Politics & Stuff

[Fernando 6,585]

5 minutes ago, iseah100 said:

I understand the electoral college only votes as the people choose 40% of the time. That is not democracy. 

Because that's the best way to respect the vote of everyone. 
Because for example NYC and California that has the biggest population they will skew the vote to their advantage. And if they are liberal in majority, it will leave the less population will less vote. 

This is the best way so that every state can have their fair share of opinion. Not just be overrun by the big city votes. 

America is not just NYC and California you know....

[kmk108 1,186]

5 minutes ago, iseah100 said:

I understand the electoral college only votes as the people choose 40% of the time. That is not democracy. 

We're not a democracy. We're a republic.

[Fernando 6,585]

This is why I say if those that don't like Trump, don't want to accept him as president and don't agree with the election system, then there's the door. 

Pick up your bag and leave. 

This is the way the country has been run since you was born and will continue to be way after your gone. 

P.S. I totally dislike Obama, way more then Trump, but I accepted it because that was the vote of the people. He won the election and he Is/was president. 

[kmk108 1,186]

7 minutes ago, iseah100 said:

Socialism, done the right way, is what the country needs. If things were equal we wouldn't need it, but we do. I couldn't go to a major university because there was no way for me to pay for it so I had to go to a college in my town. Why are only the well off able to go to whatever school they choose? Shouldn't everyone have the same opportunity? Socialism would have kept Shkerli from raising the price of a life saving drug by 750%. Shouldn't people be paid a minimum wage that will allow them to at least get by? Shouldn't insurance be affordable? My mother needs a liver transplant and there is no way we can get it. We don't qualify for any programs and there is no way we can come up with that money. Socialism is not communism, it's about increasing the opportunity for people who are not as financially stable. 

 

Trump has threatened my family because my dad is an illegal immigrant. He came when he was 16,  made a stupid mistake when he was 18 and is now about to turn 50. He has lived here his entire adult life and he can't get his papers fixed because of a non-violent crime. He works 60 hours a week doing construction, paid about $9 an hour. Trump wants him gone. He wants my aunt gone. He wants my uncles, brother in law, and friends gone. He even threatened sending second generation immigrants "back". He believes you can sexually assault women if you're famous, I have 5 nieces, 3 sisters, and more important women in my life, and this offends me. He thinks global warming is a hoax. He has a VP who believes shock therapy will "cure" my gay brother. He believes women should be punished if they get an abortion. He wants to defund planned parenthood.He presided over one of the biggest HIV outbreaks in rural America, in my home state of Indiana, because of his conservative beliefs. These guys are dangerous not only to me but to the LGBT, Muslim, African American, female, and other communities and I would rather have fucking Kanye West as president over them. Also, side note  "25,000 foreign nationals — or immigrants — were arrested for homicides, but for over a 55-year period between August 1955 and April 2010. In comparison, there were 11,200 arrests for homicides in 2010 alone among the general American population, according to the U.S. Department of Justice statistics (ThinkProgress). 

 

It probably was easier for you to get your papers, one of my uncles in Mexico has tried for years to get his visa and they repeatedly deny him. I understand Clinton flips on her issues a lot but I am okay with that as long as they reflect the views of the people the represent. It means they are growing and paying attention. Yes she lied, but so does Trump. Trump is a fraud, he went bankrupt, refused to release his taxes, is an alleged rapist, outsources for his own company, and has been sued over 3000 times for screwing people over. While Clinton may be bad, she has political experience and would have at least been 4 more years of the progress we've made the last 8, not go backwards. 

I know he won't be able to do everything he says, but the fact that his entire campaign was based off of racism, islamophobia, and hate and was elected president is terrifying to me. I understand that he will be president but that doesn't mean I have to support him or call him my president. Obama had plenty of "birther" people who thought he wasn't even a citizen. 

The republicans have the house and a majority of the senate and they will likely appoint their choice as the supreme court judge because the Democrats will just bend like they usually do. Even if he doesn't get any of his hateful bills passed he still wants to get rid of the EPA and "the war on coal" as well as implement the biggest tax cuts for the top 1 percent in the history of this country. 

This. Just like that law that they tried to pass in Arizona. How would you know someone is an immigrant? Ask for identification? Who do you ask? People who look like immigrants, what comes to mind when people think of immigrants? Latinos. 

