Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Besides CM and LB, we need either world class striker ala Cavani/Suarez (unrealistic though) OR good striker ala Costa and world class AM ala Reus.

Willian-Oscar-Hazard

------Cavani--------

or

Reus-Oscar-Hazard

------Costa------

Money in both cases spend would be around 70mio. With sales of deadwood, potentialy Luiz and Lukaku and money from Mata sale, we have more than enough finances to pull this through.

I have feeling Willian, Hazard and Oscar are too reliant on Hazard, while other two just run run and do nothing else. Costa would be alone in such attack if only Hazard was good enough to give him usefull balls.

[DDA 9,927]

I'm all for supporting our own players through their bad spells but I really couldn't give a fuck if Ramires was sold in the Summer. He was a beast for us in a chaotic time at Chelsea when there was no real structure to the team. Now Jose is implementing his frameworks, I'm not sure Ramires is good enough to play in a midifled role where transition is key. For me I would keep Luiz at the club for both the Center back position and that defensive midfield role and bring in an intelligent mid who can pass in tight areas effectively. You would have Matic, Lamps, Luiz and player X for the central midfield areas. That would be enough aslong as the player we brought in was special and of real World Class pedigree.

[Eligius 121]

Better than Ronaldo? Haha

Ronaldo and Messi are the elite

Suarez and Bale are around the same level

Let's see how Suarez does in the CL next season. He has to do it on the big stage to be mentioned in the same sentence as Ronaldo and Messi

What is Cristiano better than Suarez at?

I give him free kicks.

Cristiano was a JT pk slip from never winning a CL, so what exactly makes Cristiano on a different level?

Does he play out of position so his teammates can shine?

Does he work hard to get the ball back for his team?

Does he run all day long to press the back4?

Is he a team player or an individual?

[BloodIsBlue 291]

Tinkering with Hazard-Oscar-Willian is unnecessary. The team does a disservice to the trio is so many ways. Because we play Azpi on the left and Ivanovic, the trio is so spread out and pushed very far. You see Hazard and Willian wating on the side in places I expect my LB and RB to. The pitch becomes too big when in certain games Ivanovic is told pretty much not to cross the center line. There's is just too much pitch for the three to manage especially when Torres or Ba is out there, it's a lot to ask of the three. We need an all around left-back to get Azpi back on the right. They also have Ramires playing behind him who has been embarrassing lately. We can bring in Atsu because he has quality but to either shuffle around the part of our team or spend more money on the attacking mid is a waste of time.

We could use 2 CM's especially when Mikel, Lamps, Ramires and Luiz either aren't cutting it anymore or look like they will sacrificed for funds. The market for CM's isn't that bad either with guys like Pjanic, Khedira, Marchisio, Kovacic, Gundogan (risky), Bender, Rakitic and obviously more that I didn't mention possibly available (though we've been linked to a kid named Imbula). Ramires isn't enough of a footballer to link up with the likes Oscar-Hazard-Willian and Lamps doesn't have the legs to keep up with them.

I think we need to buy two big strikers for less than 60m, I am expecting to see all of our strikers leaving at the end of the season. I think Lukaku and Bamfordinho should come with us as well. Insurance never hurts and we need those English players to be legit for rules sake so Bamford as a fourth makes sense.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Tinkering with Hazard-Oscar-Willian is unnecessary. The team does a disservice to the trio is so many ways. Because we play Azpi on the left and Ivanovic, the trio is so spread out and pushed very far. You see Hazard and Willian wating on the side in places I expect my LB and RB to. The pitch becomes too big when in certain games Ivanovic is told pretty much not to cross the center line. There's is just too much pitch for the three to manage especially when Torres or Ba is out there, it's a lot to ask of the three. We need an all around left-back to get Azpi back on the right. They also have Ramires playing behind him who has been embarrassing lately. We can bring in Atsu because he has quality but to either shuffle around the part of our team or spend more money on the attacking mid is a waste of time.

We could use 2 CM's especially when Mikel, Lamps, Ramires and Luiz either aren't cutting it anymore or look like they will sacrificed for funds. The market for CM's isn't that bad either with guys like Pjanic, Khedira, Marchisio, Kovacic, Gundogan (risky), Bender, Rakitic and obviously more that I didn't mention possibly available. Ramires isn't enough of a footballer to link up with the likes Oscar-Hazard-Willian and Lamps doesn't have the legs to keep up with them.

