Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[Puliiszola 519]

40 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

 

 

 There is a golden rule in football. When a player's legs go, make sure he is not on your books. We should really internalise this. Sell players exactly or shortly after the end of their prime.As you see your own players every day you know exactly when their powers start to wane. Outsiders who are not as ITK might still bid a ton of money for them.

As all of us I really like the guy but Kante has been knee-deep into decline for two years now. He already started showing signs of it in the last Conte season. Sarri ran him into the ground and aggravated his injury. He has not been the same since. In truth we look much more fluent without him, having only lost 2 games in his absence all season. And I dont think our midfield is majorly at fault for the goals we concede but rather defense and Kepa. When he plays we win balls back earlier but we can not really play out from the back. He also does not carry the ball out of defense with his trademark dribblings anymore. given his physical characteristics are so vital for his style of play, once his pace goes and it has been on its way out for two years now, he is not that useful anymore.

The only reason to keep Kante would be if we fail to get an adequate replacement and if no one makes a decent enough bid (80m+ pounds obviously)

I think we have sold well. Ramires, Matic, Mata come to mind. But have to disagree regarding Kante.

1. Conte's 2nd season, I think Kante was still world class. We sold matic, replaced him with Bakayoko and Drinkwater and whats worse was that cesc was supposed to fill that gap. It was a board disaster. Putting it on Kante is not fair imo.

2. Sarri - we changed from a 2 man mid to 3 man mid, with Kante probably playing the most further of the 3. An unheard of position for him and he still was great. There were so many of us who were happy with his "this side of the game developing".

3. This season has been an anomaly, injury-wise. Irrespective, he is still World class. Look at the city game. We had Barkley on the pitch and still snuffed out city. 

The fact that we still expect a 80+m pound bid is probably telling that he is actually worth it all. Also, really dont buy Kante disrupts our momentum. Its about balance and he brings far more balance as a DM to our squad (in terms of attack and defence). His overall play is still great. I mean fabinho is regarded as the world's best DM, i dont think there is a single trait (ball winning, positional awareness, passing range), in which Kante would be 2nd to him. We have simply not being using him in the role which suits him best.He just needs to be stopped running into the ground. Used intelligently.

Atm, we are anyways not going to be able to sell him. If RM did not go for Kai for the same amount, they wont be going for Kante. Also, like I said, selling is useful when you either have a viable option or an upgrade. At this moment, there is not anyone available who can be close to an upgrade and we definitely dont have someone in our squad as a replacement. So selling him would be a massive mistake. 

Give him another year, let gilmour get more experience, and the next window we can judge. I feel Kante is massively in FL's plans.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

 

 

 There is a golden rule in football. When a player's legs go, make sure he is not on your books. We should really internalise this. Sell players exactly or shortly after the end of their prime.As you see your own players every day you know exactly when their powers start to wane. Outsiders who are not as ITK might still bid a ton of money for them.

As all of us I really like the guy but Kante has been knee-deep into decline for two years now. He already started showing signs of it in the last Conte season. Sarri ran him into the ground and aggravated his injury. He has not been the same since. In truth we look much more fluent without him, having only lost 2 games in his absence all season. And I dont think our midfield is majorly at fault for the goals we concede but rather defense and Kepa. When he plays we win balls back earlier but we can not really play out from the back. He also does not carry the ball out of defense with his trademark dribblings anymore. given his physical characteristics are so vital for his style of play, once his pace goes and it has been on its way out for two years now, he is not that useful anymore.

The only reason to keep Kante would be if we fail to get an adequate replacement and if no one makes a decent enough bid (80m+ pounds obviously)

We might aswell sell Drogba after his ilness but we didnt and he went on couple great seasons. Bayern could sell Robben but they didnt and he was great for them. 

We sold Matic for example, but can you realy tell the difference if he stayed? We went on buying Bakayoko, then Jorginho and we still dont have a proper DM. Might as well kept Matic then instead of problems we have now selling Baka and Jorgi. 

The only time someone good should be sold is if they dont want to be here. Saying oh he will be shite next year, injuries, age etc might fire back. Take a look at Madrid and Makelele.

[Atomiswave 6,120]

I highly doubt Lamps will want Kante gone, I cant see it. On Thiago, why arent we after him, 30M is nothing for such a player and will do am awesome job. A winner and lots of experience and I for one hope he doesnt go to pool.

