Messi: I hate Chelsea (7 years ago)

[communicate 2,703]

I dont't think messi will ever win a world cup. You need a very good defense to win a knock out competition.

I watched Argentina in last copa America, their defense was very poor

[capriccioso 2,545]

Maradona to an extent carried Argentina, and he certainly carried Napoli. He turned an average side into Italian champions, that takes some doing. And Argentina do have world class players in their set up apart from Messi, like Aguero and Tevez amongst others.

Yes, Pele had the luck of being in the same team as many of the greatest players, but still, Messi is in a class team with club and country yet Pele outshone him. Having a good team is somewhat overrated, we had a brilliant team in 06/07 but did it help Shevchenko score goals? No.

[warnie_666 1,081]

So, Messi isn't the GOAT because he didn't win the World Cup. Now, tell me how many times Pelé and Maradona have won the Champions League ?

Sorry..but thats a stupid argument. Maradona didnt play in a great side in Europe....His Napoli was an average European Side. Players are judged by what they have won. Messi for Argentina is absolutely pants compare to what he does at barca. He lacks the drive that maradona provided. When you talk about great players, like pele, zidane and Maradona, they have one thing in common. They are World Cup Winners. Maradona and Zidane played a stellar role in getting their teams to the finals and helping them win it. Messi so far is miles off doing that for Argentina. Hence my issue with people calling him the greatest player ever. Football is not just about club football.

[Henrique 9,128]

Whats the point of this topic? I really hope Messi just forgot this.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Sorry..but thats a stupid argument. Maradona didnt play in a great side in Europe....His Napoli was an average European Side. Players are judged by what they have won. Messi for Argentina is absolutely pants compare to what he does at barca. He lacks the drive that maradona provided. When you talk about great players, like pele, zidane and Maradona, they have one thing in common. They are World Cup Winners. Maradona and Zidane played a stellar role in getting their teams to the finals and helping them win it. Messi so far is miles off doing that for Argentina. Hence my issue with people calling him the greatest player ever. Football is not just about club football.

Agreed, so far he hasn't even proven himself outside of Barca let alone on the International stage

[ulsterchelsea 3,189]

Sorry..but thats a stupid argument. Maradona didnt play in a great side in Europe....His Napoli was an average European Side. Players are judged by what they have won. Messi for Argentina is absolutely pants compare to what he does at barca. He lacks the drive that maradona provided. When you talk about great players, like pele, zidane and Maradona, they have one thing in common. They are World Cup Winners. Maradona and Zidane played a stellar role in getting their teams to the finals and helping them win it. Messi so far is miles off doing that for Argentina. Hence my issue with people calling him the greatest player ever. Football is not just about club football.

his argument is apt actually. Wasn't it you who said maradonna single handedly took Argentina to a world cup and single handedly took napoli to a league title? Yet you say napoli didn't play in a good enough team for European success? Why did he not single handedly take them to success then? This is based on your rationale of course

[ulsterchelsea 3,189]

By the way George best is regarded by many in the game as one of the best ever yet we ain't got a world cup to our names in Northern Ireland. I guess then that relegated his status to just good

[OneMoSalah 8,259]

I hope David Luiz reminds Messi of these comments with a swift kick in the nuts. Lool

[TomCFC 356]

Agreed, so far he hasn't even proven himself outside of Barca let alone on the International stage

I can't stand the argument that he hasn't won a World Cup yet. Club football and the Champions League has overtaken that as a benchmark of success.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I can't stand the argument that he hasn't won a World Cup yet. Club football and the Champions League has overtaken that as a benchmark of success.

No it hasn't. Any fool can win a CL (see also: Djimi Traore) but it takes a real champion to win a WC.

[BlueDutchy 63]

There is no such thing as a 'best player ever'.. You can be the best player of your generation but you can't compare Messi to Maradonna or Pele. Football has evolved i the course of time.

In the time of Péle, the medical staff was worse, the balls were heavier, the shoes were heavier, the pitch was worse. Things have improved since then and football is a lot 'easier' now. The football players have complete guidance and everything is taken care of for them.

Maradonna was the best of his generation, so were Cruijff and Péle, so was Zidane, Di stefano

[ulsterchelsea 3,189]

No it hasn't. Any fool can win a CL (see also: Djimi Traore) but it takes a real champion to win a WC.

you mean like kleberson

[Justin_3d 1,140]

No it hasn't. Any fool can win a CL (see also: Djimi Traore) but it takes a real champion to win a WC.

WC ain't what it used to be 2 decades ago.

[warnie_666 1,081]

his argument is apt actually. Wasn't it you who said maradonna single handedly took Argentina to a world cup and single handedly took napoli to a league title? Yet you say napoli didn't play in a good enough team for European success? Why did he not single handedly take them to success then? This is based on your rationale of course

I am assuming you mean Maradona and not Napoli in that stament.

You might as well ask me why he didnt take all the teams he played for throughout his career in Spain, italy argentina, to glory. Althought that is an absurdly stupid question but whatever.

Based on my rationale you tell me if Messi's performance for his country is as good as the ones for Barcelona. 1 goal in two world cups. Even ballack has a better goals to games ratio for his country than Messi. When Messi delivers these performances for his country and wins it, then I would agree but untill then, Maradona is class apart.

[warnie_666 1,081]

his argument is apt actually. Wasn't it you who said maradonna single handedly took Argentina to a world cup and single handedly took napoli to a league title? Yet you say napoli didn't play in a good enough team for European success? Why did he not single handedly take them to success then? This is based on your rationale of course

Too much to ask from a player, dont you think? Specially playing for a side that had never won the Italian league...asking if he won the European cup cus Messi won it playing for the best side ever is a stupid argument to start with.

[ulsterchelsea 3,189]

I am assuming you mean Maradona and not Napoli in that stament.

You might as well ask me why he didnt take all the teams he played for throughout his career in Spain, italy argentina, to glory. Althought that is an absurdly stupid question but whatever.

yes I did mean maradonna, sorry. As for the second paragraph of your reply, surely you realise that what you are stating that I am saying is, in fact, what YOU actually said eg. Maradonna single handedly won a world cup and italian title. Again by your rationale if he could do that SINGLE HANDEDLY with argies and napoli then why not with everyone else? You already rendered his team mates with those two sides immaterial so why not his other teams lol.

[ulsterchelsea 3,189]

Too much to ask from a player, dont you think? Specially playing for a side that had never won the Italian league...asking if he won the European cup cus Messi won it playing for the best side ever is a stupid argument to start with.

AGAIN these are YOUR COMMENTS I'm quoting lol. Read back if your unsure

[Ollie 4,400]

Single handedly is such a cruel thing to say when talking about Maradona lol cheating drugged up midget cunt. He never won the UCL tho so he couldn't 'single handedly' do absolutely anything could he

[Ben. 57]

FUCK messi and FUCK UEFAlona.

[communicate 2,703]

There is no point comparing two players in two different eras, everything is different so there is absolutely no point.

Btw there is not such thing as single handedly winning the league/cup in football. Football is a team game, you need your teammate probably more than any game. Can Maradona score a goal by passing 3-4 players ? yes he can, but can he do that every single game ? Can he stop other team from scoring ? Does he need his teammate to open up space for him and pass him the ball ?

In football it's better to have 11 good player rather than 1 great player and 10 crappy players.

You can put maradona/messi/CR to wigan, I am pretty sure they are not going to win the league,