🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[Laylabelle 9,535]

That's it. Bring someone new in..and in 2 seasons it will be back to square one no doubt. It's boring.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

17 hours ago, Jason said:

For the umpteenth time, it's all good saying we need to sign players this month but who is actually world class/quality out there that we can sign right now? Do share some names!

Im talking about overall not this window per say. We are being run to the ground with our policies, reqruitment and scouting. Miss out again on top4 and it will be felt big time.

[Tomo 21,751]

9 minutes ago, DDA said:

What really worries me is..

The pattern.

For the past 3 managers maybe even 4, we keep seeing the same shit.

Start off flying under the new managers regime... playing decent, decisive football only to drop off mid season or after 1 season and result back to playing like braindead imbiciles. 

It has to be the group of footballers. It just has to be. 

Is this the overall outcome of poor recruitment, poor squad management by the board and an overrated youth academy? 

Who knows... but we wre literally reliving groundhog day before our very eyes. 

I don't think there's any real pattern, the 'problem' is the fact we are just a very inconsistent team right now.

We will out football Ajax away, force a finished article Liverpool side to park the bus for a whole half while simultaneously losing to teams we should be burying, it's the way it is at this point.

Hopefully some good signings added to the young players being a year ahead in development will see these inconsistency issues erode bit by bit but at this point we just got to ride with the punches.

[Special Juan 28,141]

We need signings and quickly, and this isn't a reaction from yesterday it's the truth.

 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

4 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

We need signings and quickly, and this isn't a reaction from yesterday it's the truth.

 

We need that spark. And if we dont January come summer we need to or get left behind

[Atomiswave 6,117]

WHat I wanna know is what the fuck do we do in practice? THe same issues still there. What Progress have we seen since the start? We do not run in any Space at all, this is not fast direct footy FL promised us, we dont do 1-2, we dont do triangles etc. The whole structor of our play looks shot, the positioning all over the place, cant defend set-pieces. And he needs to show more passion and be more vocal on the pitch, yesterday FL looked like he waiting on a buss.

[DDA 9,941]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

I don't think there's any real pattern, the 'problem' is the fact we are just a very inconsistent team right now.

Just now? Or was it the same under Mourinho in his second spell once they had enough of him?? Conte in his second season? And under Sarri after the first half of his season? 

The players start off running around the pitch like superstars. Moving into the space.. interchanging and playing cute passes like they should be. Then all of a sudden .... we see what we are doing now. Statues and idiotic decision making. 

How can you explain this?

[Tomo 21,751]

8 minutes ago, DDA said:

Just now? Or was it the same under Mourinho in his second spell once they had enough of him?? Conte in his second season? And under Sarri after the first half of his season? 

The players start off running around the pitch like superstars. Moving into the space.. interchanging and playing cute passes like they should be. Then all of a sudden .... we see what we are doing now. Statues and idiotic decision making. 

How can you explain this?

Jose's win the 2015 title at all costs goal exhausted the players mentally, Conte acted like a cunt and made the working environment toxic. Completely worlds apart from what is happening now, we're trying to build something long lasting and sustainable, that isn't going to happen overnight especially if we want to build it significantly through our academy side.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

It's the decision-making in the third that is costing us. 

Tammy, Mount, and CHO you can forgive because of their inexperience. Willian was never known of having end product. (The rumor Lampard wants to extend his contract should hopefully just be that. A rumor) 

So is it really that surprising were that inconsistent? 

[NikkiCFC 8,325]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The rumor Lampard wants to extend his contract should hopefully just be that. A rumor) 

You can't call it a rumor when he said it at press conference. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

15 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

It's the decision-making in the third that is costing us. 

Tammy, Mount, and CHO you can forgive because of their inexperience. Willian was never known of having end product. (The rumor Lampard wants to extend his contract should hopefully just be that. A rumor) 

So is it really that surprising were that inconsistent? 

But aim for the goal at least. Its these chances that go over the bar that are so frustrating 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

8 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

But aim for the goal at least. Its these chances that go over the bar that are so frustrating 

Young, inexperienced players along with Willian. Mr. No end product. 

Again, what are you expecting? 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

14 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Young, inexperienced players along with Willian. Mr. No end product. 

Again, what are you expecting? 

Maybe be all that but it's not like theyve never played a game before. Know it's hard but 19 shots and a loss is annoying.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Just now, Laylabelle said:

Maybe be all that but it's not like theyve never played a game before. Know it's hard but 19 shots and a loss is annoying.

Hence why Lampard wasn't to improve the attack. Adding Werner and Sancho to the side changes things completely. 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Roy Keane football's biggest misanthrope this is a man when he was Sunderland manager held a barbeque and didn't talk to any of his players or wives ! has clashed with professional scouser Jamie Carragher. Now normally I would take no notice of the whiney twat but I actually think he's got a point.

OGS has been getting a lot of stick from the media yet as Keane pointed out Lampard is getting none quite the opposite in fact. Of course Lamps did walk into a job where he knew our best player had gone and the transfer ban was imposed but he took the job so he was well aware of he task he faced. Halfway through the season and even though we're fourth lets be honest it's down to everyone else being woeful. Eight defeats when you look at them it's extremely worrying 4-0 against Man United (don't mention how unlucky we were please it's still a bad defeat) Liverpool and City  then when you look at defeats to West Ham, Southampton, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Everton five mid table-lower placed teams that's piss poor no denying it.

