Tomo 21,751 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Apart from Sturridge, Jack Cork is the loanee that should be kept at all costs the most, we would be mad to let him go and here are my reasons as to why his inclusion in next year's squad is a MUST.1. Versatile He can play anywhere across the back and in centre midfield, versatility is key to any squad and Cork has always impressed in all positions out on loan. I honestly cannot see how he can't do the same for us.2. ExperiencedFor a 21 year old he has got tons of experience, 168 career games (11 of them in the premier) aswell as 12 caps for the under 21's, during his brief spell in the premier league last season he impressed, he set up Burnley's 2 goals on his debut at Villa Park and got rave reviews by the Clarets despite losing 5-2, he also showed signs of promise at the Emirates despite Burnley being on the losing side again but his stand out game came against Spurs when he dominated there midfield and helped Burnley to a impressive 4-2 win and Burnley fans have nothing but rave reviews when it comes to Cork.3. ConsistentHe will rarely blow us away with a 9/10 rating but will almost always get a 7 every match, he looks comfortable and never looks like making silly mistakes (which is more than can be said for our loanee at Wolves ). He could cover numerous positions if we get injuries and will hardly ever let us down if at-all.4. Home grown and Chelsea through and throughHe's been in the Chelsea set up since the age of 9, came through all our levels from then on and proved a very reliable player on loan moves elsewhere and is also homegrown and our homegrown list needs boosting as we only named 4 last August, common sense suggest Cork should be in our squad next season.Agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OReillyD36 311 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Unfortunatly mate your preaching to the choir, would love to see Cork in the squad next season. Just don't think the board see it that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Can't really judge him as I've seldom seen him play.The being said the Burnely faithful certainly love him, but is that a case of being a giant fish in a small pond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam Dunk 1,442 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 He is a very talented young player, but the problem lies in the fact that if he wanted to stay with us, he would have to be content with being on the bench (if that) week-in, week-out. He has been playing regularly for Burnley this season, the fans love him and he has settled in.Is he going to get regular football at Chelsea? Unlikely. As much as i'd like for him to stay at the club, it seems that it would be better for his career if he were to move permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 many would love to see Jack given a chance ,,,but ive finally given up hope of it happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 He wants to play for Burnley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 He wants to play for Burnley.and I hope he helps them back to the PL and has a great career .. same with Sinclair at Swansea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Why would we bring Cork when we can spend our money on Kaka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Why would we bring Cork when we can spend our money on Kaka? No disrespect to Jack Cork but he is hardly Kaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,557 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 He wants to play for Burnley.i think it`s more a case of his true love has treated him badly and hasn`t shown signs of wanting him, so he`s settling for a munter ..if his true love opened the door for him in the next few months he`ll drop the munter like a hot rock..but if not he`ll settle for the munter for now until something better comes along.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Apart from Sturridge, Jack Cork is the loanee that should be kept at all costs the most, we would be mad to let him go and here are my reasons as to why his inclusion in next year's squad is a MUST.Why not Michael Mancienne? He has played in first team and he was good whenever he played. Unfortunately for him, Guus had to leave and Carlo sent him on loan. This season he has been injured for lengthy periods. Last season he was good for Wolves. He could be our Beletti only that he is 11 years younger to Beletti.1. Versatile He can play anywhere across the back and in centre midfield, versatility is key to any squad and Cork has always impressed in all positions out on loan. I honestly cannot see how he can't do the same for us.More than Cork, Mancienne is much capable playing across the back and as a DM. Another advantage he has is he has already played in first team and has done well. 2. ExperiencedFor a 21 year old he has got tons of experience, 168 career games (11 of them in the premier) aswell as 12 caps for the under 21's, during his brief spell in the premier league last season he impressed, he set up Burnley's 2 goals on his debut at Villa Park and got rave reviews by the Clarets despite losing 5-2, he also showed signs of promise at the Emirates despite Burnley being on the losing side again but his stand out game came against Spurs when he dominated there midfield and helped Burnley to a impressive 4-2 win and Burnley fans have nothing but rave reviews when it comes to Cork.Mancienne is 23 and has more experience compared to Cork in the Premier League and overall (if im not wrong). Taking none away from Cork, He is a better midfielder than a defender and we are packed in the midfield except for a creative midfielder which Cork is not. He is more of a box to box.3. ConsistentHe will rarely blow us away with a 9/10 rating but will almost always get a 7 every match, he looks comfortable and never looks like making silly mistakes (which is more than can be said for our loanee at Wolves ). He could cover numerous positions if we get injuries and will hardly ever let us down if at-all.As I said, Mancienne put in a 7-8 on 10 performances whenever he played for us under Guss and he has been fantastic as a DM for Wolves last season.4. Home grown and Chelsea through and throughHe's been in the Chelsea set up since the age of 9, came through all our levels from then on and proved a very reliable player on loan moves elsewhere and is also homegrown and our homegrown list needs boosting as we only named 4 last August, common sense suggest Cork should be in our squad next season.Same as Mancienne.Agree?I disagree. Mancienne could be a much better Utility Player for us considering he has played for us before at RB and DM and has done well and has more PL experience than Cork. Cork although a better box to box MF is not a better defender compared to Mancienne. We need an Oshea type player and Mancienne suits the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,557 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 No disrespect to Jack Cork but he is hardly Kaka.at present for sure..maybe Cork will never be as good as Kaka is