasser.
The (blind) antisemitism made the muslims pro-soviet in the fifties-sixties, it makes them pro-jihad now.
 

Edited September 2, 2021 by cosmicway

[Vesper 30,101]

New Texas state flag

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

21 hours ago, Vesper said:

This good “Christian” threatens to kill school board members, cops etc. Jesus saves, huh?

 

 

We have many such in Greece but also the communist party !
Last week they were staging a rally and we could n't sleep.
The reds have a peculiar monotonous rhythm when they shout their slogans.
Goes like:

Bergamo - was - the Parmenion manoeuvres

referring to the annual military manoeuvre Parmenion obviously.