zolayes 14,489 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Some people really love using some players as scapegoats.Anelka hรกs been more useful than Lampard since past season, and only right they are conviced the english is no longer an untouchable.Today Terry failed in two set pieces. One was a goal, and the other one was really close, and nobody is talking bullshit about him.you are correct twice ....many like to find scapegoats and are much more forgiving in judging English players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I know what you mean Zolayes, if its Drogba or Obi they will get a rollicking but if its Ashley Cole or John Terry then its fine, i have seen it many times when i have attended live games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin_3d Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Some people really love using some players as scapegoats.Anelka hรกs been more useful than Lampard since past season, and only right they are conviced the english is no longer an untouchable.Today Terry failed in two set pieces. One was a goal, and the other one was really close, and nobody is talking bullshit about him.Yeah i know i mention before that Terry must also be bench and to use Ivan and David Luiz as main CB! Even though i think Alex has been our best defender this season despite the red card he got.But AVB has bench Kalou, Malouda and Lampard. So he is doing good. I did not think Terry issue was as major urgency like these 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Some people really love using some players as scapegoats.Anelka hรกs been more useful than Lampard since past season, and only right they are conviced the english is no longer an untouchable.Today Terry failed in two set pieces. One was a goal, and the other one was really close, and nobody is talking bullshit about him.It is true, and i don't know why it's english players, could be coincidence, Ashley is never a problem, but Terry and Lampard are problems a lot, they are legends and the best players who ever played for this club, but when they put a bad performance in, sometimes game after game they never get as much grief as they do when David Luiz/Alex/Bosingwa does it, and the same goes for a lot of other players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King11Didier 916 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Jose Bosingwa is....For SaleWe need another right back in the winter transfer window.He is very bad at defending.I liked him before the injury.He had good shot.Good cross and no so bad at defending.Now he is very bad in defending and crosses.Sometimes is good in shooting but sometimes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Dam. Is there any good RB out there we can get? billy Clifford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaChick 430 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 ...a really hairy man. I like him but he pisses me off at times. Would much rather he was only on in case of emergencies for example one of our other defenders getting injured! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,441 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I think his defensive abilities are a bit under-rated....IMO, he's probably one of maybe two people in the team who, if he puts his mind to it, can go one on one with any winger and actually stop him...whether it be a Messi or Ashley Young for that matter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Bosingwa is not much better than Ivanoviฤ offensively, but Ivanoviฤ is way better than Bosingwa defensively.thank you..did anyone see ramires' second goal and who played the ball too him he has a goal and a few assists this season and people are righting him off..what about last season when we only really had ivan and he had bad ames you were not calling for his head...i think if its not broke don't fix it the backline needs some tweaks and he could use some work on his defending but the style we play we need a guy like him as long as we have cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRiver 1,512 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 He was very poor today actually. Shaky defending, awful crossing and his runs forward were so predictable. Lost the ball many times and added nothing offensively really. If you compare him to Cole, they're totally different. Cole was brilliant both defensively and offensively. Bosingwa shows no aggression or pressure and often gets beaten in one on one battles.His mistake led to the goal and nobody can deny it. In set pieces you have to mark your opponent or he's going to punish you. His job was to mark one man (not two or three) and he did nothing to prevent him from scoring. He didn't mark his man at all, it's okay if he jumps over you or somehow manages to head the ball luckily, but that Swansea player had all the space in the world.AVB should either play with Ivanovic on that right flank (whilst Luiz as a CB) or go for a right defender in the January window. Bosingwa is imo our weakest player and our worst performer at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 cool..we have another african. Our killa AVB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 You don't see a lot of wing backs with great defending skills. Cole is a rare exception. For a wing back Bosingwa is actually not bad at defending. He's a decent marker and a tackler who has a fair amount of composure and skills to help him get around trouble. On his day, he can keep any winger under control, as he showed at OT last week against Ashley Young, who's on fire. But he does lack consistency and concentration, which is why he can be frustrating at times. Still, he's a very good player, and I don't think finding someone significantly better than him will be that easy. Having said that, though, I'd rather see Ivanovic on the right side with Luiz in the middle because I want to see more stability in defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 i think people are being too damn critical of bosingwa. dont forget guys that he was our best defender against manu (or so i feel), he completely nullified young. today we were 3-0up and sometimes u just switch off, that is probably what might have happened. plus i think he is a great option for us while going forward. maybe we expect him to be more like cole (awesome in both defense and attack) but jose is not as strong defensively but i dont think there are many rbs who are better than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Jose Bosingwa is....For SaleWe need another right back in the winter transfer window.He is very bad at defending.I liked him before the injury.He had good shot.Good cross and no so bad at defending.Now he is very bad in defending and crosses.Sometimes is good in shooting but sometimes....You are fucking kidding me right?...some people on here are incredibly selfish, Bosingwa has put in great performances and for just one you want to sell him, it's actually getting fucking stupid now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson 358 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Bosingwa is a great RWB so shut the fuck up haters. I love having 2 RBs.....Well a RB and RWB (Ivan and Jose) as it mixes things up and can be useful depending on wether we need to attack or defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Bosingwa is a great RWB so shut the fuck up haters. I love having 2 RBs.....Well a RB and RWB (Ivan and Jose) as it mixes things up and can be useful depending on wether we need to attack or defend.Someone puts in a bad performance and people on here want them gone... Bosingwa also got an assist v Swansea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 10,227 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Bosingwa is the most frustrating player. He is not a good defender and if you think so you are blind to the fact how often he is out of position. When he goes forward he slows the play a whole lot with his ridiculous step overs or by running into defender, 1 in 5 tries he will get around the player and then he will cut it back and try again. Ivan is much more solid at right back and deserve to be playing there instead of Boss. I understand it is not his natural position but when Alex and Luiz are fully fit i would much prefer see them central and Ivan at right back over Boss.Look at the united games last season, twice he cost us goals from his lack of judgement of play. He was even in the right positions but his defensive knowledge is so far off. He lets players get on the inside of him far to easily and if you think otherwise then go watch the last 3 games we have played on replay.The only thing benefiting Jose is his pace and how he can get back pretty quick, but by the time he is there he does something stupid anyway. Not saying this is on all occasions but most of the time this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Well let us look at all the other RB and RWB in the world today. But first let's forget about Ivanovic for the moment.MaiconSergio RamosDani AlvesGregory Van Der WielAnthony RรฉveillรจreRod FanniAzpilicuetaMicah RichardsThat is all I can think of. SO, who would you pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5354 204 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 honestly i thought bosingwa was decent in defending. yes he was not good in defending set pieces, but he did well to stop sinclair's crosses, stop him from getting past him, basically stopping his attacking instincts on our right handside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Well let us look at all the other RB and RWB in the world today. But first let's forget about Ivanovic for the moment.MaiconSergio RamosDani AlvesGregory Van Der WielAnthony RรฉveillรจreRod FanniAzpilicuetaMicah RichardsThat is all I can think of. SO, who would you pick?Maicon, Ramos or AlvesThere is really a shortage of world class wing backs/full backs, I think it might be the most unpopular position for children and hence it shows on higher level. You have to face quick and witty wingers and it can really fuck you up mentally, since it's one of the most important jobs on the field to contain the likes of Messi, Ronaldinho, Neymar, Ronaldo, Nani and they will almost always humiliate you and make you look like a fool. Defending against world class wingers is probably the hardest task in defense and proper full backs who don't get humiliated in attack AND defence are real gems... Even midfielders don't have to be as complete as them. They act like box-to-box midfielders throughout the game, only on the flanks and have greater responsibility in defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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