John Terry Stripped of England Captaincy

[Igi26 346]

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsAndFeatures/2012/john-terry-statement-030212.aspx

It's official

[zolayes 14,489]

http://www.thefa.com...ent-030212.aspx

It's official

That won't sate the blood hungry hyenas in the press. Or the publicity seeking black players.

[magicrico 175]

No, you don't get it. We're (or at least I'm) not saying all this "fuck the FA" stuff because he was stripped of the captaincy. It's because they did it without a verdict actually being given to him. They are free to do it if and when he is proven guilty and I won't blame them at all. But it is wrong for them to do it now imo

Yeah IYO, IMO watch the TV and get back to me. I don't need to repeat it. It's there for all to see. Regardless of the verdict he said those words. Fact.

[The Big Drog 1,110]

Yeah IYO, IMO watch the TV and get back to me. I don't need to repeat it. It's there for all to see. Regardless of the verdict he said those words. Fact.

I didn't realise you were a qualified lip-reader, can I have your contact details because there are so many situations in my everyday life where I think "man Id love a certified lipreader, I am just a novice lipreader..."

Innocent until proven guilty?

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

This is so fucking ridocolous whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. Oh wait this is a Chelsea player we're talking about time for FA to use their double standards again. FA have really fucked this one up big time. All I can say is Anton Fucking Ferdinand got what he wanted. I really hope JT gets proven innocent, I'd like to see the FA answer that one.

[nullabletype 987]

Yeah IYO, IMO watch the TV and get back to me. I don't need to repeat it. It's there for all to see. Regardless of the verdict he said those words. Fact.

And so you miss the point entirely once again. John Terry doesn't deny saying what he said, it's the context that it was used. He claims that he was accused of saying "Fucking black cunt" and when he heard it, he repeated it as in, "Are you saying I called you a fucking black cunt?" or words to hat extent. Yes, there is videos of him saying that, but it's all contextual. Somebody could film me right now saying, "It's deplorable to use the term 'black cunt'" then cut the video so it only shows me saying "black cunt". Then what? am I automatically a racist without my case being reviewed?

[The Big Drog 1,110]

And so you miss the point entirely once again. John Terry doesn't deny saying what he said, it's the context that it was used. He claims that he was accused of saying "Fucking black cunt" and when he heard it, he repeated it as in, "Are you saying I called you a fucking black cunt?" or words to hat extent. Yes, there is videos of him saying that, but it's all contextual. Somebody could film me right now saying, "It's deplorable to use the term 'black cunt'" then cut the video so it only shows me saying "black cunt". Then what? am I automatically a racist without my case being reviewed?

According to the FA, yes.

[magicrico 175]

And so you miss the point entirely once again. John Terry doesn't deny saying what he said, it's the context that it was used. He claims that he was accused of saying "Fucking black cunt" and when he heard it, he repeated it as in, "Are you saying I called you a fucking black cunt?" or words to hat extent. Yes, there is videos of him saying that, but it's all contextual. Somebody could film me right now saying, "It's deplorable to use the term 'black cunt'" then cut the video so it only shows me saying "black cunt". Then what? am I automatically a racist without my case being reviewed?

While I get everyone jumping on my dick here. I know exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. All my point is, even after that he says fucking nob head or something such...It doesn't look good any which way you see it and yes the video may have panned on him at the right time, but how are you ever meant to prove anything apart from he said it in that way when the video everyone see's shows him saying it? nothing before and nothign after. I just can't see how he can get out of that situation. Thats why I think based on that he's been stripped.

[Badboy 1,526]

He's not fit to be Chelsea captain either . I'm glad he's lost the armband, Terry is a scumbag and the FA have got this spot on. They should of done it sooner !

[magicrico 175]

I didn't realise you were a qualified lip-reader, can I have your contact details because there are so many situations in my everyday life where I think "man Id love a certified lipreader, I am just a novice lipreader..."

Innocent until proven guilty?

Don't really get your post? As mentioned Terry admitted to saying it unless you believe something else? So i don't need to be a qualified lip reader. Quite welcome to send me a vid and I will try my hardest though pal

[The Big Drog 1,110]

While I get everyone jumping on my dick here. I know exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. All my point is, even after that he says fucking nob head or something such...It doesn't look good any which way you see it and yes the video may have panned on him at the right time, but how are you ever meant to prove anything apart from he said it in that way when the video everyone see's shows him saying it? nothing before and nothign after. I just can't see how he can get out of that situation. Thats why I think based on that he's been stripped.

As Kyle said though, context is everything. If you can't prove that what he is saying isn't in the context that Anton Ferdinand says it is in then he should be proven innocent, because, the saying goes, innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Anyway, the other main point is that the FA should have waited for the court to reach a verdict before punishing someone.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Cappello will also give in to the media pressures and not include John in the Euro squad, the way i see it. So he might as well save his dignity and tell the FA to f*ck off now.

[nullabletype 987]

While I get everyone jumping on my dick here. I know exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. All my point is, even after that he says fucking nob head or something such...It doesn't look good any which way you see it and yes the video may have panned on him at the right time, but how are you ever meant to prove anything apart from he said it in that way when the video everyone see's shows him saying it? nothing before and nothign after. I just can't see how he can get out of that situation. Thats why I think based on that he's been stripped.

Person 1 - It's deplorable to use the term "black cunt"

Person 2 - Did you just call him a black cunt?

Person 1 - Are you accusing me of calling him a black cunt? Fucking nob head!

So I mean, there you go. There's an example where that could happen. I'd be pretty miffed if somebody accused me of saying something like that if I didn't. (of course he may well have said it, we'll know soon enough).

But the point is this, a court isn't going to sit round, watch the video then make a verdict. They're going to see the video, probably have witnesses and character references. There's a lot more to go on than that video, which may or may not be conveniently timed.

[The Big Drog 1,110]

Don't really get your post? As mentioned Terry admitted to saying it unless you believe something else? So i don't need to be a qualified lip reader. Quite welcome to send me a vid and I will try my hardest though pal

As I said above, if you can prove that what he is saying is in the context that Anton Ferdinand says it is in, then great. If, on the otherhand, you can lipread Terry saying "I didn't call you...." then the context of what Terry has said is very different and there is no need for a courtcase or him being stripped of the England captaincy. However until somebody conclusively proves the context then nobody can make a decision until the court reaches a verdict, which is why the FA punishment is ridiculous.

But yes, thank you, if there is ever an occasion where I feel a lipreader would come in handy, you will be at the top of my list.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

There's only one England captain.