Stats 7,147 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 so @Stats, is also racist for liking my post?TBH. I ignored the first part of that comment as I do believe it sounded rude. I am sure you did not mean to be racist at all. Can come across as racist to others but as the mods have said don't take it any further, they are doing their jobs. But just leave it as you have been advised mate.I liked your post because of this comment: "Not every player Asian player in Europe isn't the second coming of christ" which made me laugh and I also seem to think he overrates a lot of them. Like Ki for example NiclasCFC and Bir_CFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 TBH. I ignored the first part of that comment as I do believe it sounded rude. I am sure you did not mean to be racist at all. Can come across as racist to others but as the mods have said don't take it any further, they are doing their jobs. But just leave it as you have been advised mate. II liked your post because of this comment: "Not every player Asian player in Europe isn't the second coming of christ" which made me laugh and I also seem to think he overrates a lot of them. Like Ki for example I like how its a lot of them.When I mentioned 2.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I like how its a lot of them.When I mentioned 2....You have praised Ji Dong Won on many occasions, who is a terrible striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ki is quality, he would absolutely be a decent player for Chelsea. Technically he is very, very good. Rambo, The Rising Sun and Madmax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 How long has Mata been there? 6 months or so? By the end of this season or even Christmas we will see whose stats look better ok? Deal? Yea, just likw reus was on dortmund when they won the titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 TBH. I ignored the first part of that comment as I do believe it sounded rude. I am sure you did not mean to be racist at all. Can come across as racist to others but as the mods have said don't take it any further, they are doing their jobs. But just leave it as you have been advised mate.I liked your post because of this comment: "Not every player Asian player in Europe isn't the second coming of christ" which made me laugh and I also seem to think he overrates a lot of them. Like Ki for example Sorry for mentioning you, I just cant understand how what I said can be racist. Anyway lets just all move on and forget all about this mess... Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo 1,729 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ki is quality, he would absolutely be a decent player for Chelsea. Technically he is very, very good. Agreed. His race is irrelevant. Madmax and Styles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 You have praised Ji Dong Won on many occasions, who is a terrible striker.Ji dong won to BVB. Last season, people laughed at the idea on the Sunderland board and thought it was korean made bs...http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25779113Ki Seung Yeung is still not getting recalled by Landrup, even though they are one game away from regulation with their whole midfield injured (along with playing their CBs as CM)..... Landrup sure does take personal grudges to full extent...I sure did praise him many times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo 1,729 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Sorry for mentioning you, I just cant understand how what I said can be racist. Anyway lets just all move on and forget all about this mess... It sounded racist because you made the assumption Korea chose Kagawa over Mata because of his nationality. By telling him to "stick to your Asian football" makes you sound ignorant and dismissive. Barbara, Spike and Madmax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Agreed. His race is irrelevant.I really don't like when someone throws the word "race" to describe a human being. Because it is the sort of thinking that brings racism - the separation of people in one group or another, this is specially stupid when every person is so similar to one another. It should be avoided - especially the usage of the word race, on account of every barbaric thing that has been done in the name of superiority of one "race" upon another.In Brazil people will usually try to avoid categorizing others by race nowadays. The term ethnicity or similar would be more palatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Really annoyed how some of you take topics off course when told to crack on.After this there is no tolerance, warnings happen now get back to Mata please. Chelsea? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,147 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ki is quality, he would absolutely be a decent player for Chelsea. Technically he is very, very good.He is a good player for mid-table teams but teams like us where we compete for major honours, no thanks but anyway back to Mata, I think he is going to silence some people this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 It sounded racist because you made the assumption Korea chose Kagawa over Mata because of his nationality. By telling him to "stick to your Asian football" makes you sound ignorant and dismissive.That was certainly not my intention, sorry if it came out like that. now as Special Juan said, lets drop it and move on. Stats and Special Juan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 4 pages of alleged racism...in a player thread. RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 It's funny how some Manu fans only now realize that Mata is not as pacy as Ronaldo and Messi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 man i miss this guy so much such a fucking lad, wish he was still here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
