Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[Special Juan 28,124]

We won't try and pull Dybala from Juventus until he is in another league pulling up trees. If we want players like Dybala we have to be prepared to pay massive amounts, and I don't think our board have it in them anymore to pay massive amounts for a player now. The mind set has to move away from penny pinching like last summer if we want these players. Turning heads with big cash, not just cash but without the CL is all the more difficult, we will need to offer big bucks for nigh on every top player we go for, that's if we go for them at all. 

 

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

6 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

My dream team for next season:

Goalkeepers: Courtois, Begovic

Defenders: Bonucci, Stones, Zouma, Terry -- Azpilicueta, Ake, Baba

Midfielders: Pjanic, Nainggolan, Kante, RLC, Baker

Attackers: Willian, Pedro, Traore, Costa, Hazard, Griezmann/Dybala

On loan: Christensen, Musonda, Solanke, Kenedy, Miazga.

Sell: Salah, Cuadrado, Oscar, Mikel, Matic, Cesc, Cahill, Ivanovic, Remy

Bold names I am not sure will be here next year as theyll be sold or loaned.  Cesc and Cuadrado along with Ivanovic definitely will. 100%

I can see perhaps Stones or Manolas for CB.   Nainggolan and Perisic or Pjanic in midfield.  And Cavani upfront or someone like Higuain.   That'll probably be our business done then incoming (apart from youngsters), depending who goes

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

25 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

We won't try and pull Dybala from Juventus until he is in another league pulling up trees. If we want players like Dybala we have to be prepared to pay massive amounts, and I don't think our board have it in them anymore to pay massive amounts for a player now. The mind set has to move away from penny pinching like last summer if we want these players. Turning heads with big cash, not just cash but without the CL is all the more difficult, we will need to offer big bucks for nigh on every top player we go for, that's if we go for them at all. 

 

I think this summer we will move away from penny pinching and selling to buy.  Conte has to be backed massively, and be allowed to bring in what he wants if the club have any plans to challenge next season

[BlueLyon 9,359]

What do you guys think of Rakitic?

IMO he is not having the best season with Barca and despite brilliant last one, he never realy suited them and replicated his sevilla form.

Im almost certain he will be available in summer and for relatively small amount if barca goes for another CM. 

Problem is he isnt fast or dynamic midfielder (and I dislike such players) but he could be perfect to set up counter attacks. He has that mentality of a winner and usualy performs well despite those physical flaws. He is still miles more useful in bigger games than Cesc. 

I usualy dont want any player from barca, except for those that dont suit them from the begining like Yaya, Alexis, Rakitic, Ibra etc...because they usualy play alot better in teams that play opposite stlye than barca. 

If there will be no better alternatives, I think Rakitic could be one to at least observe before sticking to Cesc for another season.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

3 hours ago, Special Juan said:

We won't try and pull Dybala from Juventus until he is in another league pulling up trees. If we want players like Dybala we have to be prepared to pay massive amounts, and I don't think our board have it in them anymore to pay massive amounts for a player now. The mind set has to move away from penny pinching like last summer if we want these players. Turning heads with big cash, not just cash but without the CL is all the more difficult, we will need to offer big bucks for nigh on every top player we go for, that's if we go for them at all. 

 

Considering our performance this season together with the massive amounts of money every PL team is getting, I'd say we are going to spend big this summer. Add that with the Yokohama deal and CFC definitely has the resources to pull off 2-4 major transfers this summer, especially if players like Oscar, Matic etc. are leaving.

We need 2 centrebacks and 2 midfielders, probably a goalscoring winger/striker so I believe we are going to witness the busiest summer transfer window in recent memory.

[Essien19 1,415]

Rakitic's not having his best season, but man, last season he was world class (imo).

He is always telling the media how much he adores Messi and loves to put in the hard work for them.

Barca ain't stupid, they know how much they need guys like him, especially when the squad is as thin as today.

I would love seeing Rakitic here, but it would require a massive amount of money and i can't see the board pulling it off.

We'll buy Nainggolan and 2-3 other guys for in today's game normal prices.

We ain't the top dog anymore.

Prem will be fun next season!

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[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, Essien19 said:

Rakitic's not having his best season, but man, last season he was world class (imo).

He is always telling the media how much he adores Messi and loves to put in the hard work for them.

Barca ain't stupid, they know how much they need guys like him, especially when the squad is as thin as today.

I would love seeing Rakitic here, but it would require a massive amount of money and i can't see the board pulling it off.

We'll buy Nainggolan and 2-3 other guys for in today's game normal prices.

We ain't the top dog anymore.

