Rumoured Lucas Moura

[Marvin123 484]

we should ring em up and say whatever manUre wanna pay we'll stick 5m on top :blue scalf:

[Leif 6,006]

What stupid logic to go by...

Who are you to base whether someone's opinion is based on 'stupid' logic or not?

[Kojo 4,676]

Who are you to base whether someone's opinion is based on 'stupid' logic or not?

Because i am, who are you like?.

It's stupid logic because he's basing it off International games, and he's only a youngster. So because someone does kick off internationally doesn't mean he's a bad player at all. Very stupid logic to go by because it's not accurate at all.

[JDY 1,290]

Because i am, who are you like?.

It's stupid logic because he's basing it off International games, and he's only a youngster. So because someone does kick off internationally doesn't mean he's a bad player at all. Very stupid logic to go by because it's not accurate at all.

He didn't say he was a bad player. He said he hasn't proven anything at International level yet, which is why he doesn't want him.

[Kojo 4,676]

He didn't say he was a bad player. He said he hasn't proven anything at International level yet, which is why he doesn't want him.

But it's silly logic, because not all players make an impact internationally. I would take Lucas Moura any day, really good talent. So because he doesn't put any decent performances in interationally, doesn't determine the player for me. Because i've learned that International can be a completely different thing for some players. Look at Messi, yeah he got that hattrick against Brazil but he's no where near as good he is, when he's at Barcelona.

Crouch was the opposite, great goal scorer for England, couldn't score in a club, but for England he scores great goals, okay against average teams. But can he do that in the league?, not really.

[JDY 1,290]

Just to clarify, I don't agree with what BlueLyon said.

Lucas has potential, but he hasn't even proven enough in his native Brazil to warrant the ridiculous fee's that are being quoted.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Just to clarify, I don't agree with what BlueLyon said.

Lucas has potential, but he hasn't even proven enough in his native Brazil to warrant the ridiculous fee's that are being quoted.

That is what I meant. He is good talent, but expensive and risky one. As long players play in brasil league, their only way to prove themselves how good they might be are international games against teams who have players from top leagues, like Argentina. If they play good on such matches, they surely are worth a risk. Some players might be outstanding at their club level, but didnt realy prove themselves in any bigger competiton (copa libertadores, U-20 WC,...). Lucas is so far such example and his style requires lot of space and he dribbles past defenders who are not exactly top level. And it could turn that Lucas might fade in eu, like Robinho. Sure he couldn turn to be best player in world eventualy, but so far he didnt proved to be worth 30mio plus. Oscar has much more important and visible role in NT, his atributes are Vision, Long passing,...the feeling how to pass is same in any league and he can keep that great passing in PL like he does in brasil. Lucas sure will have to improve in dribbling, he wasnt as great in NT games as in club. Also, Neymar who is considered to be best dribbler and player in brasil didnt showed anything realy fantastic against Barca. The biggest risk are players whos first best ability is dribbling. Oscar offers much more than that and he is worth a try. Lucas will have to show me some better performances AGAINST HARDER OPPONENT, doesnt matter club or international level. But without doubt he is one of best prospects, even ahead of Neymar maybe but I wouldnt pay 30mio for him from what I seen, that doesnt mean I wouldnt be excited if club actualy gets him. Its just that I would pick some other players ahead of Lucas, Oscar would be first choice definately.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

But it's silly logic, because not all players make an impact internationally. I would take Lucas Moura any day, really good talent. So because he doesn't put any decent performances in interationally, doesn't determine the player for me. Because i've learned that International can be a completely different thing for some players. Look at Messi, yeah he got that hattrick against Brazil but he's no where near as good he is, when he's at Barcelona.

Crouch was the opposite, great goal scorer for England, couldn't score in a club, but for England he scores great goals, okay against average teams. But can he do that in the league?, not really.

Crouch played in PL not Brasil Serie A, I am sure he would score more goals for Santos or Sao Paulo than Liverpool or Stoke.

Also, Lucas is great prospect I agree, has more potential than Oscar too, but he didnt put great performance against any better side actualy, club or international level. There were several superb talents from brasil who exceled in dribbling, but they failed hard in EU. Specialy PL. Ramires, Sandro, Luiz,...have different abilities, dribbling is not their strongest and if they suceeded, it doesnt mean Lucas will too. Specialy, Lucas would fit spain or italy better because there is more space to dribble. But Oscar on other hand was superb at U-20 World cup last year, also won few tournaments with club, Internacional won Copa libertadores two years ago with Oscar as more important player and last, he is playmaker of this young brasil team for some time now. If Lucas would realy do better, he would play instead of Oscar, but he is sub recently. There is no doubt that Lucas is better dribbler and makes those fancy moves, but Oscar has more atributes, from passing, fight for ball, vision, several positions; CM, CAM, supporting striker,...And he is more suited PL because he is much more calm on the ball, very inteligent and makes right decisions. He is also on right place, very mature for 20year old. Lucas on other hand, often tries too much and then looses ball, that is why Oscar now plays CAM in brasil, mostly because whole team plays better because of him. And those are main reasons I prefer Oscar over Lucas, not just because Oscar did better in NT than Lucas, but he did also better at club level and has more atributes than Lucas.