I think we need to buy two big strikers for less than 60m, I am expecting to see all of our strikers leaving at the end of the season. I think Lukaku and Bamfordinho should come with us as well. Insurance never hurts and we need those English players to be legit for rules sake so Bamford as a fourth makes sense.

If thats so, how come Hazard despite all the problems in team, still creates all that? And he aint even #10 + he still tracks back lot.

How come Mata who played realy few games got more chances created than Oscar back in january?

Willian and Oscar are playing bad and it has to be said even you/I are Chelsea fan. There are situations where those two fuck up easiest passes with their silly dribbles and lose ball. Their thinking and decision making wont change and if they have world class or bad players around. WILLIAN AND OSCAR need to fix things with themselves, their attacking is shocking. Yes they dont have good striker to pass to and dont have backup in full backs or pivot, but there are moments where those two could simply pass to open player, try to take shot, but they end up losing the ball.

Its said enough that team lacks ball to take shots, Hazard included. What the fuck is so hard to take a fucking shot? Instead they dribble past five players and end up losing ball 90% of time.

Just yesterday, Willian was in good position to take a shot. What did he do? He passed to Oscar. He had chance to shot. What did Oscar do? He passed to Ramires who end up losing the ball. If thats not brilliant well...it wont matter how many world class players we will have, with this thinking Willian and Oscar will still fuck up most of attacks. We are too reliant on Hazard and he aint Messi to be so better than rest of the team. Willian and Oscar are simply that bad. The only thing saving them is their hard working in defence and thats it. But if Oscar recovers ball 10 times and Willian loses it 10 timea after, whats the point?

[Eligius 121]

If thats so, how come Hazard despite all the problems in team, still creates all that? And he aint even #10 + he still tracks back lot.

How come Mata who played realy few games got more chances created than Oscar back in january?

Willian and Oscar are playing bad and it has to be said even you/I are Chelsea fan. There are situations where those two fuck up easiest passes with their silly dribbles and lose ball. Their thinking and decision making wont change and if they have world class or bad players around. WILLIAN AND OSCAR need to fix things with themselves, their attacking is shocking. Yes they dont have good striker to pass to and dont have backup in full backs or pivot, but there are moments where those two could simply pass to open player, try to take shot, but they end up losing the ball.

Its said enough that team lacks ball to take shots, Hazard included. What the fuck is so hard to take a fucking shot? Instead they dribble past five players and end up losing ball 90% of time.

Just yesterday, Willian was in good position to take a shot. What did he do? He passed to Oscar. He had chance to shot. What did Oscar do? He passed to Ramires who end up losing the ball. If thats not brilliant well...it wont matter how many world class players we will have, with this thinking Willian and Oscar will still fuck up most of attacks. We are too reliant on Hazard and he aint Messi to be so better than rest of the team. Willian and Oscar are simply that bad. The only thing saving them is their hard working in defence and thats it. But if Oscar recovers ball 10 times and Willian loses it 10 timea after, whats the point?

This is where your wrong. He is our #10. The offense revolves around Hazard. Just because you are not in the middle doesn't make you not the n10.

When hazard has to start in the middle, it is a lot more difficult for him. He's not strong to muscle guys in the middle and he doesn't move well without the ball. He hold's onto the ball so long, which allows the defense to get in shape and to surround him. He get's more freedom on the wings and is allowed to cutback in all the times. this is the best scenario for him atm. Hazard is lucky that Oscar has tactical precision knowing where to be and giving everyone enough space... Guess what when schurrle went to get the ball from the midfield, guess where Oscar was. Playing CF, since Schurrle doesn't know wtf he's doing as a CF and Oscar had to be there to cover him.

Yesterday Hazard, when he slotted in the middle, he had one touch/pass.

Willian's role is different than Hazard. Willian role is to cover and run his lungs out for the team. No Willian? Ok, lose to CP again.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

This is where your wrong. He is our #10. The offense revolves around Hazard. Just because you are not in the middle doesn't make you not the n10.

