Phil Driver 503 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Son if I were you I would go and practise what you preach,you seem to be an expert on sucking and not football . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 We played what was essentially a three man midfield against West Ham and had great success, so why would you change that for Basel?The problem then arises that we only have three men who play in that midfield role available. Essien wasn't registered and Van Ginkel is out injured so who exactly was available?All three midfielders were awful last night, and they can't all be dropped for Southampton. I'm sure some will now say Lampard has been awful all season (as they had been doing incorrectly before the West Ham game) but there's an extended rest between now and the Southampton game and I'd back a few of those players to get back to the level they were at on Saturday.will you please stop posting these sensible logical posts ,,they are out of place here,,,,the words idiot ,,moron and shite must appear at least once to support your view BlueLion. and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Easy to criticize Jose in hindsight, but the truth is, very few criticized him for starting Frank before the game after the performance against West ham. Jose had every right to stick to what worked in the weekend. Hopefully, in the future, Jose will learn from this game and take into consideration that Frank can't play box-to-box for 180 minutes in three days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 its deluded pple like u who suck mourinho's dick, in what century has lampard played well this season have you been watching football from mars, oh please give me a break he only played well becoz it was west ham and they were piss poor and played without a strikerEase up turbo, no need for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Frank had his glory game on Saturday. I was very happy for him. He can not or should not be playing after 3 days rest only.Jose must see it. The sooner, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I can just see Pochettino praying incessantly for Mourinho to keep him in the team. I wouldn't blame him. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 to blame either Lampard or Jose for that debacle last night is merely searching for a scapegoat. A good team can win carrying two or three players having poorgames ... Last night it was difficult to see more than 3 having good games .. IT was a terrible performance but to blame it all or even mostly on Lampardis quite frankly one eyed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendo 1,088 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I' not saying Lampard is'nt good enough to start for us but we should look to play him more like United plays Giggs, and come january we really need to get a quality CM if we are going to play 4-3-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Just dont play him against teams that press us. Especially southampton ZOS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I' not saying Lampard is'nt good enough to start for us but we should look to play him more like United plays Giggs, and come january we really need to get a quality CM if we are going to play 4-3-3.Asbolutely. That is how he should be being utilized, but unfortunately one of the club's failings this summer was to sign the experienced, established CM we all wanted; ie. Alonso or de Rossi. Yes, we signed MvG, but the issue was he was only going to play every now and again as a young man learning his trade. I know he is hardly a midfield saviour, but I do feel we should be playing Essien more to relieve the strain on Lamps. The less he plays, the fitter he'll be; and it is when he is performing his box-to-box role that he is at his best. We can't expect him to put in the lung-busting shifts he was able to do before his lengthy lay-off in 2010/11. He's an old man, in footballing terms, and we have to respect that. Sadly, we have to play him because the club made a bad call in leaving us with just five recognised CMs this season for three positions in a 4-3-3, or two positions in the 4-2-3-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Asbolutely. That is how he should be being utilized, but unfortunately one of the club's failings this summer was to sign the experienced, established CM we all wanted; ie. Alonso or de Rossi. Yes, we signed MvG, but the issue was he was only going to play every now and again as a young man learning his trade. I know he is hardly a midfield saviour, but I do feel we should be playing Essien more to relieve the strain on Lamps. The less he plays, the fitter he'll be; and it is when he is performing his box-to-box role that he is at his best. We can't expect him to put in the lung-busting shifts he was able to do before his lengthy lay-off in 2010/11. He's an old man, in footballing terms, and we have to respect that. Sadly, we have to play him because the club made a bad call in leaving us with just five recognised CMs this season for three positions in a 4-3-3, or two positions in the 4-2-3-1. It's not as rosy as you paint it to be.There were rumours all over the press in the summer Mourinho wanted Lampard as a lock, week in week out, first 11 player, we can now confirm that as true. That's why he pulled the plug on De Rossi's and our other senior targets for that position and ended up signing Van Ginkel so Lampard didn't feel threatened.It's coming