now, let alone was..but moving ahead in the future i`d say Cork would offer us more and save us 20mill or so..Kaka i don`t think has much left in the tank..Brazilian candles burn brightly but they don`t burn for long...is not many who have still been great after 30..only really Romario who was still world class after 30,Cafu and Roberto Carlos that i can think of..so by that way of thinking..as mad as it may initially sound..i think wanting to keep Cork rather than signing another "won it all before,only here to get my final big payday" types,makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Why not Michael Mancienne? He has played in first team and he was good whenever he played. Unfortunately for him, Guus had to leave and Carlo sent him on loan. This season he has been injured for lengthy periods. Last season he was good for Wolves. He could be our Beletti only that he is 11 years younger to Beletti.More than Cork, Mancienne is much capable playing across the back and as a DM. Another advantage he has is he has already played in first team and has done well. Mancienne is 23 and has more experience compared to Cork in the Premier League and overall (if im not wrong). Taking none away from Cork, He is a better midfielder than a defender and we are packed in the midfield except for a creative midfielder which Cork is not. He is more of a box to box.As I said, Mancienne put in a 7-8 on 10 performances whenever he played for us under Guss and he has been fantastic as a DM for Wolves last season.Same as Mancienne.I disagree. Mancienne could be a much better Utility Player for us considering he has played for us before at RB and DM and has done well and has more PL experience than Cork. Cork although a better box to box MF is not a better defender compared to Mancienne. We need an Oshea type player and Mancienne suits the bill.[/quoteexcellent analysis ,,would love to here your veiws on Sinclair ,,,Scott not Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson 358 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I vote no. He is at Burnley and is happy. We should let him stay for another year or so. Then maybe he can play in our squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I vote no. He is at Burnley and is happy. We should let him stay for another year or so. Then maybe he can play in our squad.sadly its most unlikely he will play for us again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 excellent analysis ,,would love to here your veiws on Sinclair ,,,Scott not FrankAll I can say about Sinclair is he like Mancienne fell victim to the managerial merry go round. Sinclair was preferred by Mou in 06-07 and he put in decent performances. The one that stands out was at Arsenal when we were down to 10 men, that was Sinclari's best game for us. Unfortunately, Mou was fired, Avram tried Sinclair and sent him on loan and then Avram was Fired and Scolari, then Guss, then Ancelotti. It is difficult for a youngster to make on impression on so many people. The one who preferred him had gone.He would have never started for us but could have been our impact player, our own Theo Walcott. The guy had pace which could have been put to use in the final quarter of the game. Mou liked him, so did I and it pains me to see him banging them in at Swansea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I vote no. He is at Burnley and is happy. We should let him stay for another year or so. Then maybe he can play in our squad.He has had enough of loan spells. And I am sure he will leave us this summer. Feel sad for him as he is a good player but we have enough box to box MF in Lamps, Essien and Ramirez. We are longing for a creative MF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 All I can say about Sinclair is he like Mancienne fell victim to the managerial merry go round. Sinclair was preferred by Mou in 06-07 and he put in decent performances. The one that stands out was at Arsenal when we were down to 10 men, that was Sinclari's best game for us. Unfortunately, Mou was fired, Avram tried Sinclair and sent him on loan and then Avram was Fired and Scolari, then Guss, then Ancelotti. It is difficult for a youngster to make on impression on so many people. The one who preferred him had gone.He would have never started for us but could have been our impact player, our own Theo Walcott. The guy had pace which could have been put to use in the final quarter of the game. Mou liked him, so did I and it pains me to see him banging them in at Swansea.you have echoed many of my long held views . He was a genuine talent we failed to help develop. Only time will tell how much we will live to regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 We should most definately be considering keeping Jack Cork around. As has been mentioned using him as a squad player would be easy to accomodate him and if he progressed further then even better for us. Jack has impressed everywhere he has been much like Ryan Bertrand and has taken each step up in his stride. Unfortunately i can't see it happening and i am not sure why. If young players (and i am including players up to 23) are not content to be squad players and push for regular places then we may as well shut down our academy now, at the same time if we are not willing to give our young players the chance to be squad players, then again what are we doing. Jack Cork has shown he can cut it in the Premier League, we don't need him to come in now and force anyone out the starting 11, we need a player who can be counted on when needed and hopefully continue to grow into a better player. If we do not even give him a chance in our first team then that is a real shame because how could we ever possibly know, it's not like he has not impressed on loan spells.Michael Mancinne on the other hand though for me i don't think is of a standard for our team, squad player or otherwise and i think moving on now would be best for him. Scott Sinclair was poorly managed and had some loan spells where he was not utilised. I am not at all suprised he is doing as well as he is because he is a quality player and he will play in the Premier League for someone soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NattyBlue 44 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I have to agree with Esk RE Mancienne. Wolves fans don't even like him either and as he's come back from injury he's back in their side again but his use as a DM last season was down to him not coping at CB imo. He held the club ransom essentially when he was nearly out of contract in 2008. 3 years down the line and he got that contract and didn't break into the side which his confidence and ego deserved by the talk of him. With Cork, just look at the poll in the thread, we would all like to see him in our team and he should be in our team. I've pretty much given up on our youth set-up though, we could have geniune world class players with us until 25 and they still wouldn't get a shout in our squad. And that's down to the fans, the board and the management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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