Juan Mata

[dee25 1,044]

The problem with your post is: Mourinho is giving Mata the chances, he started almost as many as Oscar, but he has been avarage at best. So if you still prefer Mata over Oscar at this point, you really look like a fan-boy.

As you said, this is a football forum, so dont get angry to find this kind of terms here. Being a fanboy is not that bad at all.

I think the point is that some use terms like "Mata fanboys" as an easy way to discredit opinions that are different from theirs. It's just lazy & ends up only provoking people.

I agree that Mourinho has given Mata chances but I also think he made up his mind about Mata long before he gave him those chances. How much minutes has Mata actually played compared to Oscar? It won't be surprising to me if it's a lot less.

The way I see it, Oscar fits in with Mourinho's system and that kind of makes it easier for him to perform better than Mata and also makes it inevitable that Mata will fail in this system.

If people still prefer Mata in the no.10 role over Oscar even though the former has been average then its because we generally tend to create more chances when Mata plays in that role. Mourinho has shown that he's justified in persisting with Oscar but some forget that up until recently, we hadn’t at all looked impressive for a stretch of games. Before the Soton match, there was very little we could use as evidence that Oscar does make the team better (other than maybe our league position). Before these recent games, Oscar had still yet to register 1 assist in the league even though he’s started the majority of the games this season. Lampard has created more chances from central midfield than Oscar has in the no. 10 position. Mata also has created more chances than Oscar despite playing less minutes and playing out of position. It's not hard to see why people would prefer him in the no. 10. Now it’s easy to make a clear case that Oscar makes the team better but people forget that there was a while where, match after match, we very much struggled to create chances and were relying mainly on goalkeeping errors.

IMO, the way some people prefer Mata to Oscar is no different from how some prefer Luiz over Cahill, Azpi over Iva, Mikel over Lampard etc. A lot of these people who are making “Mata fanboy” accusations are the same people who have argued for Luiz to be played over Cahill when a case can be made that Cahill has been better than Luiz. Funny how they don't see that as "fanboying".

[The only place to be 11,313]

IMO, the way some people prefer Mata to Oscar is no different from how some prefer Luiz over Cahill, Azpi over Iva, Mikel over Lampard etc. A lot of these people who are making “Mata fanboy” accusations are the same people who have argued for Luiz to be played over Cahill when a case can be made that Cahill has been better than Luiz. Funny how they don't see that as "fanboying".

Completely disagree. Oscar is our most important player and the choice between him and Mata has massive ramifications on the way we play football compared to those other positions.

If people still prefer Mata in the no.10 role over Oscar even though the former has been average then its because we generally tend to create more chances when Mata plays in that role..

If they're basing it on 'creating chances' then that might make sense. But shouldn't they be basing it on how the team plays as a whole?

The way I see it, Oscar fits in with Mourinho's system and that kind of makes it easier for him to perform better than Mata and also makes it inevitable that Mata will fail in this system.

Absolutely agree, but you'll see people using Mata's two POTY awards as some sort of justification for Mourinho needing to build the team around him. Fanboy is a bad term to use in my opinion, but I'm not sure what other word you might use.

[Barbara 15,149]

IMO, the way some people prefer Mata to Oscar is no different from how some prefer Luiz over Cahill, Azpi over Iva, Mikel over Lampard etc. A lot of these people who are making “Mata fanboy” accusations are the same people who have argued for Luiz to be played over Cahill when a case can be made that Cahill has been better than Luiz. Funny how they don't see that as "fanboying

and still they went to the Cahill thread and said he was the best CB playing for us and David rightfully deserved to be benched.

Or recognizing him as our best man in the pitch, not only among the defends, but the whole team.

There, mister, is the difference between fanboying/girling and still being able to see instead of being plain blind.

Cheers!

[dee25 1,044]

and still they went to the Cahill thread and said he was the best CB playing for us and David rightfully deserved to be benched.

There, mister, is the difference between fanboying/girling and still being able to see instead of being plain blind.

Cheers!

Well I wasn't exactly referring to you specifically, Barbara. Just commenting generally on the irony of this fanboy business. So spare me the melodrama. Please. If I have something to say about a point you specifically mentioned then believe me I have no reservations in responding directly to you.

Secondly, so you finally gave Cahill some recognition after four months into the season..... :woo:

Break out the champagne!

[Barbara 15,149]

Well I wasn't exactly referring to you specifically, Barbara. Just commenting generally on the irony of this fanboy business. So spare me the melodrama. Please. If I have something to say about a point you specifically mentioned then believe me I have no reservations in responding directly to you.

Secondly, so you finally gave Cahill some recognition after four months into the season..... :woo:

Break out the champagne!

well, I guess I was the one to introduce the term in the thread, and I have been very active in the Luiz/Cahill discussion, so I thought I was included in the group of people you meant. I don't regret using the term. Being a fanboy/girl isn't a problem. Being blinded by it is. We all could be subjected to that, I'm sure I've been in the past (may still be about Mourinho actually)

[dee25 1,044]

well, I guess I was the one to introduce the term in the thread, and I have been very active in the Luiz/Cahill discussion, so I thought I was included in the group of people you meant. I don't regret using the term. Being a fanboy/girl isn't a problem. Being blinded by it is. We all could be subjected to that, I'm sure I've been in the past (may still be about Mourinho actually)

For the love of god, woman. If you're going to post a gif of a chick in a bikini then do it right and make sure she doesn't have a size A cup. I'm sure the fellows would agree.

Being blinded by fanboying? Who gets to decide who is blinded by it and who isn't, you? What constitutes being blinded by fanboyism? Please tell me so I know. I don't want to blinded by fanboyism.

[Barbara 15,149]

For the love of god, woman. If you're going to post a gif of a chick in a bikini then do it right and make sure she doesn't have a size A cup. I'm sure the fellows would agree.

Being blinded by fanboying? Who gets to decide who is blinded by it and who isn't, you? What constitutes being blinded by fanboyism? Please tell me so I know. I don't want to blinded by fanboyism.

that's basically my body, so I guess it represents me well opening it

Surely I don't. Did I say member X, Y, A are blind fanboys? do I think there are some? Well I do simply because it's statistical, I'm not calling anyone specifically except me on Mourinho.

[Stingray 9,441]

I say wait with the champagne and get out the mud

[Stingray 9,441]

For the love of god, woman. If you're going to post a gif of a chick in a bikini then do it right and make sure she doesn't have a size A cup. I'm sure the fellows would agree.

YES !!! WE AGREE !!!

Ps: sorry ladies, I just could NOT resist this one ......

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

boobs in the Mata topic. best thread ever lol.

[Pizy 18,890]

Personally, I like smaller tits. So long as she's got a Jennifer Lopez ass.

I love where this thread has gone, LOL!

[edetarod 2,155]

[sutro 1,026]

YES !!! WE AGREE !!!

Ps: sorry ladies, I just could NOT resist this one ......

I was waiting for you ,it was just a matter of time wasnt it ?

[Stingray 9,441]

I was waiting for you ,it was just a matter of time wasnt it ?

Man, I REALLY tried to contain myself.

As for my punishment Chelseaboobs:

I repent my sins !!

[Pizy 18,890]

Imagine when that woman is like 50, though. Her chest will be swinging around her belly button.