Our best players are our problems

[Chelsea? 892]

we are a team and a million miles away from Barcelona ,,,our task now is to get back to where we can win the PL again ,,,,and THAT is not

going to be easy.

we are a long way from barca but since we play the same formation as them, trying to play like them is the best we can do. i would like a diff formation but i dnt want a coach that is too soft on his ideals. That's why I hope we slowly implement the high line again

[BLionheart 516]

I don't understand.

Forwards are more rated than midfielders so a great forward should easily claim a place in the top 20 players but midfielders are more under-rated so there are actually many great midfielders who might not feature in the top 20 list.

The point is you can hardly name 10 players that you would rather have in midfield than Modric , But i can name at least 10 forwards who i would rather have than Mata not because Mata is bad but he is certainly not the man to lead our front line to glory a la (Messi-Ronaldo-Robben).

[BLionheart 516]

Sturridge would start over Nasri and Dzeko first of all. Him and Balotelli are on the same level. He would probably not start every game then again even Aguero rotates in City attack.

I think you are underrating him and our rivals would love to have him.

Mata has to do a lot for our lack of midfield because no one in our midfield can connect more then two passes in row so he has to drop back a lot , he would naturally perform better and be more consistent when our midfield is resolved. Same goes for Sturridge.

btw no way is Luiz world class, i think he has been unfairly criticized and i am a huge fan but just no.

Although i don't agree with you but at least I can understand your claims regarding the Helpless Mata and David Luiz , but to claim that sturridge is better than Nasri !! and on the same level as Balotelli then you are either blinded by your love for the blue shirt or you don't watch Man city games often enough.

Balotelli is an extremely good player who is definitely better than sturridge , he more gifted , skillful , better technically and stronger than our daniel , better in the air and is a natural goalscorer .

[eldo 868]

Forwards are more rated than midfielders so a great forward should easily claim a place in the top 20 players but midfielders are more under-rated so there are actually many great midfielders who might not feature in the top 20 list.

The point is you can hardly name 10 players that you would rather have in midfield than Modric , But i can name at least 10 forwards who i would rather have than Mata not because Mata is bad but he is certainly not the man to lead our front line to glory a la (Messi-Ronaldo-Robben).

Name 10. Messi and Ronaldo are excluded.

[Naked Mole Rat 437]

Can't believe this. I know that we don't have many great players, but don't be ungrateful we could be Liverpool with their garbage.

Well put. He's been constantly and unnecessarily bashing some of our better and more determined players, namely Ramires, and I can't see what the point of this following line is:

IF CFC IS EVER TO GET BACK TO IT'S GLORY DAYS THEN STURRIDGE AND RAMIRES SHOULD BE THE WORST PLAYERS IN OUR STARTING ELEVEN NOT THE BEST AND JUAN MATA SHOULDN'T BE THE STAR OF THE TEAM.

Even if you consider the context, it's a pretty unnecessary and ridiculous thing to say. In bold, too.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Theres not a lot thats changed in terms of its the same old nailed on chances that go begging. A common complaint of Chelsea FC.

One thing that is apparent and has been getting steadily worse post Mourinho, is the lack of closing opposition players down and pressing -giving them an inordinate amount of room. Seriously, its costly..

[BLionheart 516]

Name 10. Messi and Ronaldo are excluded.

Hazard - Neymar - Gotze - Silva - Aguero - Sanchez - Ibrahimovic - Messi - Ronaldo - Rooney - Cavani - Di Maria - Bale - Gomez - Hulk

But gotta love the Messi and Ronaldo excluded bit , now it's time for you to argue that you would rather have Mata than any of those players .

[BLionheart 516]

Well put. He's been constantly and unnecessarily bashing some of our better and more determined players, namely Ramires, and I can't see what the point of this following line is:

Even if you consider the context, it's a pretty unnecessary and ridiculous thing to say. In bold, too.

The fans keep praising Ramires and Sturridge waiting for them make the spine of the team while they shouldn't be there !! we need a better spine and i am hoping that AVB won't let Ramires and Sturridge be the main men in our starting 11 , i am not saying they are not good enough to be here but they should be rotated or in the starting 11 but not as the stars of chelsea FC.

Unnecessary !! That is the whole point of the thread !!! ohh i am sorry that's bold , is it hurting your eyes ?!

[Tomo 21,751]

Id rather have Mata than Bale or Ibrahimovic, those 2 are so over-rated its untrue.

Mata is having a better first season than Silva, whats to say he can't progress into a world class player in the next 2 years,

But then having said that i'd rather we entered next season like 04/05 with a bunch of borderline world class players that will grow.

