What will sacking AVB actually achieve?

[Tomo 21,733]

The job he has had on from the start was next to impossible, in the summer he took on a bunch of egotistical, past it, well fed "superstars" who have been playing the previous season in a casual mode i do when i play headers and volley's up the park.

What will it take for every-one to realize its the players that are the problem, is it really going to take Jose or Hiddink coming back and struggling just as bad? Their last reign's Jose inherited a spine of players on the up, all he had to do what a little sprinkle of the squad with a few signing's and he was laughing.

The squad when Hiddink came in were still in and around their peak, he done fantastic when he was here, absolutely fantastic, i still laugh at the way he royally owned Benitez and (unbeknown at the time) started Liverpool's downfall but he is no superman and as his spell at Turkey and Real Madrid shown, he isn't immune to walking around wondering what the hell to do when things start going wrong. How do you know it won't be any different with these group of players?

This club has been riddled with player power for years, we spent most of last season screaming for Carlo to try and stop this player power and stamp his authority but it got even madder (Malouda getting haircuts at training, Cole bringing in a machine gun, a revolving door for visitors at the gate), AVB has come in and done his utmost to get rid of this player power for good, only visitors are allowed in if they have an appointment, no more Cole machine gun rubbish and no more revolving door. Yes AVB may have gone a bit to far in the Anelka and Alex situation, but it's better that than let player power get even worse no?

Speaking of player power if AVB get's sacked, these well fed "superstars" have won again, they will start to believe they are invincible, if AVB goes we might aswel make all them joint managers and be done with it. Its time to show them this is Chelsea FC not (insert well fed "superstars" name here) FC and sacking AVB will make it twice as harder than it already is.

The most important thing seem's (for me) to be that the group of players we currently have that are considered to be our future are behind him (DL4, Ramires, Romeu, Mata, Danny etc) there the future of this team, the well fed and past it "superstars" who want AVB out and are showing no effort whatsoever can leave, keeping them and making player power worse will be disastrous.

It's no secret that SO FAR (in capital letters as those are the key words) AVB has fallen well below expectation's, but it's not like a season like this has came out of the blue, there has been problems with players in the team since 2008, all of our season's (bar the double) have been well below par for our recent standards. Also have you forgotten just how bad it was last season and that was under one of the best managers in the world. While there was a few (me included) who thought AVB's Porto momentum could have given us an outside shot at the title, i was always prepared for the worst case scanereo, which is not far off what has happened and thinking back at comments from August/September a lot of user's on here were prepared for this possibility.

Right now our team overall is in a mess and something has not been completely right since 08/09, even in the double winning season we had some stinking performances, infact after the Inter and Blackburn double header (where we went out of the CL and lost our place at the top of the table) it looked like that season was going all wrong until the team somehow found that extra bit of hunger, energy and determination to get that double in the last couple of months (which ironically probably delayed the rebuilding process), it will take a while to get back to being one of the best in Europe if we do at-all, but it was our fault for not strengthening and adding to the squad when we were one of the best in Europe.

In terms of the problem's we have at this club right now, AVB is a long long way down the list, and we cannot even contemplate sacking him until at the very least the well fed past it "superstars" have left.

The double was a classic example of short term gain for longer pain, now we have to work it the other way, because letting AVB go before the ego's go will put us back to square one.

[MGuerreiro 252]

Good points.

Also, even if we don't look at how few managers are even available right now, I have to ask, what the fuck do you think bringing in a new manager would accomplish at this stage?

The board keep making the same stupid fucking mistakes, firing managers in every season. Most of the fans are furious over it and really want the board to change it's ways. But then, when it comes to bad results, many of the same people are asking why the board hasn't sacked this "clown"/"redbeard"/"idiot" or whatever the fuck you want to call our clubs MANAGER.

AVB is not stupid. He's in fact a very smart man, yet almost everyone on here questions every single thing he does, acting like you know the team much better than him.

I want to see the youngsters play, I really do. But how the fuck can all of you think that Hutchinson (who hasn't played a game in god knows how long) is better fit for the RB position than Bosingwa? How the fuck do you know that Piazon could even make a single pass in the physical premier league when he didn't even play a first team game at Sao Paulo?

How can you demand that AVB changes his tactics to 4-2-3-1, and then be furious over the fact that he plays the only winger in the squad, Malouda, on the left wing? How can you demand that he buys a player in January when you have no idea if there is even an adequate player on the market? He tried to sign the likes of Lucas Moura, but the money was too high. Then you demand that he buys him anyways, and on the next forum I read you are talking about the fact that you hate how Chelsea overpays for players.

