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We have to be honest with ourselves, challenging for the title next season is not a reality at the present moment, unless Guus works his miracle and get us back in the top 4 this season. You can't have this type of season, and think we will realistically challenge for the title next season. Mou has set this club back a few years, and it will take a few years to get back to where we were. Look at United they are still trying to recover from Moyes fuck up, so will we for the next few years thanks to Mou Mouyes. Also realize that we are in risk of losing our best players, its going to be difficult keeping our good players if other clubs come after them. Secondly without CL football we have to settle for 2nd tier players, we aren't likely signing impact players. It is going to be a process, next season get back to top 4 then go from there.

Ok maybe not stupid But it is a very scarce way of looking at things; that you need those top managers. RDM won the CL and FA, in less then 4 months on the job. Carlo and Mou couldn't win us the CL with many years on the job, but they are better managers with better careers. I just believe that situation and fit should dictate your manager hiring not based on who has the best CV. If we take this approach we will be very successful. Barca was one example, i can name many examples of successful managers in successful situations. Honestly give me Jorge Sampaoli, and witness some of the best football Chelsea has ever played.

Seriously what a stupid notion that we have to hire Guardiola or Simeone to be successful. Geez who won the treble last season? Luis Enrique. Who was also a game away from a treble? Super Max Allergi. Who was the manager who won a treble with Bayern? not Guardiola, but it was Jump Heynckes. We can and we will be successful without the Guardiola, Simeone, or Mourinho's of the world.

Looking forward to Dortmund wining the Bundesliga again.

I feel no sympathy for any manager who loses the support of his players. That is on the manager. I feel that way about any leadership position in all walk of life. That is on you, not your subordinates.

Fantastic Top 4 is virtually guarantied, for us, CP, or Spurs. Make it happen Woodward

First thing let's remember this is Sunderland. But you can see the difference in attitude, not because they didn't want to play for Mourinho. The attitude now is let's win this game and attack, under Mou the attitude was let's not lose or mess up. Completely different, brings a different level of confidence.

I am so happy for the players.

I want him also sacked.

I am sorry I give no credit to dinosaurs like Allardyce, he is a horrible manager. I don't believe in resurrection of dinosaurs but managers like Allardyce has proven me wrong, they keep getting managerial jobs after being sacked again and again and again. Btw Allardyce is quite charismatic and likable imo, so him being fat can't be an issue.

I think top 4 is still possible. Extremely difficult? Yes.hopefully this season, will be a season of two halves; one really bad and one really good. At inter Leonardo started his reign with 27 points out of 30. We could use something like that. So it is possible.

I think Mourinho will manage Valencia, Jorge Mendes already controls the club, and I think Mourinho is a excellent fit for them. Valencia will strive with Mourinho underdog, and us vs the world mentality. I don't think he is a good fit for United, and if I was him I would avoid England. He has created a circus with his battle against the FA, media and refs. It is better to go somewhere else and start completely fresh. The similarity between Mourinho and Capello is quite uncanny. This season is almost replica of Capello second stint at Milan.

"Your brother sleeps with your wife"...A little dramatic don't you think?Why won't you just come out with it. Admit you don't like Cesc, he has been playing poorly, and you want him to be a traitor/rat/mole/snake so you can further vent your frusteration of Chelsea horrible season on him.

Yeah that is likely because Mourinho has pushed back this club 5-10 years, it will be a while before we compete again at the highest level. But hey at least we avoided regulation under Mou, so damage control.

Whoever is making these rants videos or planing on it needs to stop. It is incredibly embarrassing, looking like a complete fool. I feel embarrassed for these idiots. i litterally laugh my ass off every time I see a Arsenal, United, pool, etc rant videos on the other hand.

Ok I get what you are saying. Throughout his career Pochetino has taken things from Bielsa and crated his own managerial ways. AVB on the hand I can definitely see much more of a similarity. Sampaoli is pretty much almost replica of Bielsa, but more pragmatic some way. Sampaoli is definitely the manager I would love to see at Chelsea over anyone( pep included)

I am an avid follower of Bielsa, pochetino in noway is similar to Bielsa or comes from his school of thought.Jorge Sampaoli is the closest thing to Bielsa, but the pupil has surpassed the mentor. Mainly due to his personality, which allow him to be more flexible. Just want to point that out.

Short term yes, we need a manager who fits the players. Beyond this season the manager should bring players that fits what he wants. I don't know how the club operates at that level, i hope Roman has a counsel who makes the decision or something. We need someone like Hans- Joachim Watzke, Dortmund visionary CEO and great football mind. He got Dortmund out of bankruptcy, created a great scouting infrastructure, hired Klopp, then when he left he hired Tuchel to continue Dortmund success. Busby or SAF type managers are quite difficult in modern football, Barca foundation started when Cruyff arrived more then 30 years ago. That feat is also quite difficult. Yeah i agree about the pessimism toward our board.

Well he is not the CEO, he is a levels below that. But it doesn't change a thing. He is in charge of his players. Sure the board is to be blamed too, ultimately they hired Mourinho so his failing is their failing. Mourinho was very toxic in this whole situation so he had to go. Don't get me wrong i think there should be a change in hierarchy, like whos decision was it to hire mourinho and the direction the club has taken over the years. Usually in American sports the person who hires the coach/manager is also sacked when the coach is also sacked. They are both tied to their success and failures. I don't like that about Chelsea, managers get fired left and right but the person above him never take responsibility. What is the right direction? vaguely the right direction is getting a manager who is well suited to get the best out of his players. I can name a few managers, but i have no decision in this process. so pointless to throwout names.

You can't blame the players; just like you can't blame soldiers for revolting or underperforming due to a toxic military officer, or employees who are underperforming due to a toxic CEO. Its all the same; every solider, player, and employees wants to feel good about themselves, and that only happens when they are successful at their job. The manager always takes responsibility for their subordinates. Mourinho did not look like a leader to me this season at all. A leader takes responsibility for his team he never did in this situation. Blamed almost everyone players, media, ballboy, refs, medics, exterminators, etc. I was never a fan of his tenure, never wanted him back at Chelsea from the start. Great he is gone, the club can move in the right direction now.

It's weird we are a legit regulation threat, so we probably won't see many youngsters given a chance and build for the future. Disappointing to miss top 4 and not see youngsters development. Kinda the worst of the worst.

Oh I see the source of confusion. I have should been clear I meant La liga, I didn't think anyone would confuse EPL as the best league in the world.

You are right, but I could argue Cesc has looked more dire, but that is irrelevant. Neither are playing at a high level expected at Chelsea. Neither is Costa or Matic. I personally stay away from individual personal assessment, at times like this. We didn't sell KDB and Mata because of Oscar. It doesn't work like that. You are simply wishing you had either of them, since they are doing well and Oscar is not. It is more complicated then that. I remember in 2013 when we were linked with Schurrle, I felt we shouldn't sign him due to having KDB coming back from loan. I felt really good at the time about having Hazard, KDB, Oscar, Mata, and Moses for three position. But Schurrle was signed, then we signed Willian on the last day of the transfer window. You could argue Schurrle and Willian signing had a much bigger effect on KDB and Mata. Not to mention Mourinho, just not rating either of them. But I get it blaming Oscar is a nice, effective, and simplistic narrative since he is underperforming. You aren't going to fault Schurrle? He left a year ago. Certainly not Willian either, since he is performing well in most people view.

I don't care how loose your definition of "almost" is but 15 is nowhere near 30.

This guy is quality, banged in almost 30 goals in the best league in the world. Like everyone he would benefit from another manager.