🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

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[NikkiCFC 8,324]

7 hours ago, Mana said:

 I want to hear "talks with xxx player" or something. If the talks fail because the other club don't want to sell, fair enough. At least I applaud CFC for at least trying.

To be fair we tried. Werner, Dembele, Sancho, Alaba, Chilwell we tried for all of them and their clubs publicly said they won't leave in January! If I'm Chelsea I would push for Cavani and Isco/James on loan short term or something. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

22 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

To be fair we tried. Werner, Dembele, Sancho, Alaba, Chilwell we tried for all of them and their clubs publicly said they won't leave in January! If I'm Chelsea I would push for Cavani and Isco/James on loan short term or something. 

Tried? Being linked with players and making moves is 2 different stories. We havent made a move for anyone but Dembele in all realism. Nobody would expect Alaba to leave Bayern for Chelsea, not even Chelsea realisitically I would imagine. Werner has already been reported that he will leave in the summer of 2020 or 2021 for seasons now in the German media and as of now it looks more realistic than January. Chillwell would never leave Leicester in January in this season where they are 2nd and I doubt the club would be so stupid to think so either. Sancho is again, been told he is allowed to leave in the summer so I doubt we tried this window. Dembele is the only one we definitely tried this window and even then couldnt pull off a deal. 

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

17 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tried? Being linked with players and making moves is 2 different stories. We havent made a move for anyone but Dembele in all realism. Nobody would expect Alaba to leave Bayern for Chelsea, not even Chelsea realisitically I would imagine. Werner has already been reported that he will leave in the summer of 2020 or 2021 for seasons now in the German media and as of now it looks more realistic than January. Chillwell would never leave Leicester in January in this season where they are 2nd and I doubt the club would be so stupid to think so either. Sancho is again, been told he is allowed to leave in the summer so I doubt we tried this window. Dembele is the only one we definitely tried this window and even then couldnt pull off a deal. 

Even if we didn't make a move for some of them it's because we know they are not available now but all mentioned will be in the summer. So no one can blame the club for waiting a couple of more months for top targets instead of going for someone else. But I did propose what we should do. 

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

 

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Azpi at LB is a problem but not the only problem. There's also Willian, who's supposed to be the attacking player, in front of him who practically does nothing offensively. If he's contributing offensively consistently, then the issue can be ignored for the time being (like Azpi-Hazard previously) but since it isn't, our left side is non-existent offensively. 

Also, people need to make up their mind over Emerson/Alonso/Azpi at LB (not necessarily pointing the finger at you). If Emerson/Alonso plays and drops a clanger, people want them out. If Azpi plays there and doesn't do anything offensively, people also want him out. The LB is definitely an area we need to strengthen but right now, we have to make do with what we have. 

[Vesper 30,185]

14 minutes ago, Jason said:

Azpi at LB is a problem but not the only problem. There's also Willian, who's supposed to be the attacking player, in front of him who practically does nothing offensively. If he's contributing offensively consistently, then the issue can be ignored for the time being (like Azpi-Hazard previously) but since it isn't, our left side is non-existent offensively. 

Also, people need to make up their mind over Emerson/Alonso/Azpi at LB (not necessarily pointing the finger at you). If Emerson/Alonso plays and drops a clanger, people want them out. If Azpi plays there and doesn't do anything offensively, people also want him out. The LB is definitely an area we need to strengthen but right now, we have to make do with what we have. 

My LB stance is crystal clear based of a myriad number of posts (RB stance too TBH, but that is becoming pointless as Azpi is rapidly ageing and we are not going to get fuckall for him soon)

But each window they all go down in value (our ones to sell, ie all but Reece) and each window we fail to do fuckall. I assume January 2020 now will be no different. I think it is madness, when we have buyers for both Emerson and Alonso NOW and we also have the chance to grab 2 really decent LB's (two of which can be done simply via hitting a 32m and then a 51m RC clause, although as you know, I want Gosens (Emerson is a PERFECT swap option for Atalanta with Gosens, as they are almost exact same age and Emerson is Italian citizen, thus counts as HG and speaks Italian) and ONE of Grimaldo or Telles, not both Grimaldo and Telles)