Prem will be fun next season!

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I actualy think they will go for someone like Pogba and sell Rakitic/Turan to finance the deal.

[Essien19 1,415]

I actualy think they will go for someone like Pogba and sell Rakitic/Turan to finance the deal.

Maybe they offload Turan, but in my view not Rakitic.

I hope we're not in for Turan, not worth the hustle, imo.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

27 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Maybe they offload Turan, but in my view not Rakitic.

I hope we're not in for Turan, not worth the hustle, imo.

I wouldnt rate Turan based on his barca days because he plays wrong position and not regulary, but yeah his age and possible lack of fitness, not to mention price; we shouldnt get near unless he would be ~15m. 

Biglia is also one of underrated CMs out there, but for 30 y.o. Lazio price of 30m is plain stupid.

[robsblubot 3,595]

On 4/21/2016 at 7:57 AM, Rmpr said:

Well, like I said before, I agree with your evaluations. I just dont think its nearly as easy to offloads those players as you think.

JT, Pato and Falcao are execptions as their contracts end. However, all other players are hard to get rid off. In order to sell players of the caliber of Oscar, Fabregas, Pedro and Cahill; we would need to find a club who can afford their wages and transfer fee and, at the same time, is atractive enough for them to accept the move. They all have families, etc. Its not simple!

Replacing players is complicated too. There are numerous expenses to count for: juridical, medical, traveling and housing for the first few months, agent fees, etc. Its easier to just stay with the current players imo. They already have their routine in place and so on. Not to count the fact those individuals are not too bad for bench options. I mean, which bench player in England is better than Cahill or Mikel? Apart from City, which bench midfielder is better than Oscar or Pedro? 

Also, Chelsea has a hard enough task by signing at least top 3-4 players. Imagine having to do that plus filling in bench options. It will only  unnecessary deviate the board from its true objective...

EDIT: In resume, what I am trying to say is that I believe CFC should try to first do the basic. Lets sign the key pieces we need and then use the new season to reevaluate our current squad. Who knows, maybe some of them regain form with Conte, but if they dont, they will not be first options anyways.

You make great points there, especially the link with wages, which is something people forget often.

Ironically, that's one of the couple things you've missed: you propose a false dilemma in that we need to find a bench player to replace our bench players. Even if it were true, it doesn't really matter because the likes of PSG and other top sides have just so many options that it becomes unfair, as it has been. BTW, liverpool has Cam and Lucas, both far better players than Mikel (I'd even take Allen to be honest), but again I digress.

Point being that at around 75k and 95K weekly, I am sure Wanyama or any other midfield/defender from mid or smaller sides in the PL would suffer through sitting on our bench. Also, this idea of having bench warmers who accept their role as such is something very unique with us, and not common in other top sides: competition is important! Often I feel our players could use more competition - they look way too comfortable. And why do you say England? Are we not planning on competing in Europe anymore? There are good players all over the place and we have the expensive scouts to find them.

Accepting the status quo is accepting defeat. Even if I admit that Oscar may not cut it at chelsea, which disappoints me, I cannot understand why people still want players who have proven over and over again, over many years, that they are not good enough to make us competitive against the top sides. Should we take a loss with them? we've done it before.

[chelseafan26 293]

14 hours ago, Rmpr said:

Well, like I said before, I agree with your evaluations. I just dont think its nearly as easy to offloads those players as you think.

JT, Pato and Falcao are execptions as their contracts end. However, all other players are hard to get rid off. In order to sell players of the caliber of Oscar, Fabregas, Pedro and Cahill; we would need to find a club who can afford their wages and transfer fee and, at the same time, is atractive enough for them to accept the move. They all have families, etc. Its not simple!

Replacing players is complicated too. There are numerous expenses to count for: juridical, medical, traveling and housing for the first few months, agent fees, etc. Its easier to just stay with the current players imo. They already have their routine in place and so on. Not to count the fact those individuals are not too bad for bench options. I mean, which bench player in England is better than Cahill or Mikel? Apart from City, which bench midfielder is better than Oscar or Pedro? 

Also, Chelsea has a hard enough task by signing at least top 3-4 players. Imagine having to do that plus filling in bench options. It will only  unnecessary deviate the board from its true objective...

EDIT: In resume, what I am trying to say is that I believe CFC should try to first do the basic. Lets sign the key pieces we need and then use the new season to reevaluate our current squad. Who knows, maybe some of them regain form with Conte, but if they dont, they will not be first options anyways.

