🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

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On 07/12/2019 at 6:43 PM, Mana said:

When I’m seeing Ole beating City at Etihad...makes you wonder...

Why couldn’t we beat City? We have yet to beat a top 6 side this season.

United is a counter attack team.
And they are very good at it.
But a big team doesn't play like this or win championships like that.
They have stolen points from big clubs and lost a lot more against small teams because they don't know how to play anything else.

We have a more positive and risky idea to play.
We have a team in formation, taking the first steps, it does not reach maturity in 3 days.

But we have an idea for the future and for success.

Don't see things from such a short perspective.

[Fernando 6,585]

On 12/7/2019 at 3:36 PM, petre.ispirescu said:

I don't. 

If you ask me I think we must buy two towering centre backs before doing any sort of deal. 

I was watching some experts talk about rotation and they all said 'If you want to rest players you always rest the midfielders or the attackers, back line always stays put no matter what'. 

Look at Klopp's last matches, he's rested every single midfielder and attacker, but never his defenders. 

Frank must build a very solid defence and then we're good to go. If you ask me Reece James should be the only actual defender starting next season, too. The left back should be a Chilwell type of full back and the CB pairing should be an imposing and calm one, the type of Gimenez-Godin partnership. 

Zouma I think has reached his max level and he's not good enough, Christensen is too soft and surely this must be Azpilicueta's last season as a starter. The fact Lampard keeps chopping and changing at the back makes me think he does not trust them that much, hence must invest massively in that area. No reason to have ballers up front if defenders can't even do the basics. 

Manchester City interested in rivalling Chelsea to sign Bournemouth's Nathan Ake

Manchester City are interested in a January deal for Bournemouth's Nathan Ake - despite a contract clause seemingly putting Chelsea in pole position to bring him back to Stamford Bridge.

 

Seems like we are going to get Ake. 

Said it before, the "easy" buy for CB would be Ake. 

But I also would like someone else. Let's see what we do. 

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2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Manchester City interested in rivalling Chelsea to sign Bournemouth's Nathan Ake

Manchester City are interested in a January deal for Bournemouth's Nathan Ake - despite a contract clause seemingly putting Chelsea in pole position to bring him back to Stamford Bridge.

 

Seems like we are going to get Ake. 

Said it before, the "easy" buy for CB would be Ake. 

But I also would like someone else. Let's see what we do. 

here is your complete double CB AND CF answer (by summer for sure if not all in January, which maybe a bit tough, especially the WC CB part but also the CF part if we go for Werner over Håland)

 

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22 hours ago, Jason said:

Really? It's easy to get carried away by United's results against the big teams but let's not forget, United have struggled against the smaller teams this season. If you look at the goalscoring numbers of the players, they aren't much different from ours.

The one thing United are doing better than us is having a solid/defensive shape, which gives them a chance of getting results against the better teams. Only 4 teams have conceded less than them in the league and their expected xG against is one of the lowest, according to a stat I saw recently. 

Against defensive team I absolutely agree, they looked awful. They have no midfield and no fullback and no between the line player but against team that will give them space behind, they are better. Rashford and martial are absolute terror on counter attacking situation. I will take Rashord + Martial over Tammy + Puli right now against team with space behind. Against City, you can see how easy we can run at their backline, we are just not that clinical. That is normal though, young frontline. 

I also agree that defensively they are better than us. I watched 3/4 of their games early in the season. They looked very solid.

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4 hours ago, Mana said:

But losing at home to a crap West Ham and putting out wrong team selections is not seeing things from a short perspective.

Yes we are in 4th place and that’s a blessing, but that blessing can be easily get taken away if Lampard and the squad don’t put their act together.

We have dropped the most points out of everybody in the top 6 (+Leicester) in the last 4 games.

Before the beginning of the season everybody put us out of the big6. 

You are in the top 4, even having this negative sequence of results.

Once again, we have a young team and coach, everyone is learning and that includes making mistakes.
Patience is required.

The team is very tired too.
There are players who are accusing this fatigue in the last games.

So far I can only praise and be proud of Frankie and these young people!!!