Instead I fear we will drop (and maybe even fail trying to buy, leaving us truly high n' dry yet again) £80m on Chilwell in the summer, and then still fail to sell one of our two dregs, making the net transfer fee spend 60m or so MORE than just bringing in Gosens and Telles and 40m or so more than bring in Grimaldo and Gosens now, 

PLUS if we do that we still have a dregs at backup option (if we keep Alonso, he will soon be basically vastly even further reduced in resale value as well as he hits 30yo next season) and we are literally dice rolling an insane amount of money on Chilwell, who has often looked so so poor the last month or two. IF he doesn't recover his form and we still drop crazy quid on him, we are utterly losing the plot to a club-busting (in both FFP money and performance on the field areas) degree (one of but many crazy bad deals doing that potentially or one already done.)

[Vesper 30,185]

GOODBYE HALCYON DAYS

https://chelseafancast.com/2020/01/goodbye-halcyon-days/

Another weekend, another defeat. This one seeming to carry more gravitas than the others. It’s mid-January, there appears to be no signings in the near future and we’ve all said goodbye to those halcyon days of asking for the transfer ban to be extended. Our eighth defeat after just 23 Premier League games. The same number of defeats suffered by Maurizio Sarri in the whole of last season, and we’ve still got 15 games to go.

We could quite easily be looking at 15 defeats, which would be worse than the 2015/2016 season where we finished 10th. The good news on that though, is that we’ve already matched the number of wins (12).

I hate to say it, but if our manager wasn’t our greatest ever player, and just another coach from Europe, I’d be calling for them to be sacked.

But, our manager is Frank Lampard and our squad is considerably worse off than last season, thanks largely to the departure of Eden Hazard, which thanks to a transfer ban Chelsea haven’t been able to replace. And even if they could, how do you replaced the 3rd best player in world football? Much like last season our position in the table is inflated thanks to the form of our rivals. Spurs, Arsenal and Manchester United are currently as useful as a pair of see through Speedo’s at the local swimming baths.

But, that could change. Any one of those three could potential make a couple of signings that could change the complex of their season. Arsenal need a defender, Spurs need a striker and United, well they need a new manager, but they’ve got previous of paying over the odds to bring in players.

And then there’s us. Having spent a lot of time and a lot of money fighting UEFA over our transfer ban, we seem content enough to wait until the summer to bring in some preferred targets. Which in some ways is a positive sign that the club have learned some lessons of the past and repeats of signings with Danny Drinkwater will be avoided in the future. However, there’s no point focusing on the light at the end of the tunnel when the ground is giving way beneath your feet.

In a piece on the Athletic, by Fancast regular Liam Twomey, the financial implications of Chelsea’s failure to maintain Champions League football were laid bare.

We simply cannot afford to miss out on a top four spot this year, which is a real possibility.

 

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[Special Juan 28,141]

This Azpi at LB has to fucking stop and quickly and this where Frank needs to be criticised. Time after time he selects him in this position and it simply does not work.

The club should addressed this position ages ago, and we are still worrying about it. I'm sick and tired of wasteful transfer windows.

[Vesper 30,185]

General questions

IF we lose all of the following 10 games

do you support Lampard being sacked?

do you think he will be sacked if we do lose all 10?

if not

how many of the ten would he have to lose to get sacked and have you support this?

again, this also assumes we win every other game not listed

it could be even worse

I am NOT predicting we lose all of these btw

simply asking where the breaking point would be

we also could win some of these are still drop other games against shit teams (like we have been doing)

[Antonio8 736]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

General questions

IF we lose all of the following 10 games

do you support Lampard being sacked?

do you think he will be sacked if we do lose all 10?

if not

how many of the ten would he have to lose to get sacked and have you support this?

again, this also assumes we win every other game not listed

it could be even worse

I am NOT predicting we lose all of these btw

simply asking where the breaking point would be

we also could win some of these are still drop other games against shit teams (like we have been doing)

it depends from the final results imho. if he is able to reach the 4th placement in EPL, the minimal goal of the season would be reached and he would deserve a summer market session to improve the squad according to his idea of football. 

at the moment I think he is beyond initial expectations, with the improvement of many youths and good results too. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

I didnt expect to be anywhere near 4th start of the season and had no real expectations. To be honest did many? I predicted maybe 7th/6th place. We've been lucky other teams are also a bit crap but Man U have stepped up lately.

