BlueLion. 21,491 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If you draw the midfield five up as:Ramires - Lampard - Mikel - Essien - MaloudaYou'd see I'm breaking up no partnerships at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Let's go back to EURO 08 and play 4-1-4-1:1.2.,26.,24.,3.12.7.,8.,16.,21.11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I don't want to see Mata play against Barca at the Nou Camp because we're not going to have a lot of possession. Mata is effective against the 90% of teams we need to break down, Barcelona are part of that 10% who will not give the ball away cheaply and on the rare occasion they do we need to take full advantage on the counter attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Don't think he should be playing next week. The game plan in which we are gonna use against Barcelona doesn't suit him one bit and we may need more attacking threats from the right than just the left like last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 mata had 9 touches in the whole game. 9!!!!! xavi had 137 and you can bet all your money that mata wont get many more at nou camp too. he is a creator and has that normal urge of going ahead which wont work. i say shield iva for the final. play essien insted of mata on the right to take some presure of iva so that he does not get a yellow and miss the final. whoever we play in the final will habe ronaldo or ribery on the right and i dont wanna see bosingwa try to defend against them.cechiva cahill terry cole essien mikel lamps ramiresrauldrogba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I wouldn't if we are to play the same way as last night, it doesn't suit his game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Mata only touched the ball nine times yesterday so he's not really that effective when defending deep against Barca. I'd bench him and If Barca get a goal or two then think about bringing him in because we have to score but if the plan is to keep the game at 0-0 as long as possible with occasional counter-attacks then there's no point starting Mata.Sturridge defended admirably against Valencia on December when we used similar tactics to yesterday's match so if he played with such mentality next week I would give him a start as he could be crucial to our counter-attacks along with Ramires and Drogba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I can understand the opinion why he shouldn't, Barca's marking tactics mixed with hint of fatigue almost nullifies his presence.That being said Mata has the ability to create something out of nothing. He showed it against Tottenham where he was fairly ghosting until that little chip put in to play Ramires through on goal. It's something he's got in his locker and he has a willingness to backtrack. All of this added up means Mata should definitely be on the pitch when it comes down to the Nou Camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Not at allCechIvanovic-Cahill-Terry-ColeMikel-LampardRamires-Mata-SturridgeDrogbaBarcelona will expect us to defend and sit deep again, we can't do it again.Our advantage: Barca didn't get an away goal, and we are 1-0 up.Best one is, is no away goal for Barca, we need the quality upfront to score, if we score once against Barca, then we have a huge advantage. Score another goal... we are pretty much in the final imo, but don't write Barca off like that. Because we still need to defend really well. We need to attack more than we did in the last match, because Barca will expect us to park the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,745 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Why fix something if it isn't broken is the expression I'll stick with here. Why change anything? The possession was 75-25 in favour of them. Not like it's going to be 95-5 at Camp Nou. We stopped them from scoring, we can do it again with the same team. Mata should indeed play. He's one of our better players at holding the ball up and maintaining possession. Another reason I was shocked to see Kalou on instead of Malouda or Sturridge. Sturridge is fantastic at creating and keeping the ball. He could be important in this next fixture as a substitute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Why fix something if it isn't broken is the expression I'll stick with here. Why change anything? The possession was 75-25 in favour of them. Not like it's going to be 95-5 at Camp Nou. We stopped them from scoring, we can do it again with the same team. Mata should indeed play. He's one of our better players at holding the ball up and maintaining possession. Another reason I was shocked to see Kalou on instead of Malouda or Sturridge. Sturridge is fantastic at creating and keeping the ball. He could be important in this next fixture as a substitute. its a stick or twist match really. Hard to know what to do because I think the element of surprise could work as barca will be expecting us to do the whole defensive thing again. Maybe hit them all out attack from the kick off for a while to shake them up or as you say stay with the tried and tested defensive style. But what if they score? Do we sit back and try and get extra time and pens? Bit risky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I don't understand why people want to bench Mata and play such an ultra-defensive game. You can't expect us to keep a clean sheet at Camp Nou. WE HAVE TO SCORE 1 in Spain.What you guys don't realize is that without Mata on the left wing, you are inviting even more pressure from that flank too, cause no one is gonna worry about Kalou while we are on