The team needs our support.
At the end of the season a balance is made.
And if things are so bad, Frankie will have to leave.
But I hope and believe that I will feel so or more proud at the end of the season.

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

“It’s the hope that kills you”.

If Chelsea were 10th place right now, with no hope of getting the top 4 spot, I would have completely written this season off and not be this anxious and pissed off.

But because we have a good gap between us and the other chasers, it will me be embarrassing to let it slip from here.

Lampard has given us huge hope we will be playing CL next season. He has the January transfer window now to make some critical changes.

We once had a 10 point gap over everybody. We should be able to cross over the line. If we don’t (especially now we have January), questions definitely need to be answered.

I don’t want us o become another Ole and Ljungberg with the “give him time” BS. Only give him time, when it’s the players letting Lampard down time and time again while Lampard was flawless. And no, Lampard isn’t flawless at the moment.

The reason why give him time sounded ridiculous with Ole is he was showing no real signs and had United on their worst run for decades. His one off big game results are buying him time now but make no mistake without them he'd be gone and while James and Rashford's pace on the counter is perfect for big teams who open up, it's the opposite when they face teams who sit back and frustrate them.

With Lampard and the team so far there has been some genuine positive signs we're well coached and heading in the right direction. We don't out football Ajax in Amsterdam if we're poorly coached, we don't play like we did in the second half against Villa if we're poorly coached, we don't play like we did in the first 80 minutes against Watford if we're poorly coached (would have been about 0-5 or 0-6 if it wasn't for Foster), we don't completely wipe teams out to the point they may as well have removed Kepa's goal like we did against Palace, Brighton and Newcastle if we're poorly coached. The patterns and style we play with takes some serious quality coaching.

Unless we go on a relegation run and/or start playing stale rubbish unsustainable football over a long period Lampard will get time and rightly so.

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6 hours ago, Mana said:

But losing at home to a crap West Ham and putting out wrong team selections is not seeing things from a short perspective.

Yes we are in 4th place and that’s a blessing, but that blessing can be easily get taken away if Lampard and the squad don’t put their act together.

We have dropped the most points out of everybody in the top 6 (+Leicester) in the last 4 games.

The selections seem to have been forced on Lamps. He mentioned Tomori has been carrying a hip niggle for a while. Maybe that's why Zouma and AC got games? Emerson had a bad showing at City and Azpi started in his place. 

I think there has been good coaching to get us from Sarri's plodding football to the football we see now and the dip in recent results cannot understate that we have made very good progress under Lamps. He is certainly no Ole or Ljungberg and seems to have a clearer idea of how he wants his team to play. The goals we are conceding are completely avoidable and not pointing to a structural issue with the team.

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It should also be noted that whilst United look far more solid than us at present, they have had the luxury of spending the best part of £140m in the summer on 2 new defenders. 

[Tomo 21,751]

Games like tonight are why i think Lampard is going to be a top manager.

You don't create the amount of openings we did tonight if you're not very well coached. The only thing we've got a problem with systematically is set pieces, things like open play defending and decision making in the last movement will improve once we get better personel in.

[Strike 7,490]

13 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It should also be noted that whilst United look far more solid than us at present, they have had the luxury of spending the best part of £140m in the summer on 2 new defenders. 

Wan Bisakka is a good buy. A Right-back who lets very little past him and is technically good. I think he is the 3rd RB in the league after Trent and Ricardo Pereira who are both ridiculously good. But we do have James so not overly concerned with missing out on AWB.