Inexperienced manager and a mish mash of players. What is worrying is the way we keep losing in the same way! Dont expect to get much from those games.

It's hard to predict what the board will do..one sense theyve been ruthless before but look what it has cost them in the past. Sacking Conte has cost what 85,000 and whatever else before that. 

 

 

[Tomo 21,751]

15 hours ago, Mana said:

We have Arsenal, Leicester, United AND Spuds all next. I can see L’s on our faces in 2/4 games while the rest are draws.

Oh and after them - Bournemouth away! We know what happened last time!

Nah, I’m done. If we don’t get anybody this window - our season is over.

I swear we could face Bakayoko by himself and you'd find a way to make us underdogs.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

It all depends on the manner of the defeats (if they happen). If we're beaten comprehensively in some of these matches then I think Lampard will be under real pressure especially if we don't buy anyone. We as fans have to take Lampard at face value forget his status at the club he has to be judged on the teams performances and they have been in large pretty woeful. 

They are a horrendous set of fixtures coming up and I'm pretty sure most of us are concerned. Eight defeats in the league and still in fourth sums up how overrated the premier league is the lack of quality apart from the mickey mousers and City is startling. Those defeats against the lower clubs are going to kick us in the bollocks because we can't rely on other teams performing as badly as us with the set of fixtures we have coming up.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Long as we dont lose any by a stupid scoreline..know we lost 4-0 to Man U early on but we also lost 3-1 to Everton later on which is not much better.

Still think it may not been the wisest decision to hire Lampard so early on but time will tell..if given more time. 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

General questions

IF we lose all of the following 10 games

do you support Lampard being sacked?

do you think he will be sacked if we do lose all 10?

if not

how many of the ten would he have to lose to get sacked and have you support this?

again, this also assumes we win every other game not listed

it could be even worse

I am NOT predicting we lose all of these btw

simply asking where the breaking point would be

we also could win some of these are still drop other games against shit teams (like we have been doing)

I don't think there's very much chance of losing all ten.

[Vesper 30,185]

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I don't think there's very much chance of losing all ten.

I said that as well

but how many of the ten (and there may be other losses from non listed games)

especially the 8 EPL games listed

would it take to get Lamps sacked?

Is he untouchable no matter what?

I am not advocating a sacking at all, just curious to see what others think the limit is

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Depends..I know it's worked before but we cant keep sacking managers and paying out year after year. Its costly.

This is why think theres more patience that and the circumstances around his hiring. Depends what the objective was beginning of season. Top 4 seems unlikely at the start.

Hard to say what the limit is as its expected really. He took over a okay squad..lost a spark which we havent replaced and at the minute we're a okay team doing annoying things.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I said that as well

but how many of the ten (and there may be other losses from non listed games)

especially the 8 EPL games listed

would it take to get Lamps sacked?

Is he untouchable no matter what?

I am not advocating a sacking at all, just curious to see what others think the limit is

For me the minimum requirement was challenge for top four while showing some encouragement that the projected end product is something worth sticking by, so far it's so far so good on both counts.

Although he needs to stop playing Kante week in week out, unfortunately I think Rudi is untouchable aswell.

[DDA 9,941]

What really worries me is..

The pattern.

For the past 3 managers maybe even 4, we keep seeing the same shit.

Start off flying under the new managers regime... playing decent, decisive football only to drop off mid season or after 1 season and result back to playing like braindead imbiciles. 

It has to be the group of footballers. It just has to be. 

Is this the overall outcome of poor recruitment, poor squad management by the board and an overrated youth academy? 

Who knows... but we wre literally reliving groundhog day before our very eyes.