cfcs most wanted 657 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 All this discontent around Courtois, still I'll never in my senses play Willy, he doesn't look confident, just gives everyone around him the willies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbluewillie 1,930 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, cfcs most wanted said: All this discontent around Courtois, still I'll never in my senses play Willy, he doesn't look confident, just gives everyone around him the willies. There's nothing wrong with us Willies mate But as regards Willy I think he's a better shot stopper than Courtois, he's just not good enough decision making, charging out the box etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 hours ago, cfcs most wanted said: All this discontent around Courtois, still I'll never in my senses play Willy, he doesn't look confident, just gives everyone around him the willies. Is Courtois confident with his legs wide open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Mana said: What's the matter Courtois? Madrid's no longer interested in you anymore? So you turn around and say Chelsea's my club? Pffft, get outta here. Give me Willy please. Players flirting with other clubs is pissing me off. It's not helping our club what so ever. Loyalty works both ways, we can't shit on players who would give their lives for this club like Cahill and Willian then moan when the best players dare consider all their options. And lets be honest here, some might let nostalgia cloud this but he's not even close to saying anything as bad as what Drogba said after Jose left the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Loyalty works both ways, we can't shit on players who would give their lives for this club like Cahill and Willian then moan when the best players dare consider all their options. And lets be honest here, some might let nostalgia cloud this but he's not even close to saying anything as bad as what Drogba said after Jose left the first time. Thibo isn't even our best GK this season, so I would prefer us to cut our ties with him ahead of Cahill tbh. His name shouldn't be mentioned alongside Drogba in any form as well. Amblève. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, LAM09 said: Thibo isn't even our best GK this season, so I would prefer us to cut out ties with him ahead of Cahill tbh. His name shouldn't be mentioned alongside Drogba in any form as well. And ten years ago it was said Drogba shouldn't have been named in the same breath as JFH let alone Zola etc. Caballero has been alright if we are judging him by the standards of a number 2 but if we are judging by the standards of a number 1 he is miles away, i don't know how anyone can come to the conclusion he's been better than Courtois, it's like the goalkeeping version of when Costa had a few bad games and people started thinking Remy was better. Blue Armour, DYC. and pHaRaOn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 And ten years ago it was said Drogba shouldn't have been named in the same breath as JFH let alone Zola etc. Caballero has been alright if we are judging him by the standards of a number 2 but if we are judging by the standards of a number 1 he is miles away, i don't know how anyone can come to the conclusion he's been better than Courtois, it's like the goalkeeping version of when Costa had a few bad games and people started thinking Remy was better.Drogba hadn't achieved legend status by then. Are you trying to insinuate Thibo will be in that category at some point?I'm talking about this season alone and what both have shown. Think very few release that Willy was arguably the best GK in Spain was a number of years prior to his move to City. In addition, we don't have Hilario as our backup, & there's more to a player than what they do on the pitch. Just look at Costa for one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, LAM09 said: Drogba hadn't achieved legend status by then. Are you trying to insinuate Thibo will be in that category at some point? I'm talking about this season alone and what both have shown. Think very few release that Willy was arguably the best GK in Spain was a number of years prior to his move to City. In addition, we don't have Hilario as our backup, & there's more to a player than what they do on the pitch. Just look at Costa for one Well if we talk about the most recent game, Caballero gifted Mahrez an open goal (which he fortunately missed) and dropped a shot straight to the feet of Jamie Vardy. He causes panic from set pieces and is average in command on his area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 4:58 PM, Tomo said: Well if we talk about the most recent game, Caballero gifted Mahrez an open goal (which he fortunately missed) and dropped a shot straight to the feet of Jamie Vardy. He causes panic from set pieces and is average in command on his area. He was also alert to prevent a run from Vardy and was very unfortunate to concede late on after a few good saves. Two of our three defenders starting defenders are over 6ft, so they shouldn't be reliant on Thibo catching high balls when they can clear them. Aside from the opposition, how did Thibo do against Palace & Barcelona? He was arguably at fault for all four goals Amblève. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbluewillie 1,930 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Is Courtois confident with his legs wide open? Not as much as the local hooker manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 7 hours ago, LAM09 said: He was also alert to prevent a run from Vardy and was very unfortunate to concede late on after a few good saves. Two of our three defenders starting defenders are over 6ft, so they shouldn't be reliant on Thibo catching high balls when they can clear them. Aside from the opposition, how did Thibo do against Palace & Barcelona? He was arguably at fault for all four goals But if were going to judge Willy by the standards of a number 1, then he could have made 20 saves but that would have been irrelevant as he fucked up for Vardy's goal and gave Mahrez a gift. Courtois fucked up vs Barca i can't defend him there, but ultimately he has a track record Caballero simply hasn't got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 But if were going to judge Willy by the standards of a number 1, then he could have made 20 saves but that would have been irrelevant as he fucked up for Vardy's goal and gave Mahrez a gift. Courtois fucked up vs Barca i can't defend him there, but ultimately he has a track record Caballero simply hasn't got.You're forgetting to mention Palace, Watford as of late. I'm losing track of his supposed record at this point, as he's far from the keeper that came back from Spain.There's no point in discussing who's better or worse at aspects of the game at this point but the bottom line is, we need a new GK in the summer. Mana, the wes, Wallosh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beigl 1,387 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 8 hours ago, LAM09 said: You're forgetting to mention Palace, Watford as of late. I'm losing track of his supposed record at this point, as he's far from the keeper that came back from Spain. There's no point in discussing who's better or worse at aspects of the game at this point but the bottom line is, we need a new GK in the summer. That a little bit over the top imo, because even though he has been abysmal in 2018 he can still be a good and sometimes even a great keeper. There are many positions where we should spend some money for upgrades, but the GK position isn´t one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 That a little bit over the top imo, because even though he has been abysmal in 2018 he can still be a good and sometimes even a great keeper. There are many positions where we should spend some money for upgrades, but the GK position isn´t one of them. He's expenable at this point and no time like the present to get a good fee for him. Had ample time to sign on the dotted line but holding out for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 10:27 AM, Mana said: Give me Willy please. Each to their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mana said: Let's not forget about Roma as well. How can we forget his horrific game there? Courtois has made a lot of basic mistakes this season, to the point that now we shouldn't be surprised. We laugh at Cech, but Courtois isn't much better. I can think of at least 3 GKs in the PL better than or equal to Courtois. And he has the GALL to open his mouth about Madrid. I can no longer defend Courtois anymore until he majorly improves his game AND attitude towards the club. Are you just cherry picking games he wasn't great in? You could even do that with pre head injury Cech and you could most certainly do that with ANY current keeper. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mana said: There are some games that you can put your hand up and say “there is no way he could have saved that” or “it’s a 50/50” But Courtois has been shocking this season for a GK that’s supposed to be WC. No he hasn't. Not at his best ill give, but he's far from "shocking" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El P. 1,354 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Him and Hazard both backed off Real Madrid with displays against Barcelona, I think. I mean, they are still great players, but they just cost too much for playing like that in two big-stage games. Can't see why would Real go for Hazard and not Dybala, and for Courtois instead of Oblak, considering their performances and how much they would cost. Wallosh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, El P. said: Him and Hazard both backed off Real Madrid with displays against Barcelona, I think. I mean, they are still great players, but they just cost too much for playing like that in two big-stage games. Can't see why would Real go for Hazard and not Dybala, and for Courtois instead of Oblak, considering their performances and how much they would cost. Ronaldo's big game record at United was average (a lot worse than Eden's domestically although did better in Europe) yet it didn't stop Real signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I'm in the middle. I don't care if he goes or stay. Fine with either outcome to me....but can't let him leave for free in the next summer. robsblubot and the wes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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