Good points mate. But I think the point that you make regarding the wages and fee would be applicable to the likes of Mikel and maybe even Cahill, I dont think that would be a problem at all with Oscar. Moreover, we cant guarantee CL/EL football to our players, the likes of united/juve/roma/bvb can. Pedro was chased after United, Oscar is still being linked with juve, Cahill is a Homegrown player. I can see the likes of everton going for him (with Jagielka getting closer to retirement). With Mikel, it would obviously be difficult. Accepted. 

Again, while I accept the first part of your argument, I just cant accept the 2nd. GC, mikel, Pedro and Oscar are average players and not worthy of Bench options. They add nothing to the team. If we had andreas in place of christensen, musonda in place of pedro, RLC starting every minute in place of Oscar would it affect us one bit? I honestly dont think so. I think the price tags have made it look differently. We are a club which boasts of the best Youth academy or rather the most Successful Youth Academy in the world. Its time they are a part of this.

Thats the point mate. We dont need to buy players to replace the bench options. We already have them. They are simply out on loan playing for vitesse, betis, monchengladbach. Thats it. Again, I do get the point of not going over baord with the overhaul, but by god, if any team ever needed a overhaul, its us.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Zidane is not using Kovacic much. We need two great dribblers in the team. That's what the most successful teams are doing. A fit Hazard and Kovacic would create a lot of problems for defenders.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

17 hours ago, Rmpr said:

Well, like I said before, I agree with your evaluations. I just dont think its nearly as easy to offloads those players as you think.

JT, Pato and Falcao are execptions as their contracts end. However, all other players are hard to get rid off. In order to sell players of the caliber of Oscar, Fabregas, Pedro and Cahill; we would need to find a club who can afford their wages and transfer fee and, at the same time, is atractive enough for them to accept the move. They all have families, etc. Its not simple!

Replacing players is complicated too. There are numerous expenses to count for: juridical, medical, traveling and housing for the first few months, agent fees, etc. Its easier to just stay with the current players imo. They already have their routine in place and so on. Not to count the fact those individuals are not too bad for bench options. I mean, which bench player in England is better than Cahill or Mikel? Apart from City, which bench midfielder is better than Oscar or Pedro? 

Also, Chelsea has a hard enough task by signing at least top 3-4 players. Imagine having to do that plus filling in bench options. It will only  unnecessary deviate the board from its true objective...

EDIT: In resume, what I am trying to say is that I believe CFC should try to first do the basic. Lets sign the key pieces we need and then use the new season to reevaluate our current squad. Who knows, maybe some of them regain form with Conte, but if they dont, they will not be first options anyways.

I agree few team have better bench than Mikel, Oscar, Pedro etc. But our players despite their quality, have little impact and influence and that is main reason why you put them in game at some point. 

Maybe its man managment at chelsea or players are simply not up to it. 

I mean we had Kalou who was arguably far worse player than Pedro, but he still scored several goals that were important. In fact I would have another Kalou over Pedro, Oscar, Pato, Falcao combined.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

15 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

What do you guys think of Rakitic?

IMO he is not having the best season with Barca and despite brilliant last one, he never realy suited them and replicated his sevilla form.

Im almost certain he will be available in summer and for relatively small amount if barca goes for another CM. 

Problem is he isnt fast or dynamic midfielder (and I dislike such players) but he could be perfect to set up counter attacks. He has that mentality of a winner and usualy performs well despite those physical flaws. He is still miles more useful in bigger games than Cesc. 

I usualy dont want any player from barca, except for those that dont suit them from the begining like Yaya, Alexis, Rakitic, Ibra etc...because they usualy play alot better in teams that play opposite stlye than barca. 

If there will be no better alternatives, I think Rakitic could be one to at least observe before sticking to Cesc for another season.

Barca has too much problems in keeping those three forwards in the team and pay their wages. They have the biggest payroll and I don't think they're in position to sign Pogba. From what is rumoured, they would have to sell one of Messi/Neymar/Suarez.

Oh, and they revealed yesterday that they're starting rebuilding the Camp Nou from 2017 for 600m€ and have to take credit for it. How they can break the transfer record and add Pogba's wages to already bad situation, I don't think they can.

[LAM09 7,043]

Barca has too much problems in keeping those three forwards in the team and pay their wages. They have the biggest payroll and I don't think they're in position to sign Pogba. From what is rumoured, they would have to sell one of Messi/Neymar/Suarez.

Oh, and they revealed yesterday that they're starting rebuilding the Camp Nou from 2017 for 600m€ and have to take credit for it. How they can break the transfer record and add Pogba's wages to already bad situation, I don't think they can.

I can see Neymar leaving in the near future. He wants to be the main star and that ain't happen when Messi is around