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True but I still think 4231 isnt as good a fit as 433. When Ruben comes back he will be in midfield too and Mount will still probably be playing as a wide 10.

Well didnt people want to see him play this season? In a 433 with Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic as the 3 in MF, there is no other position for him than a wide one.

Its no coincidence we constantly concede chances and goals from corners. If it happened once or twice in the space of however many games then you could definitely say its individual mistakes but its almost every week we struggle at corners or freekicks, which screams out to me that it is down to coaching more than anything else. Also you mention facing best managers, it really means nothing because at a club like Chelsea you expect that if youve been a manager for 1 year or 10 years, so again I think that to use it as an excuse is needless. Norwich outplayed Man City for instance but doesnt mean they are better or there manager is or whatever. Results and performances are 2 different things, results and performances dont always coincide, you can perform well and lose or perform badly and win. To not have won at home yet this season so far for me is really bad. If this was Sarri then their would be huge outrage, I get Frank deserves time as hes a young manager but he wont actually get it unless we stop conceding these stupid goals, tighten up defensively as a whole unit and start winning games at home regardless of if its Liverpool or Sheffield Wednesday. This performing better than results suggest stuff is an excuse in my eyes because as a team, taking everything into account not just attacking, are we really performing that much better than last season, taking into account we cant keep clean sheets and are always very very open on transitions? Unfortunately, theres more to the game than just scoring goals or having 3 academy players in the line up. As a whole our attacking play is a bit less predictable perhaps but the defensive side of the match including our organisation at corners/freekicks is really really really worse than it was last season. Was never gonna be an easy job but we need to be realistic if the performances were good or bad, we would want to have more points and have won at home by now.

Hes provided 2 of our best chances all game.. what the fuck 🤣 for all his limitations hes hardly been bad. Not one of the boys on for us have been bad. Mason really had to score that chance and Batsuhayi could also have done better with his header. Honestly and this may sound daft but would say that we dont really deserve to win games if we keep conceding ridiculous set piece goals. You can say okay we lost to a world class goal or an unlucky decision at times but again we concede an absolute shocking goal. A fucking free header. If you cant do the basics such as defending corners/freekicks.... your always gonna be up against it. Liverpool arent a big side either in terms of being 11 giants. No Pulisic again at any point, which I think was a mistake.

Curious choice but again 2 injuries havent really helped us either. Never know though could get a chance.

Pulisic on soon please.

So I guess by that logic when we won the league under Conte that she won the league then because shes the boss and she decides? Regardless good to see someone trolling about Jorginho again further up. Pulisic is needed now as well.

Again maybe shes the boss but youve got to trust that the scouts are looking st the right players or whats the point in having them, her job isnt scout is it? She is a director or something. Shes just the person who negotiates with sponsors, the clubs of potential signings, players and agents... among other things. Well obviously again I doubt it was just purely down to her that Alonso got a new deal. Or David Luiz. Or Pedro. Or Mason Mount. Or Callum. Or whoever else.... theres obviously much more to it than people think, I doubt she sits there having a cuppa and has a brainwave deciding shes going to give Alonso a new deal. We need a technical director in 100000%.

She is not astute enough with transfers. She isnt a fucking scout, think we've mentioned this before. The idiots who identified Drinkwater, Bakayoko etc as signings we needed, need to be sacked. She maybe takes the brunt of it as she deals with other clubs to actuslly sign the players but astute enough with transfers dont make me laugh, she doesnt identify players and poor recruitment is down to the scouting network as much as Marina as well. Plus with a transfer ban, inexperienced coach and wanting to be competitive is it any surprise we didnt sell some more players? Swear some people think that buying/selling players and being involved with a football club is like FIFA on the xbox or playstation. What we need is a knowledgeable technical director to revamp the scouting network and work closely with the coaching staff.

It will be if it doesn't change. Setting up for defending from set plays is done on the training ground so constantly conceding goals from them is a reflection on him, Jody and whoever else and whatever they are trying to get across. Not playing Pulisic in any capacity v Valencia and even not starting him today also looks like a mistake for me. He has pace and geniune ability to take players out of the game in 1 v 1s.

And again though, regardless of if hes Usain Bolt or not if hes 30, 40 or 50m up the pitch hes still gonna struggle to get back in isnt he against a Salah or a Mane? Just think about it. Also even when Emerson was on that same ball beat him too (although that is a huge part of how Liverpools play regardless of opposition, CBs or holding MF playing hitting long diagonals/straight passes over the top into the channels as Salah and Mane make those runs). Also our better attacking play has come on the left hand side in the last 20 minutes which clearly justifies Frank pushing Alonso further up the pitch. Its obvious if hes further up the pitch and we lose it Tomori might be isolated or have to go out to the channel. Same with if Azpi does it on the right and we lose it. I suppose again like the other night Frank should go to the u23s n take up a 16 year old LB instead of using someone who hes had on the bench most weeks?