When hazard has to start in the middle, it is a lot more difficult for him. He's not strong to muscle guys in the middle and he doesn't move well without the ball. He get's more freedom on the wings and is allowed to cutback in all the times. this is the best scenario for him atm. Hazard is lucky that Oscar has tactical precision knowing where to be and giving everyone enough space... Guess what when schurrle went to get the ball from the midfield, guess where Oscar was. Playing CF, since Schurrle doesn't know wtf he's doing as a CF and Oscar had to be there to cover him.

Yesterday Hazard, when he slotted in the middle, he had one touch/pass.

Willian's role is different than Hazard. Willian role is to cover and run his lungs out for the team. No Willian? Ok, lose to CP again.

Yeah but it will take lot more team work to be better. If Willian is only runner of the team with no attacking skill, we are dead on right side. If Oscar cant make killer passes, we are dead in middle. Hazard remains, but he is well covered. Thats reason we cant break through Palace or Villa defence. They cover Hazard well, while Oscar and Willian wont even try to be more dangerous in attack; either by Mou orderers not to make too much space for opponent or because they dont have ability to be dangerous. I think its the first more possible. Mou wants players to be defenders more than attackers.

With someone like Reus instead of Willian (just example) game against Villa or Palace would be won easier. Having to cover on both wings because of Hazard and Reus, we would be more dangerous, even through the middle. But sure, a striker is required too.

We will need damn good striker who will take every chance and be able to make goals on his own if Oscar and Willian will be this restricted in final third next season. Costa relies on playerd behind him a lot for example...realy dont have idea what Mou was doing last summer, keeping Torres, loaning Lukaku, not buying Cavani who was expensive but might be the difference of winning title this year...we needed striker one way or another, and there were better options last summer...

[Eligius 121]

Yeah but it will take lot more team work to be better. If Willian is only runner of the team with no attacking skill, we are dead on right side. If Oscar cant make killer passes, we are dead in middle. Hazard remains, but he is well covered. Thats reason we cant break through Palace or Villa defence. They cover Hazard well, while Oscar and Willian wont even try to be more dangerous in attack; either by Mou orderers not to make too much space for opponent or because they dont have ability to be dangerous. I think its the first more possible. Mou wants players to be defenders more than attackers.

With someone like Reus instead of Willian (just example) game against Villa or Palace would be won easier. Having to cover on both wings because of Hazard and Reus, we would be more dangerous, even through the middle. But sure, a striker is required too.

We will need damn good striker who will take every chance and be able to make goals on his own if Oscar and Willian will be this restricted in final third next season. Costa relies on playerd behind him a lot for example...realy dont have idea what Mou was doing last summer, keeping Torres, loaning Lukaku, not buying Cavani who was expensive but might be the difference of winning title this year...we needed striker one way or another, and there were better options last summer...

Have you seen Di Maria this year vs last year.

Or Argentina Di Maria vs last year...

Huge difference. Willian does what he is told as does Oscar, ramires, hazard, etc.

It's not their fault entirely the offense is stagnant.

[quickpassnmove 924]

Well is it that absurd that we'll get him ?

I mean Dortmund are pretty much falling apart. Real Madrid wont buy him, he doesn't suit Barca's style + they cant buy players anyway now. I guess City can bid for him but not sure they will.

How much will Dortmund ask for him?

Why is it strange? We need another quality AM.

why talk about Marco Reus or any new attacking midfielder when Chelsea clearly need real centre midfielders, a top striker, and some fullbacks that can contribute to an attack? Marco Reus isn't going to add something dramatically different to Chelsea even IF a new attacking midfielder were badly needed. If after addressing these priorities and putting it all together for 6 to 9 months you still want something different, a big, agile winger would add a dimension to the attack.

For a few moments in this season, we saw some link-up play between Eto'o, Hazard, Schuerrle. If CFC had a top striker for every matchday and attacking fullbacks (as you mentioned) along with smooth operators in center midfield (Matic being the only one right now), the attacking midfielders we already have would be able to do more. There's no reason to spend more money on the 4231 formation's attacking midfielders before the other positions are fixed with new players. That's why it's strange you're talking about this.

[Eligius 121]

I think he'll just replace the less-good AM I guess? we'll have to see who performs better next season.