How can you know that Alex and Anelka didn't demand a transfer request? How can you know that AVB's decision to loan out Benayoun wasn't made because the board assured him that they would get Modric?

How the fuck can you act like AVB's has no clue in what he's doing?

Of course, this isn't pointed out to every single one of the members of this forum (of course not), rather a variety of posts I've seen over the recent months in this forum. I'm just sick at reading stupid posts about AVB's management.

Get behind our fucking manager.

[Tomo 21,733]

Good points.

Also, even if we don't look at how few managers are even available right now, I have to ask, what the fuck do you think bringing in a new manager would accomplish at this stage?

The board keep making the same stupid fucking mistakes, firing managers in every season. Most of the fans are furious over it and really want the board to change it's ways. But then, when it comes to bad results, many of the same people are asking why the board hasn't sacked this "clown"/"redbeard"/"idiot" or whatever the fuck you want to call our clubs MANAGER.

AVB is not stupid. He's in fact a very smart man, yet almost everyone on here questions every single thing he does, acting like you know the team much better than him.

I want to see the youngsters play, I really do.

Im not even joking if it comes down to it we should sack some of the well fed players, if that isn't a clear statement that player power is a thing of the past i don't know what is!!

For the youngsters point we can't judge AVB till he's been here 18 months, but even so far ive only been disappointed with the game time for Bertrand, throwing Hutch in is a big ask, McEachran would have played more if the season went to plan and Lukaku struggled at the start and had a bit of time in the reserve's and lately has looked lively when played, so i think AVB has got it spot on with Lukaku if im honest.

[BlueDutchy 63]

I think Abramovich made a mistake with signing Villas-Boas..

We are going through a unique proces and this is a crucial part. Chelsea was one of the first clubs who was bought by a wealthy owner and 'bought' their way to succes by spending a lot on players. Now we are, unlike Real Madrid who still spend loads of money every 4/5 years, trying to become financially healthy club and still win prizes at the same time. This is something that (as far as I know) has never been done before on this big a scale. We have to come from far and during this proces the results still have to be good looking at our finances. If we don't get into a top 4 spot and get into the CL we'll lose about 35 million pounds income, We can't afford that with the FFP coming up.

I don't think it was a good decision to appoint a young, unexperienced manager to do this task. I know we shouldn't expect good results from him, but he at least has to manage to get us into the top 4. From the start there was a lot of pressure on him from the start and now he looks like he is really struggling. It isn't entirely his fault. Both players and manager have made mistakes, but I believe appointing Villas-Boas was a bad decision. I am not saying he isn't talentend or a good manager, because he is. He just isn't the right man for us right now

Edit:

I do think we should all support him right now and that he has to stay. I just wanted to make clear that I think it was the wrong decision by Abramovich

[Tomo 21,733]

@BlueDutchy

Regarding a top 4 finish i seriously think we should consider saying to Drogba (and promising him in writing) we will give him that 2 year deal if he plays a significant role in getting us in the top 4.

I don't think its the right thing to do at-all but Gourlay should consider the cost's of Drogba's new contract against the prospect of missing out on CL football.

[Fulham Broadway 16,849]

I am not sure it will achieve anything - but he seems as clueless as the previous encumbents. Yes the players must take some blame, and it was unfortunate Mourinho calling them the 'untouchables' -this has resulted in some arrogance that theyare immoveable. But the board and Roman must shoulder some responsibility for trying someone so young and inexperienced. He seems scared like the others to think outside the box. -the highline took an age to be rectified, the predictable or wrong substitutions, the inability to hang on to a lead. just common basics. I could cut him some slack if I'd seen some effort to get away from the old and worn style

Wolves have said they are not in the market for a 'novice' manager, so why the fuck were we .

At the end of the day it's the fans I feel for, that pay their hard earned and keep turning out to watch 11 full internationals coached by a European trophy winning manager dish up total shit week in week out.

[Tomo 21,733]

I am not sure it will achieve anything - but he seems as clueless as the previous encumbents. Yes the players must take some blame, and it was unfortunate Mourinho calling them the 'untouchables' -this has resulted in some arrogance that theyare immoveable. But the board and Roman must shoulder some responsibility for trying someone so young and inexperienced. He seems scared like the others to think outside the box. -the highline took an age to be rectified, the predictable or wrong substitutions, the inability to hang on to a lead. just common basics. I could cut him some slack if I'd seen some effort to get away from the old and worn style

Wolves have said they are not in the market for a 'novice' manager, so why the fuck were we .