 

Socialism has its drawbacks. The monetary impact of providing all of these services would severely raise taxes and increase our national debt by a lot. Some are willing to accept that trade-off, but some aren't. I can see both sides. For me personally, I would love all of those services, but for those that are able to pay, most don't want to pay for those that can't.

For immigration, I hold the belief that you take the risk of deportation by entering illegally. Legal immigration is dependent on skill. Higher-skilled applicants have an easier time entering. It may sound harsh, but I don't think we should have an open, "apply and you're in" policy. If you're unable to legally immigrate, then by all means, try to illegally immigrate, but you are running the risk of paying the consequences of the action.

To be honest, Mike Pence scares me much more than Trump. He has political background/clout and has proven that he's actually able to enact his beliefs.

[iseah100 5,612]

1 minute ago, kmk108 said:

Socialism has its drawbacks. The monetary impact of providing all of these services would severely raise taxes and increase our national debt by a lot. Some are willing to accept that trade-off, but some aren't. I can see both sides. For me personally, I would love all of those services, but for those that are able to pay, most don't want to pay for those that can't.

For immigration, I hold the belief that you take the risk of deportation by entering illegally. Legal immigration is dependent on skill. Higher-skilled applicants have an easier time entering. It may sound harsh, but I don't think we should have an open, "apply and you're in" policy. If you're unable to legally immigrate, then by all means, try to illegally immigrate, but you are running the risk of paying the consequences of the action.

To be honest, Mike Pence scares me much more than Trump. He has political background/clout and has proven that he's actually able to enact his beliefs.

It does but think about the money the United States spends. Nearly 60% of taxes go to defense spending at almost $600 billion dollars. Cut that by 10% is still more than enough for than defense and would make college free for all.

Lowering student loan rates like to what Wall Street banks get from the Federal Reserve at rates below 1% would make college far more affordable. And taxing wall street could generate more revenue. 

Allowing the government to deal with prescription drug companies would at least lower drug costs. These things are all possible and no one (except wall street) would have to pay more. 

[kmk108 1,186]

5 minutes ago, iseah100 said:

It does but think about the money the United States spends. Nearly 60% of taxes go to defense spending at almost $600 billion dollars. Cut that by 10% is still more than enough for than defense and would make college free for all.

Lowering student loan rates like to what Wall Street banks get from the Federal Reserve at rates below 1% would make college far more affordable. And taxing wall street could generate more revenue. 

Allowing the government to deal with prescription drug companies would at least lower drug costs. These things are all possible and no one (except wall street) would have to pay more. 

It sounds great, and I 100% agree with you. I've got 5 years of student debt that I will have to start paying back in the next few months. I'm going to have to deal with my health insurance for the first time. Luckily, for now, I'm in fairly good health and I don't have any medications that I have to regularly take.

But there's no way it's going to happen. Wall Street and the big corporations are in too close with the government (including the big drug companies). The government isn't limited by our current form of government, they're profiting from it. Those that you want to pay more are paying the government to keep them from paying more. The prescription drug companies are lobbying for their drug and against others. The government is just as much at fault for everything that is going on, which is why a lot of people voted for Trump. They looked past the hate and ridiculousness because it either doesn't affect them personally or they're willing to put up with it, because he's a political outsider that is someone who has spent his life as a business professional, not a political professional.

[kmk108 1,186]

So many incidents of Trump supporters harassing and assaulting minorities. This is what happens when you fuel the mouth breathers.

[Muzchap 8,966]

3 hours ago, kmk108 said:

So many incidents of Trump supporters harassing and assaulting minorities. This is what happens when you fuel the mouth breathers.

On this side of the pond it actually looks the other way round 

I get that people are unhappy - but like Brexit (I voted remain) it's now time to roll up your sleeves and say - "What can I do, to make my country a better place?"

Stopping arguing with people about the result was my first step. 

Politicians don't change the world - people do - Scientists, Inventors, people giving and sharing etc. 

Dont fixate on a falsehood of one person having all the power...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

BY FAR the best thing I've heard about this whole thing:

 

More than anyone the left is responsible for Trump and Brexit and the entire shit towards extreme right in the world. 