different level 1,056 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 It's really shocking and disrespectful towards Mata to compare that useless piece of trash Kagawa with him.That's the guy who couldn't get in United's first team for two years. I'm surprised he's still there. I think someone bragged about his stats when he was in Dortmund. Well do you know how many goals he scored last season with 30 app in all competitions? I know you can check by yourself, but I'll help you - 0.Also if people insist on the importance of Kagawa's time at Dortmund for the argument, I might try to make a Torres vs RVP comparison based on that logic so you see how ridiculous this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 It's really shocking and disrespectful towards Mata to compare that useless piece of trash Kagawa with him.That's the guy who couldn't get in United's first team for two years. I'm surprised he's still there. I think someone bragged about his stats when he was in Dortmund. Well do you know how many goals he scored last season with 30 app in all competitions? I know you can check by yourself, but I'll help you - 0.Also if people insist on the importance of Kagawa's time at Dortmund for the argument, I might try to make a Torres vs RVP comparison based on that logic so you see how ridiculous this is.We are officially scousers... RoyalBlues and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
different level 1,056 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 We are officially scousers...I was already pissed off before reading the posts here and you're not really helping my case with your moronic statement. If you want to be a scouser then go on and have fun with that...Don't quote my post if you have nothing to say. 1chelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! hjperdeath 2,226 Posted August 17, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted August 17, 2014 I was already pissed off before reading the posts here and you're not really helping my case with your moronic statement. If you want to be a scouser then go on and have fun with that...Don't quote my post if you have nothing to say.You read the post. But you didn't understand it. You are way too angry on seeing the first statement, and that has shrouded your judgement.No one here has claimed that Kagawa is miles better than Mata, while the opposite has been done. In rebuttal it was put forward that Kagawa is quite good at things Mata can't do, while Mata is quite good at things Kagawa can't do. The most extreme comment you can find is that someone stated Kagawa was a more well rounded player. Atleast in Chelsea's perspective, that could be true.The Torres comparison made me cringe though, and someone made that point before. I really don't get it. Torres is past it, his injuries made him lose the attributes he depended most on. He's past it. Put him in any system, he can't score. The man is over both physically and psychologically. Kagawa on the other hand has been mishandled. It's obvious to see.At Dortmund he had positional freedom, something Chelsea's front three have. Their gegenpressing system meant that he would have to work really hard in dropping back and initiation counter-attacks. I would even go on to same that at the time, he was one of the best pressers in the team. No one came close to how hard he worked. I obviously didn't watch Dortmund anymore after he left ( which was pretty bad on my part), but Reus probably ended up as the next best presser. Getting the similarity now? This is what I believe lead the person to claim that he was a more well rounded player. With Chelsea's perspective in mind. At United he's given freedom to drop into the penalty box, something Rooney excels at. He's never going to be good at it. Fergie and Moyes then tried to play him on the left, but didn't give him the freedom to drop inside. This made him suffer. That does not make him shit as a player.Mata at Chelsea was given all the freedom in the world, and he excelled while Chelsea tactically did suffer. But he's so good of a player that no one needs to notice it. You're still awed by what he's pulled off. But when Mourinho came along and demanded that the players pick up extra tactical duties which included always working hard, he suffered. Against Swansea yesterday, he was responsible for letting go off Ki, who went on to score. These are huge flaws. But that does not make him shit as a player.The fact is no one has claimed that Mata is utter shit. He's not. There are things he can do that many attacking midfielders can't dream off, but he fits a system. Only that system. The same goes for Kagawa. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't seen him being used by Klopp, than you wouldn't have been saying that, because that is pretty disrespectful. At United, in the wrong system, he's sadly a shirt seller. At Dortmund, and in the right kind of system, he isn't.I'm not using the past to support him. Past is the past, its over. You can't judge a player now cause of it. Drogba isn't even close to what he was at his prime. But Kagawa's situation is complex. Just like Miroslav 'I can only perform with Germany and not with my club' Klose is complex. The only place to be, Rambo, CHOULO19 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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