[Puliiszola 519]

9 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

I highly doubt Lamps will want Kante gone, I cant see it. On Thiago, why arent we after him, 30M is nothing for such a player and will do am awesome job. A winner and lots of experience and I for one hope he doesnt go to pool.

Exactly the type of signing which we should avoid. Mount, kai, rlc, kova. Ziyech plays there too. Stacked in CM/CAM department

[Atomiswave 6,120]

35 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Exactly the type of signing which we should avoid. Mount, kai, rlc, kova. Ziyech plays there too. Stacked in CM/CAM department

He would still improve our midfield for not much money, if Jorgo goes he would be a good signing. RLC is not up to speed yet either.

[Puliiszola 519]

4 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

He would still improve our midfield for not much money, if Jorgo goes he would be a good signing. RLC is not up to speed yet either.

True. But he won't be upto speed by sitting on the bench either. 

Obviously a signing like Thiago will improve any mid of any team (or atleast most), but only in short term. But will he be a game changer in making us contenders to actual winners in the next 2 seasons - I don't thonk so.

I feel the club is thinking long term. Most of the transfers and decisions are based on long term thinking and I feel that should continue. Thiago for all his abilities and class, won't help us that massively in becoming title winners, but he would be a signing that would literally spell out the end for RLc and maybe even mount, who both have very high ceilings compared to the players they are today 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Valencia and City are in advanced negotiations for Torres, the deal will be done for €25m + €10m in bonuses.

[Atomiswave 6,120]

2 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

True. But he won't be upto speed by sitting on the bench either. 

Obviously a signing like Thiago will improve any mid of any team (or atleast most), but only in short term. But will he be a game changer in making us contenders to actual winners in the next 2 seasons - I don't thonk so.

I feel the club is thinking long term. Most of the transfers and decisions are based on long term thinking and I feel that should continue. Thiago for all his abilities and class, won't help us that massively in becoming title winners, but he would be a signing that would literally spell out the end for RLc and maybe even mount, who both have very high ceilings compared to the players they are today 

Thiago is world class and a winner, we need more winners with experience in our team, there are no guarantees RLC will come good, injuries take their toll evenually. I think he will boost our chances cuz he instantly improves us and for the outlay its worth it...if injuries fuck us up again then its needed. If Kante and Jorgo stay put then yeah we wont go for him. I can see Pep going for him if their relationship is good.

[Puliiszola 519]

9 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Thiago is world class and a winner, we need more winners with experience in our team, there are no guarantees RLC will come good, injuries take their toll evenually. I think he will boost our chances cuz he instantly improves us and for the outlay its worth it...if injuries fuck us up again then its needed. If Kante and Jorgo stay put then yeah we wont go for him. I can see Pep going for him if their relationship is good.

Agree to disagree. 

I don't think he is worth the outlay. 30m for 3 years + 10m per year in wages. That would be 20m a year outlay + the stop of Mount and Rlc development. Also this 20m per year outlay can literally go on a quality CB/LB. Just cant seem to think this would be a good idea and happy that their are no rumors linking us to it

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

We might aswell sell Drogba after his ilness but we didnt and he went on couple great seasons. Bayern could sell Robben but they didnt and he was great for them. 

We sold Matic for example, but can you realy tell the difference if he stayed? We went on buying Bakayoko, then Jorginho and we still dont have a proper DM. Might as well kept Matic then instead of problems we have now selling Baka and Jorgi. 

The only time someone good should be sold is if they dont want to be here. Saying oh he will be shite next year, injuries, age etc might fire back. Take a look at Madrid and Makelele.

Different times, different players. Matic  did fuck all for Utd and was shit for the past 1.5 years before he left. Buying bakayojo and drinkie was obviously stupid af but the decision to sell matic was right. The Club can only be sustained with profitable player sales. We are not Madrid or Bayern who can simply tap up players on the cheap or get government funding

[Atomiswave 6,120]

7 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Agree to disagree. 

I don't think he is worth the outlay. 30m for 3 years + 10m per year in wages. That would be 20m a year outlay + the stop of Mount and Rlc development. Also this 20m per year outlay can literally go on a quality CB/LB. Just cant seem to think this would be a good idea and happy that their are no rumors linking us to it

I dont know about his wages but yeah sounds a bit high, he wont get that here. We will be playing lots of matches so more options are welcome. Cant see him taking Mounts place but LC I can see. I have a hard time seeing LC reaching his potential.

