Idiot 71 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I can't stand AVB for how stubborn he is. It is as if he refuses to adapt the formation/playing style when needed. It really pisses me off to see our best Striker played on the right.Our best striker has that much goals and playing time because the stubborn AVB is giving him the chance to play on the wing. Most other managers wouldn't give him this oppurtunity and as CF he wouldn't gain that much time on the pitch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Our best striker has that much goals and playing time because the stubborn AVB is giving him the chance to play on the wing. Most other managers wouldn't give him this oppurtunity and as CF he wouldn't gain that much time on the pitch...Why not? He did well at Bolton, what managers wouldn't give him a chance? Please tell me which ones wouldn't.8 Goals in 12 is very impressive for a crap lower table team. And if AVB wasn't so stubborn he could play a 4-4-2 variation that allows two CFs instead of one. Chelsea has more CFs than wingers so it would be easier to give players proper time instead of letting them rot on the wings.He plays better than every other CF Chelsea has. All he does is cut inside and shoot so naturally he is a terrible winger.Fernando misses tap ins.Drogba skies it all the time.Lukaku hasn't gotten a game.Welbeck gets lots of time at CF at Manchester United and he had an average loan last year. And they already have Berbatov and Chicharito for that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 We could go for Mata-Sturridge-Kalou. Kalou is surely better than Malouda, and Sturridge through the centre is worth the price of Kalou starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary gordon 1,777 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Once they have lost respect for him it's gone. It's not like he can lace up his boots and win there respect on the field. I think AVB has come in too strong and tried to stamp his authority on the team by showing this "take no prisoners" attitude. I think he was wrong to treat Alex and Anelka the way he did. Every player deserves a proper send off. The way he went about it was childish. I think it would have effected a lot of the players to see this.Tbh, i think only a handful of players would be on AVBs side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rising Sun 711 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 For all of the AVB Lovers.... Just have a look at Sunderland as an example.Under Steve bruce, the same bunch of players who couldnt buy a goal and struggled like second grade footballers, suddenly start playing well the moment A brilliant manager comes in, Martin O'neil.You simply cannot keep blaming the players week in week out, its also the correct preparation, motivation and leadership abilities of a manager that make draws and losses into wins.Now i cant say for certain that AVB is bad, as i dont know him, and i am not qualified to become the next Chelsea Manager, but from the look of things,1. AVB looks clueless on and off the pitch.2. I hate his press conferences and interviews. I feel like killing myself every time he speaks.... uses the same words every week....and please clean your throat FFS.3. He plays Bosingwa every week.....sign of a stubborn man, lacking intelligence.4. Plays players out of position all the freaking time.5. Substitutions are weird to say the least. The timing of them is wrong, the players substituted are questionable.6. Doesnt change formation 3 quarters into the season.7. In certain matches when players are motivated, like valencia and city, we win. I honestly feel the players were motivated on their own, rather than AVB Inspiring them. In other matches where their motivation levels are not that high, AVB does not have the abilities to motivate them.8. He is a great manager in theory, but practically he cant practice what he preaches.9. I feel he got lucky with Porto, simply because the team he inherited was very good, same as what happened in Chelsea when Avram Grant took over. Surprisingly, Real madrid or Barca or for that matter any big club didnt swoop in for him after his great season taking us to the verge of CL Victory. Our board took a gamble.10. There is no embarrassment in admitting something did not work out, as it will surely happen with Torres soon enough.11. Just because we have fired 6 managers before, does not necessarily mean the 7th manager should stay forever and have a god given right to rebuild the club. He has to Earn It.12. In the larger scheme of things, if we fire a 7th after this season ends and stick with an 8th manager for the next 6 years, that is still a victory for the football club. An established manager who is in control.13. Earlier on, the whole talk about Torres was that he needs the team of new players to play around him.... soon enough everyone realised that a 50 mill. striker should not need an investment of another 50 just to get him going.14. AVB is a manger and shouldnt need a brand new set of players to perform as a manager. He isnt managing the current crop of players well and till he doesnt show that he can manage players of all countries, ages, egos and profiles, I dont think he should get a free pass to go ahead with his project.We are so disillusioned with changing managers that we tend to overlook the obvious sometimes. This is such a moment. AVB Is struggling badly. He currently is not being able to cope, but is putting on a brave face. People have lost confidence in him this season, so now he is talking about next season's project. I also think he has lost faith in his players and so have they lost faith in him. So many losses of faith with one manager arent good.I hope AVB shows some signs that he can manage a club such as chelsea which has player egos, and board of directors that are not as cohesive as maybe they were at porto, and an owner who likes having some control and autonomy at the club along with a 100 different problems and advantages that come with a club such as Chelsea.If he doesnt manage to improve/change/modify our game for the next 15 games or so, that will be sad. If he can practice what he preaches even a tiny bit, good stuff.... We'll be happy to have you next season.He needs to be able to manage much more than just players at Chelsea and England. It is tough.MOST IMPORTANTLY, ABOVE ALL,IF AVB KEEPS PLAYING BOSINGWA EVERY WEEK, he needs to look at himself in the mirror and ask himself...." do i know what im doing?