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WHY didn't you warn the board at the time that you knew at the time that he will be worth 3 times more in a year and a half?! Us mortals with no insight into the future had absolutely no idea that this will happen, so much so that opposition fans were accusing Roman of bribing Wolfsburg under the table to pay that much for him at the time. Really, I blame this whole thing on you.... On a serious note, there is also the small issue that he would have probably not been worth this much because of the completely different circumstances of the two teams. Also that HE wanted to leave at the time. But coach decisions are not extrapolated from some imaginary place in their minds (certainly not from the future as some are trying to suggest), they are affected mainly by performances. Now compare the performances Mata and KDB last season to Willian, Schurrle and Oscar.

Hah! These are the same cunts that were calling us in the same breathe as Bayern and Madrid as the best in Europe back in November and nominated us for the quadruple and an 'invincible' season How about we talk about the 'form' of the infallible journos who sit around twisting and exaggerating to sell a headline but still act like everyone should take their opinions seriously even though it contradicts with the twisted and exaggerated opinion they expressed the week before.

Turning down an 18m offer for a fringe player who was failing to perform with the team and was asking to leave.

1) If the decisions made at least seemed the right ones at the time then we hardly "fucked it up". You can argue that it was not handled ideally now in hindsight, but certainly was not fucked up as in made a complete mess of. Also, not to get technical, but we did give him exactly 5 starts (and 4 sub appearances, but as I said before in this thread, I fault Jose for not giving him more chances off the bench). You also forget/disregard the circumstances of the squad at the time and that was that we basically had 5 players for 2 starting spots in the team and Kevin was the worst performer of those 5. Hence the other 4 had to be given more chances and starts, especially with the whole Oscar-Mata saga. 2) Well we did not 'bin' him, he asked to leave. That is what both Jose and Kevin have said. If anything, had he stayed, he would have most likely gotten significantly more playing time after we sold Mata. That was probably just bad luck because had he known that Mata was going to get sold maybe he would have stayed. Bad luck for us at least given how well he's played at Wolfsburg. 3) I am almost certain that people will moan and bash the manager if Schurrle even scores 10 goals next season. You can check the recent posts in the Luiz and Mata threads for evidence in support of that even though Luiz had 3 and half years of mixed times for us and Mata made 14 starts for us under Jose's system and was obviously not working. Interesting view regarding the Schurrle sale because to me at least it is clear that that was much worse to the team than the sale of Kevin because even with all his inconsistency, Andre could still do a job for us and provided and extra dimension off the bench while now we basically have no solid cover for the wings since Cuadrado is taking some time to settle in (which we absolutely should have foreseen). Finally, I'd just like to point out that it is okay, even for a top team, to sell a good player for the right price. I don't think we miss-evaluated how good Kevin is. Maybe he's now exceeded everyone's expectation probably even his own, but I think we had a good idea of how good Kevin can be and that was reflected in the fee. He wanted to leave, Wolfsburg made a great offer and we did not rely on him heavily in our first team, so I don't how anyone can say that it wasn't an excellent deal given all the circumstances at the time.

Year wasted for him. I get that the club wanted him to stay last season to so he would qualify as "club trained" for the CL lists. But there was no excuse to keeping him to rot this season.

Really? What was it that we did so badly that you believe we "fucked it up"? What would you have done differently? Not now when you have the gift of hindsight, but back then given the circumstances of the team and the performances of everyone at the time? And please don't say that you would not have sold him because almost literally not a single Chelsea fan was against the sale at the time for that fee.

The loudest 'stadium' I've been in is a Basketball court that barely seats a few hundred people. The small size amplifies the sound so much, you can't even hear yourself shout. PS: Speaking of shitty atmospheres, Australia just scored against Germany, the camera cut to the Australian supporters, and literally half a dozen of them were half-heartedly clapping in their seats.

@Jason will NOT be happy about this. Anton is his new celebrity crush. Joe Jonas was devastated when he found out...

I laughed too much at this. It's just that look on his face...

Apparently Anderlecht have also rejected the option to sign him for 4.5m, so he will be returning here. I have no idea where we will find him a loan next. I'm guessing France just to complete his 'European tour'

Saddest thing about it all is that bellend Rob Beasely trying to take credit for the news on Twitter as some sort of bug exclusive half a day after the news came out!

I wish Jose would learn a thing or two from him about rotation.. Under Benitez, we played something ridiculous like 69 matches iirc and actually finished the season with some of our best performances. Now, a lot of players seem burned out in mid March.

Zouma and Remy said that Azpi is the quickest in the dressing room. I think they're probably right along with Ramires and Willian.

That's the thing, though. There really aren't many top managers available. Klopp of course is the most obvious one. Benitez? Rodgers?

Well, it is Palmeri after all.... But I do believe that Carlo is as good as gone. I think even the Madrid board must realize now that their chances of winning anything is almost zero. Exact same applies to Pellegrino and City.

Unless they got permission from Real to do so.

Contacted by City according to Sky Italia and Tancredi C*nt Palmeri.

I really doubt that given that Juve paid 30m for Buffon in 2001. I reckon we'd get somewhere between 8-12m realistically.

Inevitable but still incredibly sad. Much like Petr, I don't want to think about this until the summer. I want to stay in denial a bit longer

Haha. I used to think Cahill had decent technique when he was at Bolton, certainly very good shooting technique. I dunno what happened here!

Also, remember THAT video with Harry Redknapp defending Frank? Somewhere towards someone sitting next to Harry talks about how from all the youngsters that have trained with the NT that year that Frank and Rio were the outstanding talents. And that was in 96. So it must be something that has been done regularly by the NT for a long time. Very good experience for the young lads, imo.

Happens regularly, actually. I remember we had someone else training with the NT earlier this season.

Yeah, we're good.

Except I expressed my opinion in the first post and have answered questions and criticism to it in the latter posts. I've answered according to people's posts quoting me. If you see something you find illogical, quote it and I'll be more than glad to explain my point and try to reach a common view.

You know, you get very bitchy when someone talks about Luis and start making 'points' that you know are invalid and unfair. I've made upwards of 10 posts, some very long, in the past 3-4 pages explaining my opinion about Luis and engaged and replied to everyone's points, but I think everyone opinion is void and Jose's opinion is the only reason for what I said...fine. Sorry mate, but you're really no fun to talk to in this thread, so this is probably the last time I'll reply to you.