Romelu Lukaku

[The only place to be 11,313]

Oh, you knew Romelu personally then?

Or I guess you've worked closely to him?

Please share some more information regarding this.

And you're basing your opinion on what? What's on the Swedish grapevine?

HAHAH.

Yeah, because everything Mourinho says in an interview is "true".

And you know Mourinho is lying?

How about the transfer request Lukaku made last season? Any views on that kid?

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Never mind that our manager came out and pretty much said exactly the same thing right...

Even Lukaku said almost the same. But some people continue to blame everyone except Romelu.

[The Skipper 20,593]

HAHAH.

Yeah, because everything Mourinho says in an interview is "true".

Wake up kid.

It couldnt have anything to do with.

"We have Costa, Drogba is back and we cannot get rid of Torres so we cant fit Lukaku in our team. Its not fair to him to be the 3rd choice.. We also got a good bid for him".

You wake up. It's not even something new that's been discussed, people have been saying this for a long time, Jose pretty much came out and confirmed it. It's a fact that Lukaku would rather be undisputed number 1 striker at Everton than fight for his place at CFC. Why would Jose lie about something like that? If Jose was lying about something like that surely Lukaku would come out and state that what Mourinho said was wrong, since he does like to talk?

How have you even concluded that Lukaku would be 3rd choice behind Drogba? Who's the one guessing and making assumptions now?

[The Skipper 20,593]

Even Lukaku said almost the same. But some people continue to blame everyone except Romelu.

Lukaku has been basically saying the same thing for a long time now, but people will dismiss hard quotes from him and Jose as "shitty rumours". It's hilarious.

[ParNolio7 285]

And last season when he made a transfer request?

Yes, I know this is key in the whole Lukaku saga.

But I just don't believe it actually went the way it was put in the media by Mourinho.

I know I said this multiple times before, but I just can't believe that a world class manager like Mourinho would allow a player to go out on loan if he had any significant plans with him. If he did, Mourinho would be absolutely incompetent, and that can't be true.

So I think Mourinho was honest to Lukaku, told him that he wouldn't get a lot of opportunities and Lukaku put in the loan request. Then Mourinho said to the media that Lukaku dediced not to fight for a spot in the team and preferred a loan. It's actually not even lying, but just twisting the words in a manner that makes Mourinho looks good (cause he was willing to give the boy a chance) and Lukaku bad (he didn't want to take the chance). But no way in hell I believe Mourinho's version. Except from a winner and a brilliant coach he's also been a big manipulator throughout his career, so I won't give him the benefit of the doubt.

That's my theory, that's why I still stand by Lukaku. Or at least have respect for him. Benefit of the doubt.

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Yes, I know this is key in the whole Lukaku saga.

But I just don't believe it actually went the way it was put in the media by Mourinho.

I know I said this multiple times before, but I just can't believe that a world class manager like Mourinho would allow a player to go out on loan if he had any significant plans with him. If he did, Mourinho would be absolutely incompetent, and that can't be true.

So I think Mourinho was honest to Lukaku, told him that he wouldn't get a lot of opportunities and Lukaku put in the loan request. Then Mourinho said to the media that Lukaku dediced not to fight for a spot in the team and preferred a loan. It's actually not even lying, but just twisting the words in a manner that makes Mourinho looks good (cause he was willing to give the boy a chance) and Lukaku bad (he didn't want to take the chance). But no way in hell I believe Mourinho's version. Except from a winner and a brilliant coach he's also been a big manipulator throughout his career, so I won't give him the benefit of the doubt.

That's my theory, that's why I still stand by Lukaku. Or at least have respect for him. Benefit of the doubt.

Except Mourinho DID use Lukaku. In 3 of the first 4 matches he got gametime.

Azpilicueta on the other hand didn't get any significant minutes until September. That's because he has an exemplary attitude and Lukaku doesn't.

You can believe your version of events but I know for a fact it's false.

[ParNolio7 285]

And you know Mourinho is lying?

No, but we should at least be allowed to question his words from time to time. Mourinho has a bad reputation for this so it's not without reason. If you're going to blindly believe every single word Mou says you will end up getting cheated a lot.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Now Mourinho is lying and is twisting the words and the situation - even though people have their own eyes and thoughts and were pretty much saying exactly what Mourinho was saying for weeks before he came out and said it; and Lukaku has done nothing wrong at all apparently. Incredible what Lukaku apologists will say to protect their little, angelic boy, really is.

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Who speaks the truth? Manager or player? We don't know.

Most of the times the truth is somewhere in the middle.

All of this doesn't really matter anymore I think.

He's gone, he's happy, and we are happy... let's all be happy

Let's focus on the present and the ones who are still here... Torres for example

[ParNolio7 285]

Azpilicueta on the other hand didn't get any significant minutes until September. That's because he has an exemplary attitude and Lukaku doesn't.

Yes, I know by now Azpi is God and Lukaku is Satan, but it's not all black & white. It turned out good for Azpi. He took his chance, showed great spirit, and so on, deserves every credit he gets. But you don't know (none of us does) if the circumstances where the same: you do not know if Mou said the same things to him as to Lukaku, you don't know if Azpi actually had any teams interested to sign him on loan. Just maybe Azpi didn't have another choice but to sit at Chelsea's bench until maybe one day he'd get a chance. Striker like Romelu who scored 15 goals in the previous season at WBA was Always going to have a lot of teams pulling for him. Different situation.