Not that I 'dont want' Lucas, its just that there are several players you can get for lower price and did more at higher football levels; Oscar, Muniain,...but sure Lucas has best dribbling, yet that could also be his weakness in case he couldnt handle europe defenders. He has no other atributes then. Ronaldinho had passing, dribbling, shooting,...Lucas is currently only at dribbling, sure he is not yet finished product. But risk is still very high.

[Kojo 4,676]

Crouch played in PL not Brasil Serie A, I am sure he would score more goals for Santos or Sao Paulo than Liverpool or Stoke.

Also, Lucas is great prospect I agree, has more potential than Oscar too, but he didnt put great performance against any better side actualy, club or international level. There were several superb talents from brasil who exceled in dribbling, but they failed hard in EU. Specialy PL. Ramires, Sandro, Luiz,...have different abilities, dribbling is not their strongest and if they suceeded, it doesnt mean Lucas will too. Specialy, Lucas would fit spain or italy better because there is more space to dribble. But Oscar on other hand was superb at U-20 World cup last year, also won few tournaments with club, Internacional won Copa libertadores two years ago with Oscar as more important player and last, he is playmaker of this young brasil team for some time now. If Lucas would realy do better, he would play instead of Oscar, but he is sub recently. There is no doubt that Lucas is better dribbler and makes those fancy moves, but Oscar has more atributes, from passing, fight for ball, vision, several positions; CM, CAM, supporting striker,...And he is more suited PL because he is much more calm on the ball, very inteligent and makes right decisions. He is also on right place, very mature for 20year old. Lucas on other hand, often tries too much and then looses ball, that is why Oscar now plays CAM in brasil, mostly because whole team plays better because of him. And those are main reasons I prefer Oscar over Lucas, not just because Oscar did better in NT than Lucas, but he did also better at club level and has more atributes than Lucas.

Not that I 'dont want' Lucas, its just that there are several players you can get for lower price and did more at higher football levels; Oscar, Muniain,...but sure Lucas has best dribbling, yet that could also be his weakness in case he couldnt handle europe defenders. He has no other atributes then. Ronaldinho had passing, dribbling, shooting,...Lucas is currently only at dribbling, sure he is not yet finished product. But risk is still very high.

Then give him some time at least, he's still only young, doesn't mean he will be like that all the time. And let me tell you this, there's less big teams than any other teams. If he can kick the shit out of them, i'd definitely take him.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Lucas, Neymar, Oscar will all probably shape brasil team for next years, but some of them suit PL more, some less.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Then give him some time at least, he's still only young, doesn't mean he will be like that all the time. And let me tell you this, there's less big teams than any other teams. If he can kick the shit out of them, i'd definitely take him.

Sure he is very young indeed, as I said could be best in the world, but as far goes, he is more suited for Spain or Italy. While Oscar has all whar is needed to PL. Imediate impact and mentality among other. If we would be barca, I would cheer to get Lucas ahead of Oscar because of his immense dribbling talent, and spanish league and barca can offer such talent to become greatest. Lucas might get in PL eventualy, but before he should go to Italy, Spain,...where conditions and style suit him more. But I agree, he might be huge here too, just with Oscar, things are at least bit more clear

how he plays against bigger teams.

[Henrique 9,133]

São Paulo refused the offer, for now.

[Chelsea? 892]

Can't be after him and Oscar surely. But that makes mire sense than Lucas and hulk. Oscar plays central while lucas can play on the right. But we seriously need some size upfront.

[JoulJoul 20]

United offer 38m euros turned down.

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/times/sao-paulo/noticia/2012/07/sao-paulo-recusa-nova-proposta-do-manchester-united-por-lucas.html

[Marvin123 484]

Forget hulk we need to buy this kid before manU do!!!

[OneMoSalah 8,783]

All I see is a ball wanker, he can get to fucccccccccccccccck. We already have Danny.

[teh_Stig 12]

All I see is a ball wanker, he can get to fucccccccccccccccck. We already have Danny.

Exactly. He's a talent - I won't deny that. But we spent all last season complaining about how selfish Sturridge is. There's no sense in replacing him at RW with someone that will cost us more than 30mil, with likley a bigger ego, and who's just as selfish with the ball.

[Severinb 309]

http://m.skysports.com/article/football//7928370

Fuck off united!