[Puliiszola 519]

7 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

I dont know about his wages but yeah sounds a bit high, he wont get that here. We will be playing lots of matches so more options are welcome. Cant see him taking Mounts place but LC I can see. I have a hard time seeing LC reaching his potential.

I actually quoted "lesser" than what he is rumored to be earning at Bayern (250kpw €). In that sense, I don't know, with the options we already have and what we have already paid for ziyech, kai for the same position, seems like an overkill imo.

As for RlC, pre-injury, he seemed to have broken through. That friendly really set him back a year. But those performances were not to be forgotten. I feel he can get back to it. Or atleast hope.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

21 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Different times, different players. Matic  did fuck all for Utd and was shit for the past 1.5 years before he left. Buying bakayojo and drinkie was obviously stupid af but the decision to sell matic was right. The Club can only be sustained with profitable player sales. We are not Madrid or Bayern who can simply tap up players on the cheap or get government funding

Point is we could just keep Matic. It would be the same despite people said it was smart move.

If we sell kante because its time to cash in or because he is old? What are we a bank or we want to win trophies? 

He is useful player, one of the best in the world. The club should invest the money better not sell Kante to cover up for the past fuckups.

[Fernando 6,743]

Ferran Torres to City for 20 million is a good deal.

[King Kante 1,643]

13 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Ferran Torres to City for 20 million is a good deal.

That is a crazy good deal. A lot of potential. 

[Atomiswave 6,120]

2 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

I actually quoted "lesser" than what he is rumored to be earning at Bayern (250kpw €). In that sense, I don't know, with the options we already have and what we have already paid for ziyech, kai for the same position, seems like an overkill imo.

As for RlC, pre-injury, he seemed to have broken through. That friendly really set him back a year. But those performances were not to be forgotten. I feel he can get back to it. Or atleast hope.

Yeah lets hope so mate

2 hours ago, Jason said:

 

More and more I can see why FL opted to not pursue him

[Tomo 21,754]

7 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

We might aswell sell Drogba after his ilness but we didnt and he went on couple great seasons. Bayern could sell Robben but they didnt and he was great for them. 

We sold Matic for example, but can you realy tell the difference if he stayed? We went on buying Bakayoko, then Jorginho and we still dont have a proper DM. Might as well kept Matic then instead of problems we have now selling Baka and Jorgi. 

The only time someone good should be sold is if they dont want to be here. Saying oh he will be shite next year, injuries, age etc might fire back. Take a look at Madrid and Makelele.

Actually I was an advocate of listening to offers for a lot of our players after the double season, they were getting on but the ending of the season hiked their values up and we could have basically rebuilt for the next generation with the money we got for some of them. Ofcourse given Munich happened I'm glad we didn't go down that route but you can't plan for an off chance of something like that happening.

Ash, Malouda, Anelka, Essien, Alex all never hit the same heights again post 2010, all could have commanded at that time around £100m between them that summer, that could have got us 3/4 excellent young players and speed up a rebuilding process that instead took years. Infact I'd argue we're still to this day playing catch up from letting the old guard stagnate with no contingency plan.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Actually I was an advocate of listening to offers for a lot of our players after the double season, they were getting on but the ending of the season hiked their values up and we could have basically rebuilt for the next generation with the money we got for some of them. Ofcourse given Munich happened I'm glad we didn't go down that route but you can't plan for an off chance of something like that happening.

Ash, Malouda, Anelka, Essien, Alex all never hit the same heights again post 2010, all could have commanded at that time around £100m between them that summer, that could have got us 3/4 excellent young players and speed up a rebuilding process that instead took years. Infact I'd argue we're still to this day playing catch up from letting the old guard stagnate with no contingency plan.

Mate we are in transition for the past 10 years. We could rebuild but this board was unfit to do that. Those 100m could do alot or we might buy lot of shite and never win CL. 

The nature of football is that you develop, reach peak and then those players get older, but they stay and because of that titles are hard to get (look at Barca). You dont win trophies and then go on to sell Pique, Iniesta, xyz to rebuild and win it all again. Its natural and great that key players often stay in the club. It sucks if all are the same age because they stagnate at same time (which in large part happend with our old guard) but if they hit peak at different time, you can comfortably slowly replace them when they retire or move on. But you dont just use them as objects and throw them out when they might start declining. 

Also Pool could easily replace Henderson, because he was nothing special, yet he has that spirit, leadership and loyalty which pushes team forward in hard moments. Pure quality is not everything in many cases.