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"does not defend" its like everyone has been trained into a mindless to simply repeat the sentence irrespective of the argument. we won the bloody CL with him defending on the pitch. there is a difference in saying who is better for the team and then to simply ridicule a player who has given his everything for the club for the last 2 seasons and now has been treated like dog-crap. and that is exactly what has happened to mata here. no one including me is saying that hazard-oscar-willian is not working and is not better than any combo that jose has tried so far this season. but to say that mata was given a fair chance is simply crap. if he had been given a fair chance, he would have played against derby to show his worth for the team.

so etoo and schurrle missing one on ones and open goals against everton is mata's fault. mata is CAM who has to create. he has done that more than the person who has played almost twice his time. LOL indeed.

at the fucking least BUY HIM!!!!

he has created more chances in those games than oscar has in his entire season with us.

essien? he is a back up for rambo. thats a slap on rambo's face. right now we have 4 AMs for 3 spots - hazard, oscar, willian, schurrle 4 FIT AND CAPABLE CMs for 2 spots - rambo, matic, mikel, lamps 6 Defenders who would be playing a non-dead rubber match - JT, GC, iva, AC, azpi, DL players like essien, kalas, ake are not going to play a part for us until we have a serious squad shattering injury crisis. we have had WC players like deco, ballack sitting on the bench and that is what is required sometimes. one injury and it can literally shatter our season. god forbid if something happens to oscar for a long-term, who is going to play CAM? willian? hazard? with schurrle/salah on the wings. for winning PL u need to have quality in depth. one of silva/nasri/navas sits on the bench. one of dzeko/negredo/aguero sits on the bench. and that is what u need. plus whats the point of buying salah for 10-15mil. call back moses!!! if there is some agreement, then call back piazon and use the money for a striker like costa.

are u sure? wait for moment till we use the money on mata to buy salah.

37 mil.... yeeaaahhhh.. :blue scalf: :blue scalf: :blue scalf: now lets buy salah...

brilliant transfer. simply cant wait for it to happen. our reserves as so fucking talented that its just unreal. marin - the german messi kakuta - the french messi salah- the egyptian messi i mean lets buy insigne too, he is the italian messi. mata and kdb out salah in. un-fucking -real.

salah... hahahahahahaha... oh i just cant stop laughing. seriously. kdb and mata sold to buy salah. oh dear fucking god!!!

oh dint get the memo? nothing that mou does is wrong. what mou says and does and decides should be taken as the word of god.

dint u here the awesome reasoning of some people 1. we dont need quality in depth, we have ramires to play RW 2. juan mata dint fit jose's system. (but what if there are injuries) we can change the whole bloody system and start playing 4-3-3 3. mata is being sold to get points off city and arsenal. (we are worried about city and arsenal's one game against united but not our 16 league games). there have been some other tremendous reasonings. u just need to go thru this thread.

first things first, why would not utd form a team around him? what exactly in their campaign is going right that they would not want someone like mata to take charge. united at the moment seem like a beaten team, a bunch of beaten players. these were the very players who simply steam rolled thru the PL last season. all they need is a change in mentality and someone to give them a bit of a hope. look what has happened to arsenal. the same team (literally) which struggled to get top 4 is sitting right at the top of the table with 22 matches having been played. thats what a player like mata/ozil can do. we will have to agree to disagree here. these "trends" in football are shortlived. in the end you need a team which has its own "system", its own "personality and character". i dont fault mourinho for not using mata. mou wanted to build a team for long term and he is doing exactly that. he wants it to be "his team" and every player to play in a certain way. which is all good. but to say that mata cant be the person who we can build a team around is simply, to put it lightly NOT CORRECT. MATA is a quality player. i think we have forgotten the extent of his genius and what he has done for us. this guy was the same player that was our POTY when we won a CL, an FA cup and an EL. that is massive. no one who does not have "quality" can do that. you can talk about mourinho's system or the latest trend in football of pressing and winning the ball back, but the truth is that, there is no single mantra for success. and in the end, its all about success. how did chelsea win the CL, how did inter milan? you are right about mata being an old-school no.10, but you hugely underestimate his importance. mata is great at breaking down defences and creating chances. for a team like united who have rvp and rooney, that is similar to hitting gold. u can talk about pressing and the "trend" but in a league except for the top 5 teams, most just park the bus and that is where mata comes in.

Mata is a fan's favourite not only cos he is a good player but also cos he seems to be a great guy. i have no doubt that he would be a dressing room favourite too among all the players. the way we have and are treating him is just disgraceful. if players are supposed to be loyal to the club then the club is also supposed to be loyal to them. this move is going to back-fire very badly. u just know it.

good that the bid is just 35mil... we definitely wont sell him for anything lesser than 40mil. minimum.

oh really? so messi against us was a case of what??? confidence is an integral part of any sports personality's game. u take that away from a world class striker and we dont need to go far to know what he becomes.

moses, marin, piazon we have a lot of options. dont forget we have already recalled the french messi, KAKUTA. i think CL is ours. also while we sell off mata and kdb, we should give an extension to essien and hilario and ba and torres.