Perhaps but we are 2-0 down what is the point in not pushing the fullbacks on? Which will undoubtedly mean the CBs will be isolated more. Or do people just want us to have Azpi and Alonso tucked in and just let Liverpool come at us?

Playing youngsters is all good and well but if we dont stop conceding shite goals Frank and Jody will have immense pressure on them because setting up for defending set plays is a coaching aspect.

I would take your post seriously if you didnt start with that 🤣 and then hadnt plastered a video of Xavi one of the best midfield players of the last 15 years to use as a comparison.... you obviously dont watch the games or choose what you want to see. Still think its ridiculous people still think Jorginho is just a sideways passer. Hes not Scott McTominay for fuck sakes 🤣

Sincerely hope Mason is more than fit enough to play after the injury he picked up mid week so maybe need to keep an eye on it. More confident regarding Emerson and Kante being much more closer to 100% as theyve been out of the side recovering with this game in mind I would like to think.

I got what you meant and I do agree but it is a dangerous way to go too. We need to be careful with future youths in similar situations in the future.

Again though Callum played like 20 games last season. 20-25 games doesnt warrant 120k a week realistically. Weve paid him that more for potential yes but lets be honest it is a very dangerous bar to set. Mount played what like 65 games in 2 seasons out on loan and has shown extremely good returns in goals and assists. For me a good example is Rashford at United, he got a new deal a while back, now he earns like 200k a week and is maybe their 3rd or 4th top earner, maybe for what he gets jn terms of goals and assists its a bit much but he has played like 180 games for United. Weve given someone whos played 20-25 games 120k a week.... maybe he had us by the balls a bit but still, I think it is a dangerous situation, not saying hes money orientated completely, its obviously footballers will try get the best for them and their families but other youngsters will be aware of if they get 20 games maybe and do well they could perhaps ask for those sort of wages. Personally for me now, for 120k a week Callum has much more of an onus on him now to deliver, 120k a week is probably around or more than on some cases than what the likes of Willian, Alonso, Jorginho, Kovacic, Rudiger, Giroud, Pedro etc will be on that or maybe just under or in some circumstances over that. Ruben got around that wage as well I think when he renewed but hes played regularly for 2 seasons now with us and Palace. But really now yeah Callum has to come in and play well, hes had the injury, hes recovering now and is apparently close to play but when he plays he has to do what Mount or Abraham has done so far which is deliver. They and even Tomori who hasnt looked out of place at all are the benchmark right now for young guys in our squad, I think Mounts top of our stats for key passes, chances created, shots on goal touches in opposition box etc, hes fully grasped his chance as has Tammy with his goals and Callum really has to do it again as hes been out and now with that new deal.on that wage, he has to show hes worth that.

Fuck sake he looks as if hes aged about 13 years in the space of 2 seasons. He was always an ugly fucker but wow. Actually really glad him and Edens moves haven't worked out and based on Madrid in the last 18 months, probably wont for a while. Just shows that not many folk leave Chelsea in their best years and necessarily do anything spectacular afterwards. Robben, Salah and De Bruyne are the obvious exceptions that I can think of off the top of my head. Maybe Eden and Courtois will look back in a few years and go why did we leave...

About fucking time. Anyways looking forward to seeing him play in the next few games.