[eldo 868]

Hazard - Neymar - Gotze - Silva - Aguero - Sanchez - Ibrahimovic - Messi - Ronaldo - Rooney - Cavani - Di Maria - Bale - Gomez - Hulk

But gotta love the Messi and Ronaldo excluded bit , now it's time for you to argue that you would rather have Mata than any of those players .

Hahah you can't be serious. Gomez, Cavani, Ibra are strikers and also some of other players are also strikers.

[manco 38]

You said it all mate

[Naked Mole Rat 437]

The fans keep praising Ramires and Sturridge waiting for them make the spine of the team while they shouldn't be there !! we need a better spine and i am hoping that AVB won't let Ramires and Sturridge be the main men in our starting 11 , i am not saying they are not good enough to be here but they should be rotated or in the starting 11 but not as the stars of chelsea FC.

Unnecessary !! That is the whole point of the thread !!! ohh i am sorry that's bold , is it hurting your eyes ?!

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Nobody in their right mind will say we have a great squad, but you make no effort whatsoever to give players credit they deserve. Maybe some of us do tend to overrate some of our players, but that doesn't give you a right to be hypercritical of them.

And with all due respect, fuck off with your sarcasm.

[Fernando 6,585]

There was a general consensus on this forum at the start of this season that it was one of transition, and a CL place was the best hoped for, to allow AVB to settle in. Just sayin'

I agree, but can you explain to me one thing?

I just finish watching the Madrid vs A. Bilbao game, and can you explain to me how in the world is Bielsa team playing better then AVB team, when they both been in charge of their respective team the same time frame?

Last game Chelsea was dog shit. It was so horrible to watch that I was falling asleep!

We have actually regress back in term of playing with AVB.

I support AVB, but he has to get his act together!

[Tomo 21,751]

I agree, but can you explain to me one thing?

I just finish watching the Madrid vs A. Bilbao game, and can you explain to me how in the world is Bielsa team playing better then AVB team, when they both been in charge of their respective team the same time frame?

Last game Chelsea was dog shit. It was so horrible to watch that I was falling asleep!

We have actually regress back in term of playing with AVB.

I support AVB, but he has to get his act together!

I dont think we are as bad as last season, not even close.

The only problem right now is our players are in 3 brackets. There's Luiz, Ramires and co who are hungry and have eveerything to prove while we have the been there done it's in Drogba, Lampard, Malouda, Cole who don't have the same type of hunger anymore and then we have Ivanovic, Terry,Torres and co who are somewhere inbetween.

We need to make a similar statement like we did in 2004, when despite great service to our club we let the likes of Desailly and Hasselbaink leave we have to take a similar stance this summer IMO and let all the players older than Terry leave for the good of the future success here. It wont be easy saying goodbye to Lampard and Drogba but i think the time is right they are no longer going to win us games double handed are command about 300k a week between them in wages that could go to hungry players ready to take us to the next level.

I know Lamps and Didier are rightfull club legend's but all succesful clubs make these kind of decision's, Real Madrid did it with Raul and Guti, United with Keane and Beckham, Barca with Deco and Ronaldinho.

Basically this summer transfer activity and what AVB decides to do is going to shape us for years to come, tough decision's will be made regarding departures and from a sentimental point of view sad one's but players don't go on forever, the club does and we have to let the players older than Terry leave for the good of the future of this club.

[Fernando 6,585]

I dont think we are as bad as last season, not even close.

The only problem right now is our players are in 3 brackets. There's Luiz, Ramires and co who are hungry and have eveerything to prove while we have the been there done it's in Drogba, Lampard, Malouda, Cole who don't have the same type of hunger anymore and then we have Ivanovic, Terry,Torres and co who are somewhere inbetween.

We need to make a similar statement like we did in 2004, when despite great service to our club we let the likes of Desailly and Hasselbaink leave we have to take a similar stance this summer IMO and let all the players older than Terry leave for the good of the future success here. It wont be easy saying goodbye to Lampard and Drogba but i think the time is right they are no longer going to win us games double handed are command about 300k a week between them in wages that could go to hungry players ready to take us to the next level.

I know Lamps and Didier are rightfull club legend's but all succesful clubs make these kind of decision's, Real Madrid did it with Raul and Guti, United with Keane and Beckham, Barca with Deco and Ronaldinho.

Basically this summer transfer activity and what AVB decides to do is going to shape us for years to come, tough decision's will be made regarding departures and from a sentimental point of view sad one's but players don't go on forever, the club does and we have to let the players older than Terry leave for the good of the future of this club.

Yeah but I find it frustating that smaller team play such great football, while our team with so much money, so much money we pay these players can't even play as good.

I hope AVB turns the team next season. Cause if come his third season, and we are still playing some slow dull football then we ain't never going to improve!