Milan 17,957 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 So have we found a new Lampard, in terms of a midfielder scoring 20+ a season? Looks definitely promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 He has completed the season with 20 goals and 30 assists in all competitions. Brilliant! Rmpr and Bir_CFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I have feeling Mata wont have too great relation with Mou...for some reason he loves attacking football and have free role and work under attacking minded/spanish manager, while Mou is counter specialist. Can Mou ever try more offensive football here? Because in counter football, Mata wont be half as good in big games in open play (like vs Barca or Bayern last year). Mourinho always worked well with 'old school' players (Chelsea, Inter) while Modern players arent to his like realy (Real Madrid) so we will see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I have feeling Mata wont have too great relation with Mou...for some reason he loves attacking football and have free role and work under attacking minded/spanish manager, while Mou is counter specialist. Can Mou ever try more offensive football here? Because in counter football, Mata wont be half as good in big games in open play (like vs Barca or Bayern last year). Mourinho always worked well with 'old school' players (Chelsea, Inter) while Modern players arent to his like realy (Real Madrid) so we will see...Mesut Özil hasn't done too badly at Real Madrid in a similar role Mata would have, now has he?Probably even more assists than Mata has had for Chelsea and the only reason he doesn't have as much goals is because he can't finish for shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Mesut Özil hasn't done too badly at Real Madrid in a similar role Mata would have, now has he?Probably even more assists than Mata has had for Chelsea and the only reason he doesn't have as much goals is because he can't finish for shit.But thing is Madrid had all to play 4:2:3:1. Our whole team bar Mata would fit more in 4:3:3..if Mou will want to play 4:3:3, Mata is first to be dissapointed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Amblève. 4,995 Posted May 19, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted May 19, 2013 I simply love how our supporters make out problems that don't even exist. yuvala, Mceachran, francozola and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 But thing is Madrid had all to play 4:2:3:1. Our whole team bar Mata would fit more in 4:3:3..if Mou will want to play 4:3:3, Mata is first to be dissapointed...Sure, hard to disagree with you there. Other than Mata our squad would be perfect for 4-3-3 with one or two new signings and the recalling of Kevin De Bruyne. A new defensive midfielder to play deep with Lampard, Ramires, Oscar, De Bruyne and a possible new signing as well as maybe Essien for options at the two CM positions would be a great midfield with a variety of different kind of players to choose from. I'm pretty sure Mourinho would be inclined to at least try the good old 4-3-3 with this squad but that would force Mata out wide. Maybe Juan's not as decisive out wide as he is in a central role but if that's for the good of the team I get the feeling Mata wouldn't mind that much, being such a nice guy and all. Also, he started as a winger so he couldn't hate playing there that much, now could he?CF Hazard Mata KdB OscarDM Cole Luiz Ivanovic AzpiCech Could work with Mata and Hazard interchanging and occasionally coming deeper so Oscar and KdB could get furher up? On paper that looks great if the CF and DM were good enough. Dion, kellzfresh and mediator 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramzi 233 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Sure, hard to disagree with you there. Other than Mata our squad would be perfect for 4-3-3 with one or two new signings and the recalling of Kevin De Bruyne. A new defensive midfielder to play deep with Lampard, Ramires, Oscar, De Bruyne and a possible new signing as well as maybe Essien for options at the two CM positions would be a great midfield with a variety of different kind of players to choose from. I'm pretty sure Mourinho would be inclined to at least try the good old 4-3-3 with this squad but that would force Mata out wide. Maybe Juan's not as decisive out wide as he is in a central role but if that's for the good of the team I get the feeling Mata wouldn't mind that much, being such a nice guy and all. Also, he started as a winger so he couldn't hate playing there that much, now could he?CF Hazard Mata KdB OscarDM Cole Luiz Ivanovic AzpiCech Could work with Mata and Hazard interchanging and occasionally coming deeper so Oscar and KdB could get furher up? On paper that looks great if the CF and DM were good enough. Imagine Drogba in his prime along with Khedira as DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jype 6,398 Posted May 19, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted May 19, 2013 Imagine Drogba in his prime along with Khedira as DM I don't need to imagine that when I've seen Drogba in his prime with Makelele as DM. Ramzi, kellzfresh, Pascal Newton and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Sure, hard to disagree with you there. Other than Mata our squad would be perfect for 4-3-3 with one or two new signings and the recalling of Kevin De Bruyne. A new defensive midfielder to play deep with Lampard, Ramires, Oscar, De Bruyne and a possible new signing as well as maybe Essien for options at the two CM positions would be a great midfield with a variety of different kind of players to choose from. I'm pretty sure Mourinho would be inclined to at least try the good old 4-3-3 with this squad but that would force Mata out wide. Maybe Juan's not as decisive out wide as he is in a central role but if that's for the good of the team I get the feeling Mata wouldn't mind that much, being such a nice guy and all. Also, he started as a winger so he couldn't hate playing there that much, now could he?CF Hazard Mata KdB OscarDM Cole Luiz Ivanovic AzpiCech Could work with Mata and Hazard interchanging and occasionally coming deeper so Oscar and KdB could get furher up? On paper that looks great if the CF and DM were good enough. I really like that team. Jype 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 20, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted May 20, 2013 I have feeling Mata wont have too great relation with Mou...for some reason he loves attacking football and have free role and work under attacking minded/spanish manager, while Mou is counter specialist. Can Mou ever try more offensive football here? Because in counter football, Mata wont be half as good in big games in open play (like vs Barca or Bayern last year). Mourinho always worked well with 'old school' players (Chelsea, Inter) while Modern players arent to