[lucio 5,418]

5 hours ago, kmk108 said:

So many incidents of Trump supporters harassing and assaulting minorities. This is what happens when you fuel the mouth breathers.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10664/video-trump-voter-dragged-his-car-and-beaten-gang-chase-stephens#

happening on both sides

[Fernando 6,585]

And this is another reason I voted for Trump and not Clinton:

 

LGBT Rights Activists Fear Trump Will Undo Protections Created Under Obama

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501610933/lgbt-rights-activists-fear-trump-will-undo-protections-created-under-obama

 

Hecks yeah I would love that. Me being a bible believing Christian I'm against Homosexual marriage. 

And evangelicals Christian needed to make their vote count. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

39 minutes ago, Fernando said:

And this is another reason I voted for Trump and not Clinton:

 

LGBT Rights Activists Fear Trump Will Undo Protections Created Under Obama

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501610933/lgbt-rights-activists-fear-trump-will-undo-protections-created-under-obama

 

Hecks yeah I would love that. Me being a bible believing Christian I'm against Homosexual marriage. 

And evangelicals Christian needed to make their vote count. 

I'm a Christian. I don't care whether gay marriage is legal or not, I think people should be happy with what they feel like doing with their lives. What I don't like is when a clerk of a state or counties exercises his or her religious rights by not approving what he/she doesn't feel good doing, he/she is sued and sympathy will always fall on the side of the "oppressed". What I don't like is if I own a business store and I refuse to sell to a customer for personal reasons, I am sued for being anti-gay. That is not fair. People should respect the religious freedom which the Constitution clearly states. 

I've seen protests everywhere, people are burning American flags, destroying cars, beating old people who voted Trump and are justifying it using this note that Clinton won the popular vote so the election wasn't fair. But she won by just about 200,000 votes and people forget that 17 million people voted in just California and New-York alone,  where she won about 70 percent of the vote in the two states. So if people want only the popular vote to count then damn, any candidate just needs to campaign in the populous states and forget about the needs of the rest of the other states in America. That's complete rubbish and that's why electoral votes were created to prevent votes skewed in people's favor like that. 

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

And this is another reason I voted for Trump and not Clinton:

 

LGBT Rights Activists Fear Trump Will Undo Protections Created Under Obama

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501610933/lgbt-rights-activists-fear-trump-will-undo-protections-created-under-obama

 

Hecks yeah I would love that. Me being a bible believing Christian I'm against Homosexual marriage. 

And evangelicals Christian needed to make their vote count. 

I don't care about lgbt rights , but this would be a bad move imo.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

BY FAR the best thing I've heard about this whole thing:

 

More than anyone the left is responsible for Trump and Brexit and the entire shit towards extreme right in the world. 

I didn’t see this before. This is a fantastic video and anyone who didn't watch it should try.

The left have gotten lazy, they don't want to debate issues anymore. Anyone who is against their views is a racist, sexist, bigot, islamophobic and that is the end of the discussion. 

There is clearly an immigration problem in America, and Trump said he's going to build a wall, he's going to deport ILLEGAL immigrants. Instead of democrats to come out with a better plan to an obvious problem, like strengthening the borders or have checks, they call everyone that wants the immigration problem solved racist, bigot, islamophobic and mention all those "phobic" and "ist" terms while completely ignoring that there is a problem in the first place. 

I was struggling to find her ideas on what she wanted to do, the change to current problems and all I heard was "at least I'm better than Trump" and that isn't good enough. 

Then to make matters worse, they throw away a honest and passionate candidate like Bernie Sanders (who I like) and threw all their support behind clinton (proved from the email leaks on how the DNC influenced things)

Clinton who called Trump supporters deplorables. What was she thinking?? How is she going to convert those supporters over to her side after insulting them like that??

This is a woman who told wall Street in a speech to speak differently in public from what you want to do in private. How can the people trust her??

She receives donations from Saudi Arabia, wall Street corporate organisations and many other dodgy firms and people like George Soros. How can you vote and feel that she is the one running the country and not those dodgy firms and people??

All these people protesting should direct their anger to their party leadership, who stole a candidate like Bernie Sanders who would have fought for their values honestly. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

This country is unsalvageable sadly.

 

I will be leaving by the end of next year.