A lot of my mates are confident we'll beat Arsenal comfortably tomorrow I'm not so sure if the likes of Bournemouth and Southampton and fucking West Ham can beat us at the Bridge then Arsenal are more than capable of doing it.

[Special Juan 28,141]

OGS has had transfer windows to put things right and mold his team, Frank hasn't.

I'm critical of Frank in certain things he does, like constantly play players under-performing like Mount to name one. If the board want FL to remain then they must simply back him and the targets he wants. No cut corners, no shit middle of the road signings for the sake of it and if we make top 4 to spend and spend big, we will not bridge the gap to City and Liverpool if we do not spend big and it has to be spending massive amounts. If we don't this continual fight for top 4 will keep happening and the roller coaster of results will continue.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

4 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

we will not bridge the gap to City and Liverpool if we do not spend big and it has to be spending massive amounts.

Those days of the blank chequebook are over it's all down to spending whatever money is available wisely. Liverpool and City won't be caught for the next 5-10 years they are going to dominate English football it's a massive catch up process for everyone else. Just take the weekend results we lose, Leicester lose, Arsenal draw, Spurs draw and Liverpool piss all over United there's no one within a mile of the top two and I can't see that changing.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

58 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Those days of the blank chequebook are over it's all down to spending whatever money is available wisely. Liverpool and City won't be caught for the next 5-10 years they are going to dominate English football it's a massive catch up process for everyone else. Just take the weekend results we lose, Leicester lose, Arsenal draw, Spurs draw and Liverpool piss all over United there's no one within a mile of the top two and I can't see that changing.

All it takes is ambition and know how and we there within 2 seasons, continue the way we have been for the last 3-5 years and as you said it will be a constant battle.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Those days of the blank chequebook are over it's all down to spending whatever money is available wisely. Liverpool and City won't be caught for the next 5-10 years they are going to dominate English football it's a massive catch up process for everyone else. Just take the weekend results we lose, Leicester lose, Arsenal draw, Spurs draw and Liverpool piss all over United there's no one within a mile of the top two and I can't see that changing.

Doesn't take as much as you think. Two years ago no one was given a prayer of catching City and it happened. Furthermore Liverpool's core squad are in their late 20s, unless they manage to find replacements of quality and chemistry they will have a transition period within 3/4 years (that's why I was surprised Klopp extended).

The academy players are our golden ticket back to the top, it's allowed us to fill holes and focus on more specific players in the market.

[Vesper 30,195]

1 hour ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Those days of the blank chequebook are over it's all down to spending whatever money is available wisely. Liverpool and City won't be caught for the next 5-10 years they are going to dominate English football it's a massive catch up process for everyone else. Just take the weekend results we lose, Leicester lose, Arsenal draw, Spurs draw and Liverpool piss all over United there's no one within a mile of the top two and I can't see that changing.

I agree with most all, but I do not think it will take 10 years.

Fast forward to 2025-26 season (so 5 years and a few months from now)

the following are all too old or almost there at that point to be top class players at the level they are now

 

Shitty

Laporte 31 (turns 32 right at the very end)

Stones 31 (turns 32 right at the very end)

Mendy 31 (turns 32 in the summer after)

Walker 35 (turns 36 right at the very end)

João Cancelo 31 (turns 32 right at the very end)

Fernandinho 40 (turns 41 right at the end)

Ilkay Gündogan 35 in October 2025

Kevin De Bruyne 34 (35 in the summer after)

Raheem Sterling 31 in Dec 2025

Bernardo Silva  31 (32 the summer after)

Riyad Mahrez  35 in February 2026

Sergio Agüero  37 (38 beginning of June 2026)

 

 

Victimpool

Virgil van Dijk 34 (35 in summer 2026)   
Joel Matip    34 (35 in summer 2026)
Dejan Lovren    36 (37 in summer 2026)   
Andrew Robertson   31 (32 in March 2026)  
Nathaniel Clyne    34 (35 mid season)    
Fabinho    31 (32 in October 2025)   
Georginio Wijnaldum    34 (35 in November 2025)   
Naby Keïta    30 (31 in January 2026)   
Jordan Henderson    35 (36 right after the season ends)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain   32 (33 the summer of 2026)
James Milner    39 (40 in mid season)    
Adam Lallana   37 (38 in May 2026)    
Sadio Mané    33 (34 in April 2026)
Takumi Minamino    30 (31 in mid season)   
Mohamed Salah    33 (34 in June right after the season ends)
Xherdan Shaqiri    34 in October 2025
Roberto Firmino    34 in October 2025    
Divock Origi   30 (31 in April 2026)

 

that is basically 80+% of the core of both teams that needs to be replaced or is almost at the point of being too old to be top class

some (9, 10 is you count Firmino as an SS) of those players are now the best or top 2 or 3 (or at least top 5-6) in the world too

Laporte 

Kevin De Bruyne 

Raheem Sterling 

Bernardo Silva  

Virgil van Dijk 
Andrew Robertson    
Fabinho   
Sadio Mané     
Mohamed Salah

 

at transfer rate prices between now and summer 2025, those 30 players listed will cost around 1.8 to 2 billion quid (or more) to replace to that level (or both teams will have to get incredible lucky and buy many lesser cost players who turn world class, which is deffo possible but not guaranteed at all)