Juan Mata's created 30 chances this season, six more than Oscar. Considering the fact he hasn't even had half the game time, that's holy. now that's pure QUALITY. and this guy will be feeding to the likes of rooney and rvp.

55 assists and 33 goals in the last 2 years while playing in the PL itself. dont know how you can say that they are better for united than mata is. united under saf were playing thru wings, what moyes wants to do is still unknown. all your post is on the assumption that mata is not suited for united more than these "fast players" and i disagree. more than wing players, united right now need some1 who can give them control of the match and the ball. they got beat at it by hull, norwich and swansea (with all due respect).

no. the post was to say what our decision would be when their our tough and big fixtures in the future and a club like chelsea have to think of that since it is likely that we would reach the semi of fa cup and CL. or atleast we hope. where does the loaning out thing come in here?

i know, u r liking what you are reading in this thread, watching everyone go nuts over this. i just hope this is not a joke of some sort.

4 of those 5 players WILL play every important and big match. u dont want rambo playing a semi-final against spurs in fa cup, then semi against RM in CL and then play right wing against say sunderland. right now we have 4 players for those 3 positions. if u want to buy a left footed player who can play wide, less than what mata costs, should not have a problem sitting with a bench and also be of chelsea quality... name me a player.

i am not fucking kidding any1. i watched the game and hence i used "more effective" with oscar and willian and hence i used "we can be more flexible". try and read and understand others point of view too. oh wait must be hard for mr. i-am-the-best-chelsea-fan-ever. i dont have that authority but it seems so weird coming from some1 who goes about giving judgement on club's youth policy towards chalobah and club's finances like u actually have a part in it. hazard and oscar and JT and cech were used too in all the 3 PL defeats. everton defeat had jack-squat to do with mata. we dominated, could not convert one on ones and open goals (schurrle and etoo) and were conceded due to a defensive brain fart of luiz. newcastle, the team a a whole looked flat. your references to the games he started simply say what my point is, SQUAD DEPTH. so let me get this straight out, u want a system, which relies on the tremondous workrate of every player involved on the pitch to be continued to employed with absolutely no back-up and replacements? well seems fair to me. sell schurrle too.

how does it change with mata? we played a perfectly fine 4-2-3-1 against soton away. it was still 0-0 and far less effective than with oscar but the system was the same. plus with a good CDM like matic, we can become far more flexible with our system and to be honest i have not seen a single team who can play the same way with its first 11 and with its squad players. thats what we have with mata and get with mata. and i am sure i dont need to tell u about the QUALITY he brings to the team. i thought the squad players specially the ones like bertrand are kept for cup games. which he played really well!!! but u know what keep deluding yourself with 64minutes!!! somehow it makes u happy, i see. as far as i remember mata was rumored to be subject to a bid of 35mil in the summer (psg). i would even take a 30mil bid from psg than 40mil from united. the reality is that mata has started 11 PL games this season and has been a substitute for 2 of them in 22 games (also one of those substitution was against tottenham in which we played a massive part in turning the game around). so the reality is that mata has started half of our PL games, would be starting more regularly when we have CL nights, FA cup matches, replays and normal fixture congestion.

so we are going to drop a perfectly fit and fine system and change our game from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 cos we dont have what? thats right depth in the region. which makes perfect sense to me cos why do u need consistency when u can simply toy and change the system every game. right? and rambo on the wings seems delicious to me. we should definitely play him there against palace and stoke cos who needs flair players to break down defences when u can have makeshift AMs. 8 defenders. so that would mean kalas and ake have played a role in our season so far which would be???? oh wait!!!! or we can simply sell an asset who by the way might be just the thing to revive the dying embers of the most successful team in the PL history rather than using him for us, cos as far as i see it, the business end of the season is still pretty much left. add to that the fact that he would go for the same amount in the summer or probably 5mil less which could actually be used to buy a striker who would be available rather than a.simply depleting our own squad b. giving united a lifeline c.what can we do with this money right now? buy players we dont need!!! seems like a very good deal to me.

i dint object to KDB cos we had enough depth even without him. without mata we have schurrle ONLY. but since we have been down this road before, i am not going to go there again. somehow u feel 6 defenders for 4 positions and 4 AMs for 3 positions is adequate and that injuries and rotation is a mythological thing. mata has been used and he will be used. it weakens us cos it means that our first team players will have to play against derby and stoke in fa cup matches instead of keeping them fresh for PL and CL games.