[DJames 729]

Whilst you can spin it regarding what the youth may think or look towards, it's also a lesson to them to knuckle down and do your talking on the pitch and at any given moment be prepared to fight for what your aspire to be.

They could....but seriously which youth player got much a serious chance recently. You could probably argue Courtois but who else. Yeah Ake got some games but most are on perpetual loans without much of a shot at breaking into the first team. One can argue that is because of their skill set. Sturridge had enough but still wasn't given a fair run and the same will be said of Lukaku. Did they have the drive to fight? Probably not enough and it's probably because their chances seemed bleak to them so they moved on to where they would got chances.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Sturridge had enough but still wasn't given a fair run and the same will be said of Lukaku.

It really isn't the same. Sturridge definitely wasn't given a fair run, especially considering he was definitely the striker behind Torres for 6 months and barely got any game time even though Torres was flopping. Same can't be said about Romelu... Romelu ran away without even trying to fight. Sturridge tried his best but was held back by the ridiculous Torres situation.

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Now Mourinho is lying and is twisting the words and the situation - even though people have their own eyes and thoughts and were pretty much saying exactly what Mourinho was saying for weeks before he came out and said it; and Lukaku has done nothing wrong at all apparently. Incredible what Lukaku apologists will say to protect their little, angelic boy, really is.

Yeah, cause Mourinho never does that kind of thing right?

Too bad it's not Robben, would like to've seen your defence then.

Of course people were talking like that about Lukaku before Mou "confirmed it" (as you call it), his reputation was already dead last year when "he wasn't willing to fight for a spot and put in a loan request" (again according to Mourinho).

Never forget that your vision on any player (Lukaku or other) is entirely formed by what has appeared in the media. And media for a fact (you guys like to use this word "fact") are not trustworthy.

So since I was not there in the dressing room or whereever Romelu and Mourinho had there supposed talks, I am giving Big Rom benefit of the doubt.

Because as I said a teenager who fights his way into EPL cannot have a loser attitude imo. Just doesn't make sense.

[DJames 729]

It really isn't the same. Sturridge definitely wasn't given a fair run, especially considering he was definitely the striker behind Torres for 6 months and barely got any game time even though Torres was flopping. Same can't be said about Romelu... Romelu ran away without even trying to fight. Sturridge tried his best but was held back by the ridiculous Torres situation.

Why fight for something that's not going to happen? Sturridge fought against Torres who isn't considered by many to be a good striker anymore. What would Lukaku do against the likes of Costa, Drogba and Torres! Of course he would "run away" to a place where he is almost guaranteed to be picked.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Yeah, cause Mourinho never does that kind of thing right?

Too bad it's not Robben, would like to've seen your defence then.

Of course people were talking like that about Lukaku before Mou "confirmed it" (as you call it), his reputation was already dead last year when "he wasn't willing to fight for a spot and put in a loan request" (again according to Mourinho).

Never forget that your vision on any player (Lukaku or other) is entirely formed by what has appeared in the media. And media for a fact (you guys like to use this word "fact") are not trustworthy.

So since I was not there in the dressing room or whereever Romelu and Mourinho had there supposed talks, I am giving Big Rom benefit of the doubt.

Because as I said a teenager who fights his way into EPL cannot have a loser attitude imo. Just doesn't make sense.

I'm not even mad about Romelu asking for a loan, if you go back to this thread you'll see I actually supported his request, I saw why he wanted to go out on loan, so whatever you're saying in that regards is null and void. It's all the other stuff that he's been saying and doing in the build up to this season.

If Robben did the same thing I'd be saying the same thing. Actually, I blasted Robben for wanting to leave CFC when he was here to begin with. I call it how I see it, regardless of nationality. Interesting to see that your defence on Lukaku is based on the fact that he's Belgian though. Means you wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt if he wasn't right?

[The Skipper 20,593]

Why fight for something that's not going to happen? Sturridge fought against Torres who isn't considered by many to be a good striker anymore. What would Lukaku do against the likes of Costa, Drogba and Torres! Of course he would "run away" to a place where he is almost guaranteed to be picked.

That's not true, because Lukaku played in the 3 out of 4 matches that he was here for before he went out on loan. So, if we're basing it on that, which is far more relevant than basing it on the Torres/Sturridge situation; because as I said, that was different - RDM didn't have the power that Jose had and the board obviously forced RDM to play Torres at all costs - something that Mourinho wasn't required to do; you can see that he actually had a decent chance (much better than Sturridge did anyway) to break through here last season and play a significant role.

That's why I say you can't compare the Sturridge and Lukaku situation and use that as a pointer that Lukaku wouldn't have got game time here under Mourinho; because based out of the small sample we did get to witness - he actually did.

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It is still unreal we have sold him for 28 millions. Someone pinch me please.

[Special Juan 27,439]

Someone pinch me please.

That's what we are all hoping of Torres