back to haunt him now, and he's gonna pay with his own reputation and job if he doesn't snap out of his delusional reverie as soon as January.It's become unbearable seeing someone who has been appalling all season being deployed week after week whilst others who are far more deserving get ruthlessly overlooked. It's also telling Lampard's was all but signed for the MLS, which is his level now, and yet people keep pretending he's worthy of being in a elite, high level club. He's finished, more so than Giggs who was always fitter than most players, that's why he's still got a contract at 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 José rest Hazard but keeps playing Lampard game after game.I really dont understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 José rest Hazard but keeps playing Lampard game after game.I really dont understand that.Jose rested Hazard because Jose has other option in Hazard's position.Jose doesn't have other options for a three man midfield when he only has three midfielders available. Van Ginkel's injury is hitting us harder than anyone probably imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Jose rested Hazard because Jose has other option in Hazard's position.Jose doesn't have other options for a three man midfield when he only has three midfielders available. Van Ginkel's injury is hitting us harder than anyone probably imagined.give essien a run out. he coped very well vs arsenalor use kdb or oscar in lampard 4-3-3 rolebut of course we will see lampard dragging his heavy legs onto the pitch to get steamrolled by wanyama and sneiderlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Jose rested Hazard because Jose has other option in Hazard's position.Jose doesn't have other options for a three man midfield when he only has three midfielders available. Van Ginkel's injury is hitting us harder than anyone probably imagined.That's not true, Oscar could really do well there, even KdB is worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 give essien a run out. he coped very well vs arsenalor use kdb or oscar in lampard 4-3-3 rolebut of course we will see lampard dragging his heavy legs onto the pitch to get steamrolled by wanyama and sneiderlinThere are over four days between now and the Southampton game. I think that's enough time for him to recover and put in another performance like the one he did against West Ham.Look, if he puts in a good performance and we win people will be happy. And if he puts in a bad performance and we lose, well a lot of people will still be happy. That's not true, Oscar could really do well there, even KdB is worth a shot. Now we're getting into the realms of 'maybes'. Neither of those has played there for us so I don't know if they could do a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 This forum will go crazy if he starts against Southampton.Jose seriously needs to rest Lampard and Iva for the weekend game.They've played a lot and require at least one game on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Now we're getting into the realms of 'maybes'.Neither of those has played there for us so I don't know if they could do a job.Not for us I know but Oscar has shown what he is capable of and he has every bit of quality to play in that position. He was excellent to play deeper for Brazil if it counts for reference. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 There are over four days between now and the Southampton game. I think that's enough time for him to recover and put in another performance like the one he did against West Ham.Look, if he puts in a good performance and we win people will be happy. And if he puts in a bad performance and we lose, well a lot of people will still be happy. Now we're getting into the realms of 'maybes'. Neither of those has played there for us so I don't know if they could do a job.Southampton are much better than West Ham. They are very athletic and press incredibly hard. West Ham are one of the worst teams we will play all season, having that as a yardstick of Lampard's ability and importance to the team is misguided. We saw how he fared last night against an antletic and aggresive pressing team and I fear Lampard will really struggle again if he plays on Sunday. kellzfresh, robsblubot and ChelseasMessiah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Southampton are much better than West Ham. They are very athletic and press incredibly hard. West Ham are one of the worst teams we will play all season, having that as a yardstick of Lampard's ability and importance to the team is misguided. We saw how he fared last night against an antletic and aggresive pressing team and I fear Lampard will really struggle again if he plays on Sunday.Unfortunately there's not much we can do about it except look for him to have a good game. West Ham might be weak but he put in a very hard-working performance against West Ham and we applied enough pressure to disrupt whatever gameplan they had. We can't approach Southampton afraid of how they might force us to play, because we're a better team than them.It's not like the other options are markedly better either. Mikel had a shit game at the St. Marys last season, but he probably has to play as well and reach the levels he did against West Ham.Like always, it's easy to say why we shouldn't do something but harder to say what we should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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