his like realy (Real Madrid) so we will see...Pfft.Deco, Sneijder and Ozil say hi. Jype, Despiadado.Maleante, TopDrog and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal Newton 33 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I don't need to imagine that when I've seen Drogba in his prime with Makelele as DM. Brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 But thing is Madrid had all to play 4:2:3:1. Our whole team bar Mata would fit more in 4:3:3..if Mou will want to play 4:3:3, Mata is first to be dissapointed...As if we can't get 1-2 players in key areas and play 4-2-3-1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Shocked with some of the comment. If you watch our game this season most of our chances are created when mata and hazard combine with reach other. They have terrific understanding , why do we want to break that up by moving them to different wings is beyond me. In term of mou moving 433, mou played 4231 wit inter and 4231 with RM. It is the player that dictate the formation and since clearly our team is built around mata and hazard 4231 is probably the way to go jeronimo and Sheva. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 mata and hazard are our gotze and reus in terms of their understanding with each other. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott 2,732 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Sure, hard to disagree with you there. Other than Mata our squad would be perfect for 4-3-3 with one or two new signings and the recalling of Kevin De Bruyne. A new defensive midfielder to play deep with Lampard, Ramires, Oscar, De Bruyne and a possible new signing as well as maybe Essien for options at the two CM positions would be a great midfield with a variety of different kind of players to choose from. I'm pretty sure Mourinho would be inclined to at least try the good old 4-3-3 with this squad but that would force Mata out wide. Maybe Juan's not as decisive out wide as he is in a central role but if that's for the good of the team I get the feeling Mata wouldn't mind that much, being such a nice guy and all. Also, he started as a winger so he couldn't hate playing there that much, now could he?CF Hazard Mata KdB OscarDM Cole Luiz Ivanovic AzpiCech Could work with Mata and Hazard interchanging and occasionally coming deeper so Oscar and KdB could get furher up? On paper that looks great if the CF and DM were good enough. Oh lawd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mceachran 109 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Remember that if you "put mata on the right wing", he really just slides into a central position letting Azpi go up and down the right flank. It doesn't matter. As I said in another thread. One does not simply give mata a position, he gets to go wherever the fu%# he wants and we all enjoy GhanaBoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustafa 885 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Not sure if someone already posted this but ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBpohjHmveI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Remember that if you "put mata on the right wing", he really just slides into a central position letting Azpi go up and down the right flank. It doesn't matter. As I said in another thread. One does not simply give mata a position, he gets to go wherever the fu%# he wants and we all enjoy The problem isn't so much about playing Mata out wide, though he's less effective there IMO, but more so on the defensive of things. Playing Mata on the flanks, especially on the RW, would mean he's always likely gonna come inside onto his left foot. Now, while that may look exciting with Azpi or Ivanovic marauding down the right side to create overlapping situations, the issue comes when the attack breaks down. Our RB may find themselves being overloaded in 2 v 1 scenarios, for example, and that could lead to us conceding some cheap goals, almost like when under RDM this season. And not to mention, there is more emphasis these days for full backs to go forward.Moreover, Mata doesn't have the pace and energy levels to be playing out wide as players playing there would usually have to bomb up and down the flanks all game long. And if Mata plays there, he's gonna be absolutely knackered by the end of every game. The best position for him really is where he's playing right now, as a CAM behind the ST. He connects our midfield and attack brilliantly and that role would also allow him more freedom to roam around on the pitch and create chances for others without necessarily worrying too much on the defensive aspects with two midfielders behind him. This is certainly better than sticking him out wide where he would have a bigger defensive duty and also the pressure to create chances from out wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhanaBoy 104 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 The problem isn't so much about playing Mata out wide, though he's less effective there IMO, but more so on the defensive of things. Playing Mata on the flanks, especially on the RW, would mean he's always likely gonna come inside onto his left foot. Now, while that may look exciting with Azpi or Ivanovic marauding down the right side to create overlapping situations, the issue comes when the attack breaks down. Our RB may find themselves being overloaded in 2 v 1 scenarios, for example, and that could lead to us conceding some cheap goals, almost like when under RDM this season. And not to mention, there is more emphasis these days for full backs to go forward.Moreover, Mata doesn't have the pace and energy levels to be playing out wide as players playing there would usually have to bomb up and down the flanks all game long. And if Mata plays there, he's gonna be absolutely knackered by the end of every game. The best position for him really is where he's playing right now, as a CAM behind the ST. He connects our midfield and attack brilliantly and that role would also allow him more freedom to roam around on the pitch and create chances for others without necessarily worrying too much on the defensive aspects with two midfielders behind him. This is certainly better than sticking him out wide where he would have a bigger defensive duty and also the pressure to create chances from out wide.not really essentially you are saying our squad that is built for a 4-3-3 is being held back by mata. In that case mata must improve his deffensive game or simply be a bench player. Every component of our team is built for a 4-3-3 but if the use of our entire squad is solely dependent on one player he better be messi. unfortunately mata is no messi and if the likes of hazard and oscar can put a shift in he must as well or someone will come in to replace him. fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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