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 We should stop to comment on the treatment he gave to Anelka and Alex. Nobody knows what did happen. So unless we have somebody in the know here, we are not able to judge whether he is wrong or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 in all you're opinions you ignore a matter of an fact...if you fire 5 managers and still are underperforming despite ONE SEASON, is it really the Manager to blame?you are all redicioulus...If I was the manager I would let the reserves play to kick all the first teamers into they're face...get Lamps, Torres, Drogs, Ash, Bossy, Raul Moreorless, off the pitch and play billy clifford if you like... and jacob mellis... thats what I would do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 5. Substitutions are weird to say the least. The timing of them is wrong, the players substituted are questionable.Bringing on Ferreira for Bosingwa with 10 minutes to go when drawing at home to Fulham back on Boxing Day was the single worst substitution I have ever seen in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 7. In certain matches when players are motivated, like valencia and city, we win. I honestly feel the players were motivated on their own, rather than AVB Inspiring them. In other matches where their motivation levels are not that high, AVB does not have the abilities to motivate them.I think I really have to agree with point 7 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The blatant lack of respect the players have, not just to the manager or to the fans, but to the club, the club that pays their exorbitant wages, is sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 "This is a results industry, if a manager loses four or five games in a row, then his job is under threat," he added."At United that scenario simply isn't possible. I'm in charge of all footballing matters, including our scouting network and youth teams."In that sense I'm very fortunate, because I can make quick decisions on who to bring in next to strengthen the squad and where to get them from." -Alex FergusonUnfortunately our managers will never have this kind of control and that's why they will never stay long-term. You could consider them coaches because they only decide on tactics, match preparation, run the trainings but everything else is decided by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 -Alex FergusonUnfortunately our managers will never have this kind of control and that's why they will never stay long-term. You could consider them coaches because they only decide on tactics, match preparation, run the trainings but everything else is decided by the club.And that's why I repeat, that Mourinho left for that reason.So why would he want to come back or any great manager when the current manager you got can't get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 And that's why I repeat, that Mourinho left for that reason.So why would he want to come back or any great manager when the current manager you got can't get that?Do you think Mourinho would want to be in charge of that many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The blatant lack of respect the players have, not just to the manager or to the fans, but to the club, the club that pays their exorbitant wages, is sickening.the fans ARE the club ...or at least the heart and soul of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I can't stand AVB for how stubborn he is. It is as if he refuses to adapt the formation/playing style when needed. It really pisses me off to see our best Striker played on the right.Put Sturridge in the middle and you have no one decent for right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 9. I feel he got lucky with Porto, simply because the team he inherited was very good, same as what happened in Chelsea when Avram Grant took over. Surprisingly, Real madrid or Barca or for that matter any big club didnt swoop in for him after his great season taking us to the verge of CL Victory. Our board took a gamble.Use something you know nothing about as your argument and write it in a way that looks like you know what you are talking about. How fucking typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Put Sturridge in the middle and you have no one decent for right side.I think it will be fair to say that Torres is creating a lot of problems for us.I wonder things would have panned out,if Roman hadn't bought Torres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think it will be fair to say that Torres is creating a lot of problems for us.I wonder things would have panned out,if Roman hadn't bought Torres.He is. Some members already said that we need to cut our loses, and I think that club needs to take important decision about him in summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 He is. Some members already said that we need to cut our loses, and I think that club needs to take important decision about him in summer.We need to reduce our wage bill,168m a year is just uncanny.No wonder Hilario is still at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 And that's why I repeat, that Mourinho left for that reason.So why would he want to come back or any great manager when the current manager you got can't get that?It's like Fergie says, though, he got lucky. Guys like Fergie, Wenger, Dalglish (to an extent) are rare in football where they control most football aspects. Okay Chelsea hasn't done that, but that's not necessary the best model, as eldo said, some managers may not want that much to do in the club.Like Grant said, there's a lot off the the field that a Chelsea manager has to deal with anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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