offence, whereas Mata will surely suck in 2 or 3 defenders everytime.The only player I would replace Mata with is Malouda, not Kalou. We have been very lucky with the amount of times Kalou has lost a ball on the counter which in turn begins their counter. It happened 3-4 times against Spurs in the first half and it happened once last night too, but we got lucky.A counter with Kalou, is a counter for the other team waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 remember your own history and we dont need to look very further back to see suicidal tactics deployed. napoli were in search of an away goal and after ac milan got there away goal they started to attack thinkin they can get an even better edge and in both the cases the teams comitted suicide. they attack better and we defend better. lets stick to our guns, park the bus, and if we can stop them till 45 minutes they will try somethin fantastic (like last night when barca started crossin the ball), and then hope for a good counter and a goal. but we should start by parking the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRiver 1,512 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 To think of starting with Kalou instead of Mata in a Champions League semi final at Nou Camp is insanity. That's all I have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'd play the same exact team as the first leg, only exception is Sturridge for Mata.We're going to have like 10% possession, and when we do have the ball we need quick outlets out wide = Rambo and Danny!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,745 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 its a stick or twist match really. Hard to know what to do because I think the element of surprise could work as barca will be expecting us to do the whole defensive thing again. Maybe hit them all out attack from the kick off for a while to shake them up or as you say stay with the tried and tested defensive style. But what if they score? Do we sit back and try and get extra time and pens? Bit riskyI'm just not getting the "Oh, it's Camp Nou now, they're definitely scoring goals there" attitude. Says who? I'd like to see Sturridge play. Ramires was killing them just with his pace on those long balls. If we get Sturridge in there, who is probably our most technically proficient player in the squad with the ball at his feet, I think it will cause them even more problems. He just needs to understand to track back and get into those gaps, to make it easier to defend.I'm sure some have mentioned it, but prior to this game I was sure that we'd have to play Torres in this second one and live off the counter, but it's got to be Drogba. When we do get the ball, we need someone who can hold it. With Ramires and Sturridge on the wings, I think it would lead to great link up play, and Drogba is sublime at finding the gaps as he showed last night as well. I remember the ball he played to Kalou right at the end, and I was thinking to myself, if that had been Sturridge, he would have been quick enough to get there before the Barca player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,745 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'd play the same exact team as the first leg, only exception is Sturridge for Mata.We're going to have like 10% possession, and when we do have the ball we need quick outlets out wide = Rambo and Danny!!Completely agree. Obviously I didn't like the amount of possession we had and the way we played, but the result was great. Having said that, it's a thing of beauty to watch Ramires in full flight attacking the other teams defense. He's gotten quite crafty with the ball as well putting on some nice dukes to get around players in his way. Before he'd just charge. Seems like Danny has showed him a few moves in practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Team at camp nou---------cechIva-Cahill-Terry-coleluiz-mikel-meireles-ramires-------lampard--------drogba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,745 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Team at camp nou---------cechIva-Cahill-Terry-coleluiz-mikel-meireles-ramires-------lampard--------drogbaNow is not the time to experiment and play players like Luiz out of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'm just not getting the "Oh, it's Camp Nou now, they're definitely scoring goals there" attitude. Says who? I'd like to see Sturridge play. Ramires was killing them just with his pace on those long balls. If we get Sturridge in there, who is probably our most technically proficient player in the squad with the ball at his feet, I think it will cause them even more problems. He just needs to understand to track back and get into those gaps, to make it easier to defend.I'm sure some have mentioned it, but prior to this game I was sure that we'd have to play Torres in this second one and live off the counter, but it's got to be Drogba. When we do get the ball, we need someone who can hold it. With Ramires and Sturridge on the wings, I think it would lead to great link up play, and Drogba is sublime at finding the gaps as he showed last night as well. I remember the ball he played to Kalou right at the end, and I was thinking to myself, if that had been Sturridge, he would have been quick enough to get there before the Barca player. I never said barca would definitely score! I posed the question what if they score and my post wasn't advocating the defence or offence, just stating the quandary bobby Di faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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