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12 minutes ago, Strike said:

Wan Bisakka is a good buy. A Right-back who lets very little past him and is technically good. I think he is the 3rd RB in the league after Trent and Ricardo Pereira who are both ridiculously good. But we do have James so not overly concerned with missing out on AWB.

the EPL has 6 of the top 10 RB's in the world atm (soon 7 hopefully with Reece) but only 2 of the top 10 LB's (soon hopefully 3 IF we snag Telles in January)

and 2 of the top 3 fullback pairs in the world 

1 The Bindippers    Robertson/TAA  (best LB AND best RB in the world IMHO atm, on the same team, grrrrrrrrr)   (absolutely SHIT for depth though, truly fucked atm, no LB (34yo CMF Milner is their emergency backup, lololol)  and no RB backups at all IF Gomez is playing CB, as Clyne blew out his knee)

2 Bayern   Alaba/Kimmich (they have another top 3 in the world LB too in Lucas Hernandez, as well!  BUT, atm NONE of those 3 are even playing at fullback!!, lolol) Alphonso Davies looks to be a superb teen LB conversion as well (which would give those cunts THREE WC or potentially (in Davies) WC left backs!!!! PLUS they have a near WC RB in Benjamin Pavard as well, and he ALSO often doesnt play there a lot, lolol It is madness! On balance, Bayerns fullbacks BLOW even the dippers away, but that is to do with sheer numbers, in terms of tossing out only two, I would have to give the edge to the scousers, MAYBE. That said,I have never seen a team THAT deep with truly cracking players at fullback, they have FIVE, with 2 of them being top 3 LB's in the world, and then a top 2 in world RB (Kimmich), plus a top 10 RB (Pavard) plus Davies will be a top 5 LB in the world in 3 or so years at the rate he looks   I AM SOOOOOOOOOO JELLY  Bayern have other issues though, mostly managerial and huge injury problems atm and they REALLY need a DMF upgrade

3 Leicester Chilwell/Ricardo (almost worse depth than Victimpool, but at least they do have one of each, even if one is utter shit (Fuchs) and the other is a 21yo rookie (James Justin)

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9 minutes ago, Patrick Bamford said:

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[Tomo 21,751]

6 hours ago, Strike said:

Wan Bisakka is a good buy. A Right-back who lets very little past him and is technically good. I think he is the 3rd RB in the league after Trent and Ricardo Pereira who are both ridiculously good. But we do have James so not overly concerned with missing out on AWB.

Wan Bisakka was born in the wrong era.

As good as he is defensively he offers next to nothing going forward which will always hold him back from truly establishing himself.

[Superblue 6,372]

36 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Wan Bisakka was born in the wrong era.

As good as he is defensively he offers next to nothing going forward which will always hold him back from truly establishing himself.

But he does perfectly suit United at present.

[Antonio8 736]

Good job lamps 

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

38 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

Good job lamps 

Can't believe what I'm reading last couple of days. Some wants him out? He is overachieving in terms of results this season plus integration of young players... What more people want?? Just three points behind City and how much money they have spent? Not to mention Spurs, Arsenal and Utd... Some of the fans...

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18 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Can't believe what I'm reading last couple of days. Some wants him out? He is overachieving in terms of results this season plus integration of young players... What more people want?? Just three points behind City and how much money they have spent? Not to mention Spurs, Arsenal and Utd... Some of the fans...

This sounds a bit entitled, we are all fans and we have different opinions there is nothing wrong with that, just like last year some fans didnt like Sarri but some fans supported him. Frankly you are incorrect when it comes to spending Chelsea have spent the 3rd most money since 2015 on transfers. Just last night's starting 11, Kepa 72 million  Emerson 23mill, Zouma 12-18 million, Rudiger 34 million, Azpi 7 millon, Jorginho 56 million, Kovacic 50 million, Kante 32 Million, Pulisic 60 million, willian 32 million and Tammy 0. Michy a 32 million sub came on too. I dont understand this Man City spend massively over us, we spend but waste our money on the wrong players, we can only hope we spend wisely moving forward but the argument about money is definitely misplaced, Man City spend big but we are not far off. Dont forget we spend another 70 million on Morata, 42 million on Bakayoko. I am skeptical about Lampard for example but I agree he needs time to prove himself since he hasn't gotten a transfer window. 

