lionsden 4,689 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 You were in the Ivanovic thread earlier moaning because he is shit at crossing.If the defenders are partly judged on what they offer going forward then why can't that be the case vice versa?What does this even mean because it makes absolutely no sense. so you are comparing the primary tasks of fullbacks which involves defending and joining the attack to provide width when necessary to that of a no 10? whose primary duties is solely measured on attacking contributions? bombing forward to join the attack has long been part and parcel of the fullback game that it's been recognized as a primary task. Some would even argue that fullbacks are more celebrated for their attacking contributions in modern era than their defensive contributionsYou might have a point the day defensive duties becomes a major requirement, expectation and part and parcel of a no 10 primary task and job description world wide but for now it isn't and players like mata will continue to be revered for their playmaking abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Bloody hell. Why on earth do I immediately get thrown a reply like that implying I'm being 'Pro-Mata' or 'Mata FC'?! My point was simply that we're gonna get a conundrum whichever position we play Mata in right now. Due to this Mourinho's system, we can't play him in the No.10 role because defensively he's not sound and/or fits into what Jose wants even if offensively he can contribute a lot more than others that have played there. Then if we play Mata out wide, his defensive deficiencies - which is not as bad as many are making it to be - may be hidden and made less obvious but we won't get out as much as we could offensively there as compared to in the No.10 role.People can use the past to say Mata can play out wide and do a good a job there but like it or not, he's just not suited out there. He can still be of use out wide but we'll only get say 50% of the player there compared to 100% in the middle. We have all seen how devastating and/or influential he can be there but don't think any Chelsea fans can deny this. This BS crap about Mata doesn't defend or track back etc at this point is getting really old. He does that now and has improved a lot from previous seasons but he's simply not a player with the same tenacity, aggressiveness, mobility, pacey like the others especially with this pressing approach and Mourinho placing high importance in transitions.All in all, this whole problem with this is that Mata just simply doesn't suit Mourinho's profile of players of being all-round action type and dynamic to play as one of the attacking trios behind the striker. There is always going to be one problem or another regardless of where we play him in this system.No I don't mean to say you are pro-Mata and I wholeheartedly agree with your entire post, it's spot on imo. My point was simply that in general the whole argument about Mata kind of lumps one side of the argument automatically in that Mata FC bucket right now because Mata at his beast doesn't mean Chelsea at their best anymore. We are winning now and for the first time in 2-3 years actually building a team identity.Unfortunately, the simple fact is that Mata FC and Chelsea FC are mutually exclusive, they weren't in previous years but they are now and it won't change. Jase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 You might have a point the day defensive duties becomes a major requirement, expectation and part and parcel of a no 10 primary task and job description world wide but for now it isn't and players like mata will continue to be revered for their playmaking abilities.Iniesta, Xavi and Messi have all been praised for their contribution to Barca's pressing game. I don't see why Oscar is an exception to this.Pro mata in this case is used to mean those that see mata as a superior player and a better option as a no 10 behind the striker to Oscar. I thought that was straightforward enough because make no mistake about it, if it was caliber of players like Iniesta,D.Silva or Ozil that's benching mata, you wouldn't even hear or see any objections from me.Isn't it the case that Mourinho probably sees Mata more as a right-winger so he's actually competing with Willian for a starting spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 What does this even mean because it makes absolutely no sense. so you are comparing the primary tasks of fullbacks which involves defending and joining the attack to provide width when necessary to that of a no 10? whose primary duties is solely measured on attacking contributions? bombing forward to join the attack has long been part and parcel of the fullback game that it's been recognized as a primary task. Some would even argue that fullbacks are more celebrated for their attacking contributions in modern era than their defensive contributionsYou might have a point the day defensive duties becomes a major requirement, expectation and part and parcel of a no 10 primary task and job description world wide but for now it isn't and players like mata will continue to be revered for their playmaking abilities.The point is at one time in football history the game evolved and the fullbacks had to start offering more going forward and now the game demands players to be good off the ball aswell as on it.Look at Barca under Pep, the pressing and harrasing they did when they didn't have the ball was a key reason as to why they are called by some the best team off all time, most times they lost the ball they had it back within seconds. Robben and Ribery's defensive work helped Bayern conquer all before them last season.In this day in age balance is important, players must be good at both aspects off the game. The free role is slowly dying out just like the sweeper did, if you want to be top dog in football your players have to do their bit at both ends off the pitch. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yeah I agree that teamwork is key. It is no surprise that mata hardly gets into Spain because he can't offer the balance like the other players do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pHaRaOn 2,131 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't believe it, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 With Mata going to United, that would stun the growth of Adan....I highly doubt they would do that since Moyes rates him highly. Also, it would allow Shinji to return to BVB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 ChelsTransferGossip @ChelsTransfer21sManchester United are closing in on a £37m move for Juan Mata (Telegraph)Very tempting... but surely we cant sell, only if we get Rooney. sdrcfc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephreak 42 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Really Chelsea? To United? How bizarre if true. He will obviously make them much better, why would we even consider to give those pri*ks any benefit of having any of our players. Stupid move.They refuse to give us Rooney, and I think that we should do the same. I don´t care if their bid is the highest. zolayes and sdrcfc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendo 1,088 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't get why United would need mata? I doubt he would be played in the nr 10 role with Rooney/Kagawa there, they have far more issues with their wingers. but they will probably end up playing him on the wing which is one of the reason he has been struggling for us this season...Why spend £37m on a player you are going to play out of position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,903 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So who's organizing the boycott if Mata is sold to United? Unless we get Rooney in return THIS MONTH then no way. None of this "give us Mata now and we'll let you have Rooney in the summer" bullshit that United fans are talking about.Would be an absolute outrage if he's sold there without us getting anything in return other than cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 ChelsTransferGossip @ChelsTransfer21sManchester United are closing in on a £37m move for Juan Mata (Telegraph)Very tempting... but surely we cant sell, only if we get Rooney. If we reject the bid, he should hand in a transfer request and force the move and guess what, I won't even be mad at him for it. he's too good to be rotting on the bench.he will find plenty of clubs where he would "fit" in the managers plan. chelseathebest and Vybz Kartel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 37m is too much to turn down for a benchwarmer. Sell him and use some of the money to reinvest in a player Mourinho wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If we reject the bid, he should hand in a transfer request and force the move and guess what, I won't even be mad at him for it. he's too good to be rotting on the bench.he will find plenty of clubs where he would "fit" in the managers plan.He wont fit Moyes.With the return of Rooney +RVp, he going to play on the wings and with the emergence of Adan, I highly doubt they would do this (unless, its a board move)..Also, what clubs do you speak of that would make Mata their number 1 option on their team? Blue Armour and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 37m is too much to turn down for a benchwarmer. Sell him and use some of the money to reinvest in a player Mourinho wants.sell him to manure ....You can NOT be serious ,,,,, Ainsley Harriott and Christo191 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD3D 1,038 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't believe Mou would sell them Mata. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this could actually happen and it could be a genius move by Mourinho.Hear me out guys:First of all, from a strategic point of view, Mourinho has already stated he believes Manchester United are out of the title race, PLUS we won't be facing Mata + United again this season (seeing as Mata is cup-tied for the Champions League and we already played them twice in the EPL). So strengthening United with Mata would ONLY cause damage to our title rivals seeing as United still has to play Arsenal, Liverpool AND City.Add to that the fact that Chelsea has to deal with its financial loss, Mata will want to be at a club where he can get minutes in order to be at the world cup and the fact that such deal could potentially make room for Rooney in the summer. On top of all of that, we would be getting 37 million for a player that has fallen to the category of bench warmer for Chelsea.This deal makes so much sense in sooo many ways. I'm somewhat afraid to say this but,... I... hope the deal goes through.Still love you Juan, I'm sorry. De_ChrapQaa and Johnny Kills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Would not blame him for goin to united Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De_ChrapQaa 192 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I hope our board isn't that stupid :/ sdrcfc, Christo191 and zolayes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 anyone who has watched manure this year and doesnt think Mata would massively improve them IS FUCKING KRAZY Vybz Kartel and Christo191 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendo 1,088 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't believe Mou would sell them Mata. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this could actually happen and it could be a genius move by Mourinho.Hear me out guys:First of all, from a strategic point of view, Mourinho has already stated he believes Manchester United are out of the title race, PLUS we won't be facing Mata + United again this season (seeing as Mata is cup-tied for the Champions League and we already played them twice in the EPL). So strengthening United with Mata would ONLY cause damage to our title rivals seeing as United still has to play Arsenal, Liverpool AND City.Add to that the fact that Chelsea has to deal with its financial loss, Mata will want to be at a club where he can get minutes in order to be at the world cup and the fact that such deal could potentially make room for Rooney in the summer. On top of all of that, we would be getting 37 million for a player that has fallen to the category of bench warmer for Chelsea.This deal makes so much sense in sooo many ways. I'm somewhat afraid to say this but,... I... hope the deal goes through.Still love you Juan, I'm sorry.But if so we will have to face a much stronger united next season that may well be up there fighting for the title. chelseathebest and zolayes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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