IMO we need a player like Reus to work with Hazard, because Schurrle, Willian or Oscar are not yet on his level. They are unable to create too many chances ATM. If Hazard isn't active, we're useless. We also lack quality on the bench after selling Mata and KDB. If we play Hazard-Oscar-Willian then we only have Schurrle on the bench, and I guess Salah too but he's still young and probably needs to improve.

If one of them gets injured? If Hazard gets injured.. we're doomed.

You don't understand the way our team plays.

We don't need an Am. we need a cm to spray balls faster to the team. We need some young legs at the fullback position since Ivan will lose in a footrace to most wingers.. We need a CF, that going to win longballs, hold the ball up and be a physical presence for the three small ams.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Have you seen Di Maria this year vs last year.

Or Argentina Di Maria vs last year...

Huge difference. Willian does what he is told as does Oscar, ramires, hazard, etc.

It's not their fault entirely the offense is stagnant.

Yeah that certain, Mou tactics are killin attacking spark in players. It could be big problem and main reason why Mou might not be best for this team. But he made great work back then in inter with Sneijder and Etoo.

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

What is Cristiano better than Suarez at?

I give him free kicks.

Cristiano was a JT pk slip from never winning a CL, so what exactly makes Cristiano on a different level?

Does he play out of position so his teammates can shine?

Does he work hard to get the ball back for his team?

Does he run all day long to press the back4?

Is he a team player or an individual?

Suarez is having a great season but, it doesn't make him as good as Ronaldo. Ronaldo has done it consistently for years now, he has scored more goals than games he's played for Madrid.

If Suarez can keep that level up for 2-3 seasons he will be up there with Messi and Ronaldo. Suarez probably does more for his team than Ronaldo but, Ronaldo is the better individual player by talent.

Suarez does tend to bully the weaker teams, Ronaldo often turns up against the very best and the weaker sides.

I just don't think 1 great season should put a player up there with 2 guys who have done it all apart from win a cup for their national side

[Eligius 121]

Suarez is having a great season but, it doesn't make him as good as Ronaldo. Ronaldo has done it consistently for years now, he has scored more goals than games he's played for Madrid.

If Suarez can keep that level up for 2-3 seasons he will be up there with Messi and Ronaldo. Suarez probably does more for his team than Ronaldo but, Ronaldo is the better individual player by talent.

Suarez does tend to bully the weaker teams, Ronaldo often turns up against the very best and the weaker sides.

I just don't think 1 great season should put a player up there with 2 guys who have done it all apart from win a cup for their national side

Ronaldo disappears a lot as well.

Most recently el clasico. Suarez was a beast in the world cup 2010, while Cristiano was useless on the big stage. When Cristiano left United, guess what happen to United ? They went to the champs league final, while Cristiano has yet to appear in a CL final for Madrid. when you take 10 shots a game, every pk, fk there is, you will score a lot of goals. Suarez doesn't get that since Gerrard, Coutinho, Daniel do it as well.

However, I will say that Liverpool's system is an inflated system for offensive players, but Suarez still works harder than everyone else on the pitch when his shot is missing.

Suarez, Aguero are definitely on Cristiano's level.

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

Ronaldo disappears a lot as well.

Most recently el clasico. Suarez was a beast in the world cup 2010, while Cristiano was useless on the big stage. When Cristiano left United, guess what happen to United the following season? They went to the champs league final, while Cristiano has yet to appear in a CL final for Madrid. when you take 10 shots a game, every pk, fk there is, you will score a lot of goals. Suarez doesn't get that since Gerrard, Coutinho, Daniel do it as well.

However, I will say that Liverpool's system is an inflated system for offensive players, but Suarez still works harder than everyone else on the pitch when his shot is missing.

It's always tough comparing players. If you go by individual talent you could argue Zlatan is up there. I just want to see Suarez in the CL and maybe move to a bigger club and see how he does. I'm sure he can be one of the greats, I just don't think he should be judged on a wonder season. He could end up like Torres , who was hailed as world class in his first 2 seasons at Liverpool.

Who knows, Suarez might be at his peak already or maybe he will get even better.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Costa, Kroos, Shaw

Maybe if I say it enough and click my shoes together it'll come true.

If we manage to get those three in, offload Torres, Ba, Mikel and some of the guys out on loan i.e Kakuta, Romeu etc. it'll be a very successful year for us next year.