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Spike

Politics & Stuff

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14 hours ago, Robchels said:

I do my own research, which usually means following the money. There is only so much time we can spare on hobbies, considering work and life in general, so we trust certain media sources more than others.

I find it very hard to believe there are groups out there with more money to spare and that exert more influence than the oil industry.

most of the green movement I see today, which some call radical, or about climate change, is merely about ensuring capitalism works. It’s about enforcing that the oil industry finally pays all the costs of its own business... it never has.

The science behind climate change is actually pretty obvious, I mean artificially releasing high quantities of co2, that earth took a very long time to collect, creates imbalances. 

regarding the solutions, then I’m very very skeptical.

As I said they are milking it for their benefit not ours. Just another scare tactic for the masses and at the same time rolling in huge amounts of cash.

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On 25/09/2019 at 4:27 PM, Atomiswave said:

I dont believe in it at all...just another scare tactic to suck up unseen amount of money.

I am surprised to hear you say this, I am a sceptic at heart in most things, but the science is very conclusive

I do agree that carbon exchange markets are a scam, it is just a license for the giant firms to buy the right to pollute

but the overall climate is very much being affected, be it anthropogenic in nature or partially to do with solar activity

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49 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am surprised to hear you say this, I am a sceptic at heart in most things, but the science is very conclusive

I do agree that carbon exchange markets are a scam, it is just a license for the giant firms to buy the right to pollute

but the overall climate is very much being affected, be it anthropogenic in nature or partially to do with solar activity

Yup science is pretty conclusive, just some capitalists think 'fuck it, all I want is profit/nationalism' over looking at the bigger picture.

The bigger picture being we're all on this fucking ball spinning in space, and we should look after it ! :cig:

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58 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am surprised to hear you say this, I am a sceptic at heart in most things, but the science is very conclusive

I do agree that carbon exchange markets are a scam, it is just a license for the giant firms to buy the right to pollute

but the overall climate is very much being affected, be it anthropogenic in nature or partially to do with solar activity

Theres plenty scinetist out there claming its BS, just search and see. Can we fuck it up, sure we can. Is it really as bad as they say? Not even close.

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5 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Theres plenty scinetist out there claming its BS, just search and see. Can we fuck it up, sure we can. Is it really as bad as they say? Not even close.

almost all of the climate deniers are paid shills for big industries

95% plus of climate change denialist groups are fronts for RW consortiums and fossil fuel firms

Exxon's own research for at least the last 50 years, which they suppressed and hid, showed the effects of the greenhouse gasses on global climate change

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13 minutes ago, Vesper said:

almost all of the climate deniers are paid shills for big industries

95% plus of climate change denialist groups are fronts for RW consortiums and fossil fuel firms

Exxon's own research for at least the last 50 years, which they suppressed and hid, showed the effects of the greenhouse gasses on global climate change

There are shills on both sides.....make no mistake about that mate. One look at the money involved and its righ there looking at us. Its getting milked to the max.

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3 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

There are shills on both sides.....make no mistake about that mate. One look at the money involved and its righ there looking at us. Its getting milked to the max.

Can’t agree with. That’s a false equivalence.

the science shows one thing, what we do with the information is really up to us. The oil industry money is clearly behind the denial side, which tells me everything I needed to know.

I just don’t the solutions are feasible or even enough, given that population growth is rarely discussed.

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34 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Can’t agree with. That’s a false equivalence.

the science shows one thing, what we do with the information is really up to us. The oil industry money is clearly behind the denial side, which tells me everything I needed to know.

I just don’t the solutions are feasible or even enough, given that population growth is rarely discussed.

There are shills on both sides in practically everything. Psy ops or whatever you wanna call it, control the information and yo control the masses. For instance those that want to get into flat earth are told by the media to look at flat earth society, but any true flat eathers know that that is a psyop to fool you, to get you hate FE and spew dis.information. In any case they are still milking it big time.......the World has no harmony and balance and its getting worse sadly. Yes growth in population is never talked about among many many other things that should.

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37 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

There are shills on both sides in practically everything.

While being a technically correct statement, it’s also where the false equivalence is.

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3 minutes ago, Robchels said:

While being a technically correct statement, it’s also where the false equivalence is.

Does it exist at some level, sure, is it as thretening and majour as they claim? Is it such a scare that they have to hoove up immense amount of cash? Not for me no.

It's hard to imagine, but thirty years ago no one spoke of climate change. In fact, no one spoke of fake news either. Yet today, the pair are uneasy bedfriends. Sometimes they are easy to decipher, but with climate change being so complicated it’s hard to cut through the barrage of misinformation. Whatever its not like you and me can do anything about it anyhow......good to hear your views though mate.

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31 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

to hoove up immense amount of cash

Fossil fuel companies already hoove up immense amount of cash. It is a matter of preference even if you don't believe in climate change. Cleaner environment or dirtier environment.

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17 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Fossil fuel companies already hoove up immense amount of cash. It is a matter of preference even if you don't believe in climate change. Cleaner environment or dirtier environment.

Its never as black and white as that.......

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The American Presidential race has went mad as ass

 

background:

Jacob Wohl’s Bogus Warren Accuser Exaggerated His Military Service Record

Kelvin Whelly claimed to be a Marine combat vet who took fire in Afghanistan. The Marines say that never happened.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-bogus-warren-accuser-exaggerated-his-military-service-record?ref=home

Blundering conservative operatives Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman attempted to smear another Trump foe with a press conference outside Burkman’s home on Thursday, this time alleging without any proof that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) is a “cougar” who hired a male escort.

The event had the trademarks of many of their previous, notoriously inept political stunts, including attempts to smear former Special Counsel Robert Mueller and 2020 presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg with fake sexual assault claims. Those earlier, obviously fake smear attempts had become Twitter punchlines, and made Wohl and Burkman into laughingstocks even among many of their allies on the right. 

But this time, the accuser they were touting was a retired Marine. 

Kelvin Whelly, a self-described Marine-turned-male-escort, stepped up to the podium alongside Wohl and Burkman. Without any proof, he claimed to have engaged in a series of increasingly ludicrous sex acts with Warren after meeting her on male escort site “Cowboys4Angels.” 

Wohl and Burkman repeatedly leaned on Whelly’s military service as a “combat veteran” in Afghanistan as proof that his allegation was credible.

“Are you laughing at our troops?” Burkman yelled at a crowd of hecklers who assembled on the street in front of Burkman’s Alexandria townhouse that has become a familiar setting for their stunts. “Do you think his service in Afghanistan is funny?”

 

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14 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

:lol:

This investigating corruption coming from Trump of all people is rich as fuck. If he's so worried about it, then why didn't he ask for investigation immediately after taking office, but instead right before elections. :lol: If Biden's children aren't off limits, then so aren't Trump's... and I don't think it'd be pretty for them. I'm sure Donald himself is a Russian puppet despite Mueller not being able to prove it, just means there wasn't enough evidence left to be found, but actions speak louder.

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