At the end of the day it's the fans I feel for, that pay their hard earned and keep turning out to watch 11 full internationals coached by a European trophy winning manager dish up total shit week in week out.

To be fair its not like he was a total novice, walked into Porto and easily got the better of Jorge Jesus (an experienced manager himself), on the pitch and the table.

Ofcourse he has made mistakes but Carlo and Scolari both did and their expierenced gaffers.

Fully agree with your comment about the fans however.

[BlueDutchy 63]

@BlueDutchy

Regarding a top 4 finish i seriously think we should consider saying to Drogba (and promising him in writing) we will give him that 2 year deal if he plays a significant role in getting us in the top 4.

I don't think its the right thing to do at-all but Gourlay should consider the cost's of Drogba's new contract against the prospect of missing out on CL football.

You think that will make a big difference? Then we should drop Drogba next season and then we'll be stuck with an expensive, old striker for two years. You'll see that in a year and a half we are all screaming how we shouldn't have extended Drogba contract for two years.

[Fulham Broadway 16,849]

To be fair its not like he was a total novice, walked into Porto and easily got the better of Jorge Jesus (an experienced manager himself), on the pitch and the table.

Ofcourse he has made mistakes but Carlo and Scolari both did and their expierenced gaffers.

Fully agree with your comment about the fans however.

Yup to be fair the general consensus on this forum was that its a ''season of transition''.

Fair enough, but if he doesnt get the top 4 or any cup success, guaranteed hes going the way the board have set the policy at SW6, namely the revolving door , so its tata Senor Villash Boash

[laura90 556]

I honestly believe that there is no Chelsea football fan who believes sacking AVB would be solution to everything. Even make a significant impact.

We are now dealing with squad with disturbed relationships within, without leadership, without team spirit, unity, desire, motivation and I could go on and on. It's not all up to coach. Simply, the backbone we used to rely on is not reliable any more and we don't have another one. Rebuilding that had to take place, did not. Now we are paying the price.

Untill we rebuild the squad and say goodbye to some players, there is no manager who can be successfull here. Not even Mourinho without 4 new players. If AVB believed he could, he was naive. And at this moment he is having hard time. And he makes mistakes. He is just not up to this complex situation. It was a posibility.

No matter how bad he seems, this squad structure and relationships within are as bad. That must be solved first. Scouting for new players and signing them would make me much happier than sacking AVB. And maybe, just maybe we can't afford both.

[manpe 10,861]

It doesn't help that AVB's assistants are inexperienced as well. AVB should have an experienced backing, an assistant coach makes more difference than people think (Clarke, Wilkins anyone?). I'm surprised this issue hasn't been brought up before... it's not like Di Matteo and Holland had amazing careers prior. None of the 3 strike me as authoritative.

[Fernando 6,463]

Nothing

[Santiago. 1,500]

Like i said, keep him till the end of the season, a squad with our prestige, quality of players, and budget, and manages only outside the top 4 imo is unacceptable, unless massive, and i mean massive changes are made

[Ollie 4,400]

Gonna answer the question instead of saying the same thing in the 5th thread.

What will sacking AVB actually achieve?

It will simply stop the AVB project and we'll get someone with different idea's who may have a different style of player and game style. I don't want it to happen but if it does, please get a manager who knows how to play with 2 up front like Ranieri did.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

To answer the question, it would only throw the past 7 months down the drain since the new manager who would come here would know nothing about our squad and our problems which he's have to rediscover again. More importantly I think it would be a massive blow for our hopes in the summer transfer window.

[Kezza 1,965]

I willl achieve nothing but cause more unrest within the club.

Enforce the label that Chelsea has.

If we dont make the top four for a couple of years while AVB is sorting this shit cake out, so be it. And based on what I've read on the forum about ponsy bean counters going to watch the game and not giving a shit, maybe ticket prices will go down making it easier for others to make it to games.

Sacking is a bad idea.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

What's this? A sensible, good and reasonable post on Talk Chelsea during times of despair and anguish? Tomo-91 I salute you sir. You have achieved the unachievable. You are my hero. God bless!!!

[Henrique 9,133]

No reason for this topic, some mod should merge this into AVB Out, otherwise I think I also can create one with my own views about the good things sacking AVB will achieve.