Did we really watch the same game? Firstly, we didnt utilize Alonso who was often the spare man on the left anywhere near enough in the first half and secondly, when we did start to, he put a few crosses in. Some didnt go past their defence some did but nobody was there. No idea what everyone expects crossing the ball in is always gonna be 50/50, 50% chance the balls good and 50% the strikers/players in the box make a run across the defenders to attack it. Azpilicueta did the same on the otherside... in fact his crossing was probably worse. Yes the young guys play with a bit of a buzz maybe but even then at times Mason, Tammy etc gave the ball away or played it too soon/too much in certain situations. Its a double ended sword, I suppose they get the benefit of the doubt (perhaps rightly so) as they are still learning but again you could say they could be more precise at times too. Willian along with Tomori was the best player on the park (Abraham, Kovacic and Jorginho also did more than enough I felt but those 2 played a lot better than everyone else) for us hands down so dont see why a penalty taking discussion is again blowing everything out of the water (will be talks of him being disruptive or a egotistic wanker next again like usual as a way to try and justify getting him out the door ASAP other than footballing ability which everyone knows he blows hot and cold, doesnt score enough goals or assist enough, isnt the best player but I am sick of hearing this attitude thing, the Conte thing was done and dusted and he definitely wasnt the only one who didnt like him, Luiz and Hazard particularly didnt in the 2nd season, was childish to do the photo thing but still ffs if we had not sacked Conte... Luiz, Willian and Hazard would have left purely for the reason he was there). As I said after the game in this thread, missing a penalty isnt why we lost the game and sooner people get that into their minds the better. Yes we could of salvaged a draw from it but we should have been more clinical when we were on top and then we concede a truely awful goal from a set piece again (which organisation from set plays is definitely down to the coaching side of it at training as well as organising it on the pitch). Also not subbing Pulisic on for Mount was almost criminal I would say. We needed raw pace and ability in 1 v 1s to open up space like Willian did. Pedros better running in behind but Valencia sat deep and didnt give us that space at times. You don't have to score or assist to play well. Yes they help but how many times have we seen players play shit but still score or assist over the years? Willians general play (okay that chance he had to pass he should have) opened up the game for us to get running at the Valencia backline. It was unfortunate Mount got injured and Pedro had to come in but in the minutes he played he didnt exactly do anything outstanding either, although he probably would of grown into the match as he looked to be getting more involved before that tackle. How many times have we seen here changing managers yielding results? Yes Barca pumped them but ffs Barcelona playing pish or not have got geniune world class players in a lot of positions. Its not relatable to here where the only true one we have was out injured. What happens in a boardroom doesnt always directly affect what happens on the pitch, Valencia have got some very good players who showed it last night. Rodrigo, Gamerio, Kondogbia, Gaya, Garay, Cillessen, Pajero, not to mention Torres and Guedes who didnt start. The game in Spain will be very very tough. Particularly because we cannot keep clean sheets to save our lives and if thats the case come that game then they will be very confident of getting a few goals at home. Regardless for all Willians faults, Id love to have seen if we didnt start or play him at all last night. He was the man who in the attacking third did the most alongside Abraham. Also on Alonso, slow or not, he was steady. Yeah thats not always enough but what do yous want Frank to do? Give Ashley Cole a fucking contract? Pull a 16 y/o from the u23s? At home v Valencia? Get real folks. If Emersons injured then thats it tough shit, he has to play what he has avaliable.

Did we watch the same game.. they barely put a foot wrong all match.... as u said at end but even Alonso in the 2 games hes played since Emerson's injury has been decent enough despite his flaws. Internal issues or not Valencia have got good players and showed good fight last night as well as being threatening on the counter. If anyone thought we would of beat then with ridiculous ease then that is extremely arrogant considering how we drew with Sheffield and Leicester.

We had plenty of chances. Defend better we arent 1-0 down. More clinical earlier in the game it isnt 0-0. People are making more out of a missed pen than they should be (still doubt it should of even been given, VAR or not, still getting used to the change, bit ridiculous if you ask me the guys hand in a bad . As I said, we had plenty of chances... The way we played, the game probably should of been won before 65th minute, althougu we are becoming a team who play well but cant kill off games. This is hugely alarming.

The penalty has nothing to do with why we lost the game. We lost because again at a set piece we were caught napping. This element hasnt been good enough under Frank and Valencia had a few good training ground drilled corners/freekicks that caught us out too often. Frank and Jody have got to get in about and sort out whatever is happening for defending set plays/corners. Normally we arent that weak from them (havent been great compared to first season under Conte I would say) but thats now a equalizer from Leicester and a winner from Valencia that have cost us in a matter of a couple of games. Plus wasn't a Wolves goal from a corner last weekend?

Were Derby this bad at defending set plays under Frank? I mean we were bad at them under Sarri but not this bad. Definitely coaching issue. Can maybe say Kepa could/should of got a hand to it but its a really clever finish hits it into the ground difficult to save.

Lets be honest Neville is a bit of a twat. Raiola works with a huge percentage of the top players in Europe. Even if you dont agree with his methods, hes worked with huge players for years and will undoubtedly continue to do so to he packs it in. Unless Neville wants United to continue spending 80m on 40m players for instance cause they are English, then I dont see what the huge fuss is. Thing is it wasnt an issue when it was other clubs negotiating with Raiola either. Yes he gets a fee out of the deals, most agents do, but players have also been known to get a percentage of their transfer fee as well due to contractual clauses. Even then look at the players he has represented over the past. How many have gotten bad moves in terms of going to smaller clubs or whatever? Or been shafted for wages? Hes obviously very good at what he does despite everything else. Its just the way modern day football is and for me, the vast sums of money for TV deals is to blame for how its gone the last 10 years more than just agents. Especially in England. Even with FFP the tv deals are given clubs a huge chance of not coming into issue with FFP. Throw in sponsorship deals because companies all want to sponsor clubs in a league where the tv rights cost what must be close to 5bn per season? Then again another byproduct of that is clubs wantinf to sell to PL teams and a huge amount of players wanting to play there and get triple the salary theyd get elsewhere etc as well.