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1 hour ago, Vybz Kartel said:

This sounds a bit entitled, we are all fans and we have different opinions there is nothing wrong with that, just like last year some fans didnt like Sarri but some fans supported him. Frankly you are incorrect when it comes to spending Chelsea have spent the 3rd most money since 2015 on transfers. Just last night's starting 11, Kepa 72 million  Emerson 23mill, Zouma 12-18 million, Rudiger 34 million, Azpi 7 millon, Jorginho 56 million, Kovacic 50 million, Kante 32 Million, Pulisic 60 million, willian 32 million and Tammy 0. Michy a 32 million sub came on too. I dont understand this Man City spend massively over us, we spend but waste our money on the wrong players, we can only hope we spend wisely moving forward but the argument about money is definitely misplaced, Man City spend big but we are not far off. Dont forget we spend another 70 million on Morata, 42 million on Bakayoko. I am skeptical about Lampard for example but I agree he needs time to prove himself since he hasn't gotten a transfer window. 

I think the only people coming off as entitled are the ones who are ridiculously wanting lamps out. Out for what? Reaching the knock out stage of CL? Changing the whole identity of the club and the way we play that "better" and experienced managers could not? Despite losing our best attacker permanently, not having our best CB till now and our best midfielder missing for large chunks of the season. And none of the injuries/transfers were his fault. So what do these "fans" want him out for? Just because he is inexperienced? Or that the young team was going through a hard spell that most knew would happen at some time. This "every opinion should be respected" is a piece of shit. The opinion should be respected if the opinion merits respect. Racists people also have an "opinion", does not mean it deserved to be heard. "Frankout" does not merit respect in any way. He has surpassed almost all of our expectations so far. People thought we would not make top 6, and here we are in 4th and just 3 points behind city. That too with a complete youth revolution. Not just 1/2 odd players, but mount, Tammy, tomori, Reece, CHO. All of them. 

Now coming to spend, the club buying bakayoko and drinkwater is hardly lamps' fault now. The point people are making is that, currently lamps is just working with what he has. And he has a lot of dross. Barkley, Alonso, giroud, Pedro, michy won't be here at the start of next season, I can say that with all confidence. The squad lacks depth in quality. And yet we are doing well. Also, we might "spend" a lot, but it's of no use when we sell those players a year or 2 down the line. Since 15/16, we have a net spend lesser than city, United, arsenal, wolves, everton, Leicester, whu, Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle and villa.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

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15 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

I think the only people coming off as entitled are the ones who are ridiculously wanting lamps out. Out for what? Reaching the knock out stage of CL? Changing the whole identity of the club and the way we play that "better" and experienced managers could not? Despite losing our best attacker permanently, not having our best CB till now and our best midfielder missing for large chunks of the season. And none of the injuries/transfers were his fault. So what do these "fans" want him out for? Just because he is inexperienced? Or that the young team was going through a hard spell that most knew would happen at some time. This "every opinion should be respected" is a piece of shit. The opinion should be respected if the opinion merits respect. Racists people also have an "opinion", does not mean it deserved to be heard. "Frankout" does not merit respect in any way. He has surpassed almost all of our expectations so far. People thought we would not make top 6, and here we are in 4th and just 3 points behind city. That too with a complete youth revolution. Not just 1/2 odd players, but mount, Tammy, tomori, Reece, CHO. All of them. 

Now coming to spend, the club buying bakayoko and drinkwater is hardly lamps' fault now. The point people are making is that, currently lamps is just working with what he has. And he has a lot of dross. Barkley, Alonso, giroud, Pedro, michy won't be here at the start of next season, I can say that with all confidence. The squad lacks depth in quality. And yet we are doing well. Also, we might "spend" a lot, but it's of no use when we sell those players a year or 2 down the line. Since 15/16, we have a net spend lesser than city, United, arsenal, wolves, everton, Leicester, whu, Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle and villa.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

Our starting 11 was worth more than 300 million last night thats more than our 3 group stage opponents starting 11s combined. Also are you comparing having a different opinion about Lampard to racism?? Clearly you have a low bar on racism then. So Sarri's critics last season were wrong for disagreeing. This is a discussion forum for Chelsea topics and we are allowed to have different opinions. Some people dont rate Willian and some people do, that doesnt mean we dont respect each other's opinion. Its entitlement thinking your opinion is only the only valid one.