Thibaut Courtois

[bushman 2,043]

Chelsea saw Courtois as a big talent a couple of years ago who would still need development. The problem is, that he is developping faster then most of us expected. The first signs already came in early as on 29/12/2011 he claimed he jumped 30cm higher and he is very stress ressistant : ( http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/voetbal/buitenland/Engeland/1.1185969 ) .

From 2011 until today he has won team and individual prices and became the nr of Belgium being in competition with Mignolet. (1x Europa League, 1x Copa Del Rey , 1x Super Cup, 1x Zamora ). Last year, Atletico was third in the spanish league, the highest position since 1994-1995 (I did not look up extra data).

Pretty strong credentials to make him number 1. Unless you have Cech. Who has won from 2011 1x Europa League, 1x FA, 1x Champions League, ...

I would opt for another year (or 2) of Cech as he is still at his prime, has the confidence of José, supporters, .. . But then of course, what to do with courtois? This should be his last year at Atletico, they are gunning for the championship, playing well in CL, so to perform even better next year would be a half miracle. Apart from the league games against Barcelona and Madrid, there are not enough challengers in the Spanish division.

My first solution that comes in mind (might not be the best one), is to loan him to Everton. They should end up playing european football and could use reinforcement at the GK position.

Excuse me, but why should he go Everton if he can play for much better teams ?

Would you drive Lada if you can afford BMW ?

[Cech's helmet 220]

Any decent/agile goalkeeper is going to look WORLD class playing in La Liga. the hardest place to be a goalie is the premier league. De Gea looked world class with Atletico too because goalkeepers in La liga don't have have to deal with long balls/crosses as much as in premier league games. Van der saar was absolutely phenomenal in his late 30's with Utd, actually he started being world class in his 30's. Cech is 31 and this is when keepers really start to peek. look at Shay given/ Friedel. they were all amazing in their 30's.

Courtois came in the wrong time imo. it sucks but why change something that's not broken?

[Joris 0]

Good question. Looking strictly from a development point of view: "where can he get better" and thus be a better GK at chelsea, playing at a top team might not always be the best choice. based on the statistics from http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3853/Stages/7794/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2013-2014 one will see that at manchester, chelsea or tottenham he would have about 8 shots conceded / game. Where as Everton has about 11.

In short: better team = more focus on control and attack, less work in defence

Then again, joining top teams for a loan in Europe might cause the same competition as at chelsea and we might not want to loan him to a top team:

- ENG: Man Utd (De Gea) , Man City (Hart) , Liverpool (Mignolet) , Arsenal (Szczesny - challengeable) , (Tottenham - Lloris)

- SPAIN : Barcelona ( Valdes - I don't see him go on loan to Barcelona) , Real Madrid ( Lopez - I don't see him go from atletico to real)

- GERMANY: Bayern ( Neuer), Dortmund (Weidenfeller - Challengeable)

- ITALY: Juventus (Buffon ) , AC Milan ( Abbiati - challengeable) , Napoli ( Reina - Challengeable)

I would prefer to see him play in the premier league next year to adapt to the intensity and playing style.

[bushman 2,043]

Any decent/agile goalkeeper is going to look WORLD class playing in La Liga. the hardest place to be a goalie is the premier league. De Gea looked world class with Atletico too because goalkeepers in La liga don't have have to deal with long balls/crosses as much as in premier league games. Van der saar was absolutely phenomenal in his late 30's with Utd, actually he started being world class in his 30's. Cech is 31 and this is when keepers really start to peek. look at Shay given/ Friedel. they were all amazing in their 30's.

Courtois came in the wrong time imo. it sucks but why change something that's not broken?

Sometimes, cracks might be seen & they need to be welded.

[Fernando 6,585]

If Courtois wants to go to Barcelona he will go.

He just needs to let his contract run down.

He got how many years left? 2 right?

[The only place to be 11,313]

Any decent/agile goalkeeper is going to look WORLD class playing in La Liga. the hardest place to be a goalie is the premier league. De Gea looked world class with Atletico too because goalkeepers in La liga don't have have to deal with long balls/crosses as much as in premier league games. Van der saar was absolutely phenomenal in his late 30's with Utd, actually he started being world class in his 30's. Cech is 31 and this is when keepers really start to peek. look at Shay given/ Friedel. they were all amazing in their 30's.

Courtois came in the wrong time imo. it sucks but why change something that's not broken?

So you wait until something is broken and then hope there's a replacement at hand?

Isn't it better to replace something before the cracks start to show?

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Any decent/agile goalkeeper is going to look WORLD class playing in La Liga. the hardest place to be a goalie is the premier league. De Gea looked world class with Atletico too because goalkeepers in La liga don't have have to deal with long balls/crosses as much as in premier league games. Van der saar was absolutely phenomenal in his late 30's with Utd, actually he started being world class in his 30's. Cech is 31 and this is when keepers really start to peek. look at Shay given/ Friedel. they were all amazing in their 30's.

Courtois came in the wrong time imo. it sucks but why change something that's not broken?

I don't think the PL is particularly harder for Goalkeepers than the Spanish League, which is very focused on attack in general. Quality will always come through, although certain events might damage a player's confidence. Maybe that's what happened to De Gea.

Courtois was already phenomenal at Genk (he saved their title multiple times in the last match against Standard Liege) and got better every year. I think in 15 years, we'll put him above even the likes of Michel Preud'homme and Jean Marie Pfaff. Both considered one of the world's best keepers in their prime.

[bushman 2,043]

If Courtois wants to go to Barcelona he will go.

He just needs to let his contract run down.

He got how many years left? 2 right?

He does not need to wait for his contract to run down. He simply asks for a transfer.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

He does not need to wait for his contract to run down. He simply asks for a transfer.

Naivity at its best...He asks for a transfer, we decline him a transfer...Now what?

[bushman 2,043]

Naivity at its best...He asks for a transfer, we decline him a transfer...Now what?

Had Rooney asked for one, he could be playing for Chelsea now.

Now, think about it, but do not be naive.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Naivity at its best...He asks for a transfer, we decline him a transfer...Now what?

Then he'll sulk on the Chelsea bench for a year, loses his value and would still leave.

See Rooney above. Keeping an unhappy player is never a good idea.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Had Rooney asked for one, he could be playing for Chelsea now.

Now, think about it, but do not be naive.

You are right that nowadays players have the power, but not so much the younger ones. Because there are too many unknowns about them. Imagine a problem like Fletcher had, which absolutely destroyed his career. Or not so drastic, something like what happened to Essien, the so common knee injuries. These type of things could really lower the ceiling of any young player since they really can't afford to lose years of development time, not to mention the long-term physical and mental consequences of such injuries/problems. Again, not to mention that some of these youngster are pretty much playing at their peak, so what you see is as good as it's going to get.

I believe Courtois still has 3 years left (until 2016) on his contract, so Chelsea could really hurt his development if he does not play nice. Malouda is a good example, at the other end of the (age) spectrum: he was unflushable, and Chelsea said fine, we don't care, but we won't waste time with you.

The best case scenario is that he returns to the club come next season and play rotation with Cech, learning as much as possible from Cech. Then, in the following season, Chelsea should - amicably - allow Cech to move and make his retirement money (bonuses and all). This is still a very possible outcome.

BTW, goalkeeper aren't valued that highly, even the very promising ones. The deals just involve a lot less money.

[bushman 2,043]

You are right that nowadays players have the power, but not so much the younger ones. Because there are too many unknowns about them. Imagine a problem like Fletcher had, which absolutely destroyed his career. Or not so drastic, something like what happened to Essien, the so common knee injuries. These type of things could really lower the ceiling of any young player since they really can't afford to lose years of development time, not to mention the long-term physical and mental consequences of such injuries/problems. Again, not to mention that some of these youngster are pretty much playing at their peak, so what you see is as good as it's going to get.

I believe Courtois still has 3 years left (until 2016) on his contract, so Chelsea could really hurt his development if he does not play nice. Malouda is a good example, at the other end of the (age) spectrum: he was unflushable, and Chelsea said fine, we don't care, but we won't waste time with you.

The best case scenario is that he returns to the club come next season and play rotation with Cech, learning as much as possible from Cech. Then, in the following season, Chelsea should - amicably - allow Cech to move and make his retirement money (bonuses and all). This is still a very possible outcome.

BTW, goalkeeper aren't valued that highly, even the very promising ones. The deals just involve a lot less money.

Courtois may have a couple of options. One he asks to be moved, Chelsea refuse & he runs down his contract, playing on loan, somewhere. Chelsea gets dick for him.

Secondly, Chelsea are smart & sell him, money returned.

Only a dimwit cannot see it.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Courtois may have a couple of options. One he asks to be moved, Chelsea refuse & he runs down his contract, playing on loan, somewhere. Chelsea gets dick for him.

Secondly, Chelsea are smart & sell him, money returned.

Only a dimwit cannot see it.

no! Chelsea refuses and don't let him go on loan... very common situation when a club wants to hurt a player.

Money from goalkeeper sale isn't that big of a deal spec one with only 2-3 years left of contract. And it's not like Chelsea need money...

You are missing the point that things don't happen in a vacuum. What they did with malouda for example sometimes is done to show other players that the club still have some power and can hurt someone's career. It's all part of negotiations, and sometimes the club needs to be tough or be walked over.

[bushman 2,043]

no! Chelsea refuses and don't let him go on loan... very common situation when a club wants to hurt a player.

Money from goalkeeper sale isn't that big of a deal spec one with only 2-3 years left of contract. And it's not like Chelsea need money...

You are missing the point that things don't happen in a vacuum. What they did with malouda for example sometimes is done to show other players that the club still have some power and can hurt someone's career. It's all part of negotiations, and sometimes the club needs to be tough or be walked over.

Chelsea cannot & won´t let him sit on the bench. The team has already a bad reputation & do not need more of it.

Malouda´s situation is incomparable here.

[rohitmohanihm 39]

I read somewhere that Ter Stegen has a Verbal contrct with Barca ... praying it is true so those mob can leave us alone

[robsblubot 3,595]

Chelsea cannot & won´t let him sit on the bench. The team has already a bad reputation & do not need more of it.

Malouda´s situation is incomparable here.

what are you afraid of? You keep posting about youngsters leaving and reputation... How many 21 year old players do you see starting for the very top clubs?! Especially the goalkeeper? Atletico can afford it Chelsea would never do it.

Chelsea are starting Oscar and Hazard these days; both very young. that's pretty good as top clubs go.

Chelsea don't play many youngsters at the same time for a reason. These kids won't play for Chelsea regularly, no matter what you believe. If they leave because of that then so be it. You just can't reach the later stages of CL regularly with a team filled with youngsters.

[bushman 2,043]

what are you afraid of? You keep posting about youngsters leaving and reputation... How many 21 year old players do you see starting for the very top clubs?! Especially the goalkeeper? Atletico can afford it Chelsea would never do it.

Chelsea are starting Oscar and Hazard these days; both very young. that's pretty good as top clubs go.

Chelsea don't play many youngsters at the same time for a reason. These kids won't play for Chelsea regularly, no matter what you believe. If they leave because of that then so be it. You just can't reach the later stages of CL regularly with a team filled with youngsters.

Youngsters are good enough to play. Have you seen Lukaku, Hazard, Oscar....lately ?

Whatever, I believe it´s irrelevant.

See you, I am watching Belgium now.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Youngsters are good enough to play. Have you seen Lukaku, Hazard, Oscar....lately ?

Whatever, I believe it´s irrelevant.

See you, I am watching Belgium now.

Sure, then stop posting if you don't want to discuss...

Did you actually read teh post or just blindly quoted it while watching the match?! I did mention Oscar AND Hazard...

[bushman 2,043]

Sure, then stop posting if you don't want to discuss...

Did you actually read teh post or just blindly quoted it while watching the match?! I did mention Oscar AND